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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 3:31:11 GMT -5
That would be an apt comparison had Henry made Orton cry on the Smackdown before Night of Champions. Or if Kelly had popped back up tonight after the beat down and cleared the ring of Beth like Orton did to Henry at the end of the show. But that didn't happen. What happened was more like the Mickie-Michelle instance I mentioned. The babyface was left in the ring humiliated and crying by the heels. Period. If you want the heel to win the upcoming match, just book anything that doesn't involve the babyface crying like a pathetic little punk. You really are overblowing this. She wasn't crying because Beth and Natalya made fun of her and called her fat. She was crying because she was in pain from the friggin' Sharpshooter! How is being jumped from behind and double teamed humiliate Kelly in any way? How does it make her look pathetic to be on the receiving end of a two-on-one beating from probably the two strongest divas they have? Who cares why she was crying? She was still crying in the ring like a pathetic bitch as Beth mocked her as undeserving and the announcers talked about how she is going to lose. I don't really see how proving them right by losing the title to Beth on Sunday would benefit her, which I had assumed was the point of this whole thing.
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Post by Totorob101 on Oct 1, 2011 3:54:25 GMT -5
If Beth loses yet again to Kelly,surely thats the end of the road for her in terms of getting title shots? Even Natayla hasnt been given the amount of chances she has.I think Kelly will retain the title,and move on to feuding with the Bellas.I dont see the Divas of doom lasting to long really.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 1, 2011 3:56:29 GMT -5
You really are overblowing this. She wasn't crying because Beth and Natalya made fun of her and called her fat. She was crying because she was in pain from the friggin' Sharpshooter! How is being jumped from behind and double teamed humiliate Kelly in any way? How does it make her look pathetic to be on the receiving end of a two-on-one beating from probably the two strongest divas they have? Who cares why she was crying? She was still crying in the ring like a pathetic bitch as Beth mocked her as undeserving and the announcers talked about how she is going to lose. I don't really see how proving them right by losing the title to Beth on Sunday would benefit her, which I had assumed was the point of this whole thing. You were comparing it to the Mickie/Michelle thing. You really don't understand the difference between bursting into tears because mean girls said nasty things and crying because you're being physically tortured? Come on. I ask again. How is being jumped from behind and double teamed humiliate Kelly in any way? How does it make her look pathetic to be on the receiving end of a two-on-one beating from probably the two strongest divas they have? Also the part you conveniently clipped out. Yeah, Kelly is probably gonna win after that but it's not gonna destroy her career if she doesn't.
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Post by bathory on Oct 1, 2011 3:59:15 GMT -5
From a storyline perspective, ignoring who is facing who, if the face gets humilated by the heel he usually wins in the end ( unless he/she is facing Triple H) . I personally can't rationally expect Beth to win anymore due to that just because she's a better wrestler.
I don't see the storyline ending yet though, the point of the DOD is for one of them to get a reign, a dominant one at that to maximize their effects since it fits their characters perfectly instead of just fluking around like the Bellas, McCool or other former heel champions. So basically Natalya is going to win the title either at some random super raw or at the next PPV past HIAC and will keep the title for a while most likely.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Oct 1, 2011 4:11:13 GMT -5
Honestly, I can't see any good coming out of this match. If Kelly wins, then Beth's credibility is pretty much shot to hell. But if Beth wins, and here's the part I think is missing in this thread, it took her three tries to do it! Not to mention it'll probably be with Natalya's help, so Beth's credibility would be just as shot, she'd just be champion; an when you consider how Christian and Del Rio were booked this year, as well as Sheamus and Swagger's world title reigns, I don't know what's worse. It's just all bad.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Oct 1, 2011 4:29:15 GMT -5
They've booked themselves into a corner. If Beth doesn't lose then it's clear she just can't beat Kelly and if she does win then it'll be because she and Natty attacked Kelly the week before the PPV so she wasn't good enough to go one on one with her.
It's simple; Kelly wins at Summerslam, Beth wins at NOC and takes the title because she figured out Kellys tactics and then at HIAC either of them can win without the other looking weak.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Oct 1, 2011 4:46:37 GMT -5
This storyline has been ridiculous, because anyone who has watched both Beth and Kelly in the WWE knows tthat you cant realistically tell us that Kelly is better. She has a hokey offesne full of slaps, hair pulling and screaming, she cannot cut a promo to save her life, she just makes being hot boring.
The problem with comparing this to feuds like HHH/Batista is that Batista was imposing and very good at being a power wrestler. His offense looked freaking sick. Kelly's? Eh..........not so much. I cant buy someone as a threat if i cant buy the moves that they use.
Beth needs to win on Sunday. Not to avoid being BERRIED!!11 but because having Kelly as the figurehead of the Divas division makes the Divas division look awful.
And if Kelly is as massively over as people claim, she wont be hurt much by the losses. And its her job to cut a promo getting people to believe she wants a rematch if she does lose. Beth cut a fantastic and rather evil promo on Smackdown, and did a great job on commentary, as did Natalya a week ago as well. Theyve sold the feud. If Kelly really is so Smart, Sexy and Powerful as they want us to believe, then have her show it, than just protecting her all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 7:40:23 GMT -5
I expect Kelly to win with yet another rollup variation of some sort.
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Post by thecrocksays on Oct 1, 2011 11:15:20 GMT -5
If Beth loses clean you might as well release her. But if they want to make Kelly the centerpiece... who knows.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Oct 1, 2011 11:23:34 GMT -5
I must give kudos to WWE because now they've somehow managed a way to make this a match where the loser will look bad no matter who it is. Either Beth loses three straight title matches or Kelly loses the title after only getting only fluke victories over Beth, after losing clean on Raw, after the announcers said she's going to lose, and after being forced to cry on national TV. I agree with this sentiment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 11:29:14 GMT -5
People get put in submission holds all the time without blubbering and looking that pathetic, so I don't see how it matters why she was crying her eyes out. And I didn't acknowledge your other point because they didn't just attack her and leave. Had Beth simply Glam Slammed her, promised victory on Sunday, and left, that would have been fine. Instead, Kelly was booked to look incredibly pathetic and weak-looking, screaming and crying as the announcers already proclaimed her the loser on Sunday. She now needs to win or at least do something really big to Beth after the loss to retain anything she may gotten out of this feud when, previously, she could have lost the title on Sunday and been fine. Yeah, Kelly is probably gonna win after that but it's not gonna destroy her career if she doesn't. It's not going to destroy her career, but if she loses the title now and doesn't do something huge to make up for it like injuring Beth somehow or winning the blowoff down the road in 30 seconds, she will have gained nothing from this. All she has over Beth right now are two fluke victories that will be forgotten as long as she doesn't do anything bigger than that. Should Kelly win on Sunday, though, this segment was actually a good idea because it puts her over and will soften the blow for Beth taking a third loss. I think Beth can now afford a third loss much more than she could have before this week as she kicked Kelly's ass twice and wrote off her previous losses as meaningless flukes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 11:30:41 GMT -5
Honestly, I think a pair of key things in this feud no one's noticing are Kelly's crying took place on SmackDown where no one saw it, while unless you're the champion the divas don't really have much credibility to lose in the eyes of the average fan so they probably won't really care if Phoenix loses again.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 1, 2011 11:52:17 GMT -5
Honestly, I think a pair of key things in this feud no one's noticing are Kelly's crying took place on SmackDown where no one saw it, while unless you're the champion the divas don't really have much credibility to lose in the eyes of the average fan so they probably won't really care if Phoenix loses again. Where do people get the "no one watches Smackdown" line from? The show may not be as popular as Raw, but they're still pulling over 3 million viewers, not including people who DVR. That's hardly no one. Also I wouldn't be surprised if Phoenix had just as many fans as Kelly Kelly. She was getting plenty of cheers when the DoD first formed.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Oct 1, 2011 12:06:58 GMT -5
They got people talking about a diva's match though...gotta give em credit there.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 1, 2011 12:08:03 GMT -5
Honestly, I can't see any good coming out of this match. If Kelly wins, then Beth's credibility is pretty much shot to hell. But if Beth wins, and here's the part I think is missing in this thread, it took her three tries to do it! Not to mention it'll probably be with Natalya's help, so Beth's credibility would be just as shot, she'd just be champion; an when you consider how Christian and Del Rio were booked this year, as well as Sheamus and Swagger's world title reigns, I don't know what's worse. It's just all bad. WWE does not judge credibility the way you judge crediblity. That should be obvious by now. Kelly's won with to rollups. This time she'll goe for the reverse sunset flip Beth will roll though enough to hook her arms and hit the Glam slam for the win
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 13:04:49 GMT -5
I think Kelly can afford to lose tomorrow as long as the feud continues and she eventually comes out on top in the end. She's a babyface being bullied by two heels who are larger than her so you know the storyline will only end one way. Unless your names Michelle McCool, heel divas don't win feuds in WWE. Probably the best scenario would be for Beth to win tomorrow but have the announcers play up how much of a fight Kelly put up despite losing. Then have Kelly regain the title at Survivor Series in a triple threat when Beth and Natalya have some kind of miscommunication which leads to them breaking up and feuding with each other. Not exactly but losses are going to hurt Kelly alot more than Beth. Its like HHH/Batista. Beth is the already established credible heel, and Kelly is the one thats new to the title scene. Only Everyone hates Kelly and her loss would be no big deal, no-one's buying her as a credible threat to Beth and is an objectively horrible wrestler. Everyone hates Kelly? What show are you watching? I'm pretty sure she's the only babyface diva anyone in the arenas give a damn about each week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 13:28:22 GMT -5
They got people talking about a diva's match though...gotta give em credit there. Yeah, but it's just message board talk. The Divas segments generally lose viewers and the live audiences are silent much more often than not, so the level of interest seen on this board is kind of misleading.
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Post by fizzeewater on Oct 1, 2011 13:38:58 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Kelly wins via rollup
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Oct 1, 2011 14:03:22 GMT -5
Whichever way the WWE goes in this feud, I do not care. It's just the divas division, which I do not think a lot of people give a damn. Plus, the fact Kelly is the centerfold of the division, despite how "over" she is, (face it she is not that over, the pops she gets are barely noticeable) I think it is time to give up on that.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Oct 1, 2011 14:33:07 GMT -5
The obvious plan was to make Kelly look legitimate by putting her over a strong heel. Unfortunately, all of her matches are being won by fluke victories which are the result of the heel being overconfident. Kelly still looks illegitimate, but the announcers keep putting her over as "the real deal." Meanwhile your top heel Diva makes the same mistake over and over and continually looks like a buffoon. And I'll just use this space to make the usual argument that Kelly should be no where near the title. She has a definite role to play in the company as a cover-girl and ambassador. She should absolutely be in mixed tag matches and multi-Diva tags. She should be used frequently to help get a lower card guy over. Basically, she should be used more like Torrie Wilson and less like Trish Stratus. I'd prefer Eve as the top Diva babyface at this point because she's at least somewhat competent. Too bad she's also dull as hell.
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