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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 2, 2011 1:42:32 GMT -5
Heck get Frank Miller involved with a Comedian series, watch the fun.
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Post by hassanchop on Dec 2, 2011 5:29:01 GMT -5
Pleeeeeeeeasse make this happen.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 2, 2011 5:31:27 GMT -5
Pleeeeeeeeasse make this happen. I love the line John can give you cancer then he'll turn into a car. |
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Dec 2, 2011 6:59:15 GMT -5
f*** this s*** so hard. Watchmen is one of the greatest pieces of literature of the 20th century. Not to pull out my pretentious card, but no it's not. Alan Moore is one of my favorite comic writers, and it is a revolutionary work in comics. As someone with a degree in Comparative Literature, however, it is not one of the greatest works of literature of the 20th century. Compare it to the short stories of Borges, Calvino's If On A Winter's Night a Traveller..., Nabokov's Pale Fire, the works of Flann O'Brien, etc. and it is clearly just a really good comic book. |
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Post by salsashark on Dec 2, 2011 10:25:03 GMT -5
f*** this s*** so hard. Watchmen is one of the greatest pieces of literature of the 20th century. Not to pull out my pretentious card, but no it's not. Alan Moore is one of my favorite comic writers, and it is a revolutionary work in comics. As someone with a degree in Comparative Literature, however, it is not one of the greatest works of literature of the 20th century. Compare it to the short stories of Borges, Calvino's If On A Winter's Night a Traveller..., Nabokov's Pale Fire, the works of Flann O'Brien, etc. and it is clearly just a really good comic book. I'm certainly not going to discount any of those other works (and there are dozens and dozens of others that would go on the list, too, especially considering it was a period so recent), but all details of context considered, Watchmen was still stunning. It was someone thinking outside of the boxes of a medium. Breaking ground like that in a new medium takes balls and is frankly more daring than writing a novel or a fine book of poetry (even if there are tons of brilliant books of those kinds and more being written every day). Not here to hate on JLB or Cormac McCarthy or any Nobel Laureates or whoever -- Moore just gets major pioneer points for attempting something like Watchmen and winning more by pulling it off. This conversation actually really makes me wish some of the people you had mentioned had tried their head at something like a comic book. (BTW, I read your whole post in Mike the Cleaner's voice and it actually sounded pretty good.) |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 2, 2011 11:26:22 GMT -5
there's rumours every few years that DC is going to do this and they never pan out. I'm not really concerned myself. it'd be hella stupid if they did.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 2, 2011 11:27:22 GMT -5
Dollar Bill: The Beginning
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 2, 2011 11:34:11 GMT -5
f*** this s*** so hard. Watchmen is one of the greatest pieces of literature of the 20th century. Not to pull out my pretentious card, but no it's not. Alan Moore is one of my favorite comic writers, and it is a revolutionary work in comics. As someone with a degree in Comparative Literature, however, it is not one of the greatest works of literature of the 20th century. Compare it to the short stories of Borges, Calvino's If On A Winter's Night a Traveller..., Nabokov's Pale Fire, the works of Flann O'Brien, etc. and it is clearly just a really good comic book. y'know what? that's a load of bull. I'm a literature major, too, I've read all those books and none of them had the cultural resonance that Watchmen did. but no, "it's a comic book and it wasn't written by some depressed russian guy, so let's just throw it in the comic book ghetto along with Maus, Astro City and Lee/Kirby's Fantastic Four". |
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Post by Dat Dude on Dec 2, 2011 13:27:52 GMT -5
there's rumours every few years that DC is going to do this and they never pan out. I'm not really concerned myself. it'd be hella stupid if they did. This |
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Post by Bishblast on Dec 2, 2011 13:31:00 GMT -5
I just got a little mad reading that.
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Post by adouble on Dec 2, 2011 13:41:22 GMT -5
It's like they're actively trying to make Alan Moore dynamite DC's offices.
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Post by baronmordo on Dec 2, 2011 14:47:17 GMT -5
At this point I'd be OK with that. This absolutely SHITTY revamp and now this? Dan DiDio must die, so that DC can live.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 2, 2011 16:05:40 GMT -5
Dollar Bill: The Beginning I would buy the shit out of that book |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 2, 2011 16:08:38 GMT -5
Not to pull out my pretentious card, but no it's not. Alan Moore is one of my favorite comic writers, and it is a revolutionary work in comics. As someone with a degree in Comparative Literature, however, it is not one of the greatest works of literature of the 20th century. Compare it to the short stories of Borges, Calvino's If On A Winter's Night a Traveller..., Nabokov's Pale Fire, the works of Flann O'Brien, etc. and it is clearly just a really good comic book. y'know what? that's a load of bull. I'm a literature major, too, I've read all those books and none of them had the cultural resonance that Watchmen did. but no, "it's a comic book and it wasn't written by some depressed russian guy, so let's just throw it in the comic book ghetto along with Maus, Astro City and Lee/Kirby's Fantastic Four". Not to mention that the Watchmen has won awards such as being one of the"All-TIME 100 Greatest Novels" from Time magazine in 2005 Was number 13 on top 25 novels written in the past 25 years in 2008. Maybe calling it "the greatest piece of literature of the 20th century" is hyperbole but it is generally recognized as one of the best novels ever written. |
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Post by baronmordo on Dec 2, 2011 18:44:26 GMT -5
That's in part because of its depth. For being only 12 issues, it manages to build a very big fictional universe very quickly and very well.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 2, 2011 19:08:47 GMT -5
You know, thinking about this, I have to ask, what is DC expecting to get out of this at this point? Ok, money yeah, but I don't think they're gonna make as much as they think they will. Not enough atleast to offset the voodoo curse that I'm sure Alan Moore is already practicing to put on whoever is involved with this.
I could understand doing this 2 years ago to tie into the movie. But the movie has come and gone, and while a moderate success, was hardly a blockbuster hit. Any hype or chatter that the movie caused about the original graphic novel has long since passed. I can't see this having any appeal to people who don't regularly read comics already.
As for regular comic book fans, I'm sure it'll get people talking, but I also imagine there are gonna be people avoiding this just on the principle of it (not to sound pretentious but I'm gonna be one).
I wouldn't be surprised if, sales-wise, this turns into one of the biggest disappointments in comic book history.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Dec 2, 2011 23:18:53 GMT -5
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Post by Goldenbane on Dec 2, 2011 23:26:28 GMT -5
They sorta did make a prequel to Watchmen already. It was called "Who Watches the Watchmen" and was a supplement for the Mayfair DC RPG.
(Ok, Ok, It doesn't count...still it was a good book...written by Alan Moore and everything! DC RPG/Blood Of Heroes is probably one of the best super hero rpgs you can find.)
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Post by JDviant on Dec 3, 2011 6:39:23 GMT -5
 Not to mention that the Watchmen has won awards such as being one of the"All-TIME 100 Greatest Novels" from Time magazine in 2005 Was number 13 on top 25 novels written in the past 25 years in 2008. Maybe calling it "the greatest piece of literature of the 20th century" is hyperbole but it is generally recognized as one of the best novels ever written. Wasn't TIME the same company, in 2003, that said 1602 was the WORST comic to come out? As someone who reads comics, can you honestly say that there wasn't a worse comic that year? I'm not even a Gaimen fan, but TIME only pays attention to to a sliver of the comics industry so I can't take it too seriously. Go look at what was actually being published that year, how is 1602 better then Marville or the Uncanny X-Men. And there's probably a lot more bad books i'm forgetting since it was 10 years ago, but then again I'm not a giant magazine at the time so TIME has no real excuse. Later, they did admit "he didn't actually mean it was the worst comic of the year", so they just felt like stamping a label on something without caring? Awesome TIME, thanks. Good people to trust for thoughts on comics. |
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Post by JDviant on Dec 3, 2011 6:51:05 GMT -5
The comic industry needs to realize that real value comes in making and establishing new characters, not rehashing and ruining stuff that's already been solidified. Thats not what people want. Look at the top 300 comics from October (don't know if November is out yet). The first character/book not 10 years old to make the list is Walking Dead, at 78. I think there's two other books like that total in the top 100. Value's great, but it sure as heck doesn't keep your book published or a roof over most creators head. And I imagine if anything can be expanded on its the world where there's only been 12 issues told total. Watchmen is great but its pretty narrow considering there's all the rest of history and existence not even close to being mentioned in it. |
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