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Post by Cronant on Sept 30, 2011 21:50:12 GMT -5
Not exactly but losses are going to hurt Kelly alot more than Beth. Its like HHH/Batista. Beth is the already established credible heel, and Kelly is the one thats new to the title scene. Then if Beth is the experienced dominant one then why would a loss to her bury Kelly? The same way an experienced main eventer can bury an up and comer. Make them look like they don't belong. All Kelly/Beth bias aside that's never been the point of the feud.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 21:50:59 GMT -5
I can just imagine Vince checking out this thread.
Vince: "Holy s***, people actually pay attention to the divas division and are trying to make sense of it! Hunter, Steph, come here and check this out. Fascinating."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 21:52:17 GMT -5
Beginning to think? This entire thing has always been about putting over the face. They aren't going to bury Kelly. That wouldn't even make sense. Kelly losing once would bury Kelly but Beth losing three title matches in a row is just fine? Kelly will be buried pretty badly if she loses Sunday. On Raw, she lost clean to Beth, and on Smackdown, she was forced to cry as the announcers already proclaimed victory for Beth on Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 21:56:58 GMT -5
I can just imagine Vince checking out this thread. Vince: "Holy s***, people actually pay attention to the divas division and are trying to make sense of it! Hunter, Steph, come here and check this out. Fascinating." Yeah, I'm always kinda surprised at the amount of Diva discussion on here considering the lack of heat during their matches and the way the ratings breakdowns typically show people changing the channel during Divas segments. In fact, if I remember the report correctly, the Diva tag match on Raw a few nights ago not only lost viewers but lost the most viewers of any segment on the show.
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Post by YeahYeahYeahYeahYeah on Sept 30, 2011 22:06:42 GMT -5
I wish Kelly would just go away. I really do. It's never gonna happen, but it's not going to stop me from wishing.
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Post by FailedGimmick on Sept 30, 2011 22:13:00 GMT -5
I have said since Beth's Heel turn that if she were to win the title, it should happen at Hell In A Cell at the earliest.
I kinda got the feeling they were going for a HHH/Batista like thing (I remember a lot of posters on this board way back when thinking Batista had no chance the second and third PPVs), however, I do think that their match should have some sort of gimmick element to it.
That said, while I never saw Kelly as the second coming of Trish, she has showed me a lot more than I thought she had in her, and has provided the longest single reign in two years, which the championship desperately needed.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 30, 2011 22:13:50 GMT -5
I can just imagine Vince checking out this thread. Vince: "Holy s***, people actually pay attention to the divas division and are trying to make sense of it! Hunter, Steph, come here and check this out. Fascinating." Yeah, I'm always kinda surprised at the amount of Diva discussion on here considering the lack of heat during their matches and the way the ratings breakdowns typically show people changing the channel during Divas segments. In fact, if I remember the report correctly, the Diva tag match on Raw a few nights ago not only lost viewers but lost the most viewers of any segment on the show. That's the thing. I'm sure people want to care about the Divas division, but they just need a signal from WWE that it's going to be worth their time. I mean, look how the crowd was reacting to Kharma. Finally, it looked like something was going in the Divas division, and they started getting interested. It's a shame from a business perspective that she got pregnant, though.
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Post by BigWill on Sept 30, 2011 22:52:18 GMT -5
Kelly losing once would bury Kelly but Beth losing three title matches in a row is just fine? Kelly will be buried pretty badly if she loses Sunday. On Raw, she lost clean to Beth, and on Smackdown, she was forced to cry as the announcers already proclaimed victory for Beth on Sunday. Kelly Kelly would not be "buried" (people need to stop throwing this word around) if she loses. Kelly Kelly is just as over now as when she was jobbing to Laycool on Smackdown, so I doubt she'd lose any heat just because she loses one match. And, for the storyline to have any purpose Kelly Kelly has to lose the title sometime, either to Natalya or Beth. Besides Kelly Kelly works best as the spunky underdog, that occasionally pulls out fluke wins. No one buys her has a dominant diva that can run through the entire division.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 22:52:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm always kinda surprised at the amount of Diva discussion on here considering the lack of heat during their matches and the way the ratings breakdowns typically show people changing the channel during Divas segments. In fact, if I remember the report correctly, the Diva tag match on Raw a few nights ago not only lost viewers but lost the most viewers of any segment on the show. That's the thing. I'm sure people want to care about the Divas division, but they just need a signal from WWE that it's going to be worth their time. I mean, look how the crowd was reacting to Kharma. Finally, it looked like something was going in the Divas division, and they started getting interested. It's a shame from a business perspective that she got pregnant, though. Well, actually, I meant it merely in the sense that in most instances, I find the amount of interest the board shows in a wrestler to be not all that much different than the amount of interest the live crowds show in that same wrestler. With the Divas, if I just knew them from TV, I would think almost nobody anywhere cared at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 23:13:12 GMT -5
Kelly will be buried pretty badly if she loses Sunday. On Raw, she lost clean to Beth, and on Smackdown, she was forced to cry as the announcers already proclaimed victory for Beth on Sunday. Kelly Kelly would not be "buried" (people need to stop throwing this word around) if she loses. Kelly Kelly is no more over now than when she was jobbing to Laycool on Smackdown, so I doubt she'd lose any heat just because she loses one match. And, for the storyline to have any purpose Kelly Kelly has to lose the title sometime, either to Natalya or Beth. Besides Kelly Kelly works best as the spunky underdog, that occasionally pulls out fluke wins. No one buys her has a dominant diva that can run through the entire division. Her losing Sunday would have been fine before tonight. Now, it would be like if Mickie James had lost to Michelle McCool at last year's Royal Rumble after doing that segment on Smackdown a week eariler where Laycool and Beth left her in the ring crying. Don't book your popular face to cry and be completely humiliated unless the plan is for them to win big time.
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Post by thecrocksays on Sept 30, 2011 23:42:35 GMT -5
Kelly's got to drop it sooner or later. Even if Beth squashes her, it doesn't mean she's been buried at all. If they are building Kelly up as the new Trish, think back to when Trish was feuding with Jazz and Victoria. They beat her many, many times, only for Trish to get the belt back in the end. Most of her title reigns only lasted a few months. That's how she racked up six reigns in just over three years. So if Kelly does lose this Sunday, she'll get her second reign by the end of 2011 (or the Rumble at the latest)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 0:01:11 GMT -5
Kelly's got to drop it sooner or later. Even if Beth squashes her, it doesn't mean she's been buried at all. If they are building Kelly up as the new Trish, think back to when Trish was feuding with Jazz and Victoria. They beat her many, many times, only for Trish to get the belt back in the end. Most of her title reigns only lasted a few months. That's how she racked up six reigns in just over three years. So if Kelly does lose this Sunday, she'll get her second reign by the end of 2011 (or the Rumble at the latest) I don't think they ever did a segment where a heel locked Trish in a hold and mocked her as Trish cried her eyes out while the announcers said Trish had no chance at the upcoming PPV. And if they did, I would hope they had the good sense to not do it to set up Trish losing at said PPV.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 1, 2011 0:04:34 GMT -5
Kelly Kelly would not be "buried" (people need to stop throwing this word around) if she loses. Kelly Kelly is no more over now than when she was jobbing to Laycool on Smackdown, so I doubt she'd lose any heat just because she loses one match. And, for the storyline to have any purpose Kelly Kelly has to lose the title sometime, either to Natalya or Beth. Besides Kelly Kelly works best as the spunky underdog, that occasionally pulls out fluke wins. No one buys her has a dominant diva that can run through the entire division. Her losing Sunday would have been fine before tonight. Now, it would be like if Mickie James had lost to Michelle McCool at last year's Royal Rumble after doing that segment on Smackdown a week earlier where Laycool and Beth left her in the ring crying. Don't book your popular face to cry and be completely humiliated unless the plan is for them to win big time. Getting beat down, then losing the title isn't bad booking. Actually it's logical booking, and won't affect Kelly Kelly's popularity. Look at the Mark Henry/Orton storyline. Henry's beaten down Orton every week for about a month before pinning him clean for the title. And did Orton get buried? No, he's still the most over superstar on Smackdown by far. And in the outcome you also managed to build up a credible heel that managed to get pretty over himself. If the WWE worries too much about protecting Kelly Kelly, you not only get fans who become tired of her stale character, but apathetic to the rest of the division because the divas are constantly jobbing to her.
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Post by thecrocksays on Oct 1, 2011 0:14:08 GMT -5
Kelly's got to drop it sooner or later. Even if Beth squashes her, it doesn't mean she's been buried at all. If they are building Kelly up as the new Trish, think back to when Trish was feuding with Jazz and Victoria. They beat her many, many times, only for Trish to get the belt back in the end. Most of her title reigns only lasted a few months. That's how she racked up six reigns in just over three years. So if Kelly does lose this Sunday, she'll get her second reign by the end of 2011 (or the Rumble at the latest) I don't think they ever did a segment where a heel locked Trish in a hold and mocked her as Trish cried her eyes out while the announcers said Trish had no chance at the upcoming PPV. And if they did, I would hope they had the good sense to not do it to set up Trish losing at said PPV. Like I said, wait for the feud to end. Kelly wins the belt back from Beth at one of the bigger shows (like Rumble or Mania). That's the likely ending.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 0:50:18 GMT -5
Her losing Sunday would have been fine before tonight. Now, it would be like if Mickie James had lost to Michelle McCool at last year's Royal Rumble after doing that segment on Smackdown a week earlier where Laycool and Beth left her in the ring crying. Don't book your popular face to cry and be completely humiliated unless the plan is for them to win big time. Getting beat down, then losing the title isn't bad booking. Actually it's logical booking, and won't affect Kelly Kelly's popularity. Look at the Mark Henry/Orton storyline. Henry's beaten down Orton every week for about a month before pinning him clean for the title. And did Orton get buried? No, he's still the most over superstar on Smackdown by far. And in the outcome you also managed to build up a credible heel that managed to get pretty over himself. If the WWE worries too much about protecting Kelly Kelly, you not only get fans who become tired of her stale character, but apathetic to the rest of the division because the divas are constantly jobbing to her. That would be an apt comparison had Henry made Orton cry on the Smackdown before Night of Champions. Or if Kelly had popped back up tonight after the beat down and cleared the ring of Beth like Orton did to Henry at the end of the show. But that didn't happen. What happened was more like the Mickie-Michelle instance I mentioned. The babyface was left in the ring humiliated and crying by the heels. Period. If you want the heel to win the upcoming match, just book anything that doesn't involve the babyface crying like a pathetic little punk.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 0:58:56 GMT -5
I don't think they ever did a segment where a heel locked Trish in a hold and mocked her as Trish cried her eyes out while the announcers said Trish had no chance at the upcoming PPV. And if they did, I would hope they had the good sense to not do it to set up Trish losing at said PPV. Like I said, wait for the feud to end. Kelly wins the belt back from Beth at one of the bigger shows (like Rumble or Mania). That's the likely ending. Good God, I would hope this feud is long over by then. This is already the third straight PPV with this match.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Oct 1, 2011 1:49:03 GMT -5
Im just sick of seeing Kelly's stupid grin and how she holds the belt over her head. It just really freakin annoys me.
I hope Beth suplexes Kelly, puts her in the camel clutch, breaks her f***ing back, and makes her humb....
oh you know it
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Post by Cela on Oct 1, 2011 2:19:23 GMT -5
Darnit....the whole Kharma drama really did mess up the Divas matches didn't it? (Such as they are) Unprofessional, just... unprofessional.
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Post by t3hmaniac on Oct 1, 2011 2:26:16 GMT -5
Kelly losing once would bury Kelly but Beth losing three title matches in a row is just fine? Not exactly but losses are going to hurt Kelly alot more than Beth. Its like HHH/Batista. Beth is the already established credible heel, and Kelly is the one thats new to the title scene. Only Everyone hates Kelly and her loss would be no big deal, no-one's buying her as a credible threat to Beth and is an objectively horrible wrestler. Batista for all his faults could run the god-damned ropes
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 1, 2011 2:36:57 GMT -5
You really are overblowing this. She wasn't crying because Beth and Natalya made fun of her and called her fat. She was crying because she was in pain from the friggin' Sharpshooter! How is being jumped from behind and double teamed humiliate Kelly in any way? How does it make her look pathetic to be on the receiving end of a two-on-one beating from probably the two strongest divas they have? Yeah, Kelly is probably gonna win after that but it's not gonna destroy her career if she doesn't.
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