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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 6, 2012 21:01:09 GMT -5
UGH.
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 6, 2012 21:04:26 GMT -5
Which will win out? Dull, bland, or boring? Either way, there will be a whole lot of "stiff" kicking involved. And no promos worth a damn. It says something when your strongest mic presence in a feud is Roderick Strong. And what it says is NOT good. Clearly this trio has more presence and entertainment/storytelling value than Joe/Punk/Homicide and Aries/Nigel/Danielson. Who said it does? I mean, what point exactly are you trying to make here? ROH should close it's doors because their talent has gotten older, retired, or snatched up by WWE and made into World Champions?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 6, 2012 21:16:22 GMT -5
Clearly this trio has more presence and entertainment/storytelling value than Joe/Punk/Homicide and Aries/Nigel/Danielson. Who said it does? I mean, what point exactly are you trying to make here? ROH should close it's doors because their talent has gotten older, retired, or snatched up by WWE and made into World Champions? No, but they could work to make their talent more well rounded. Edwards, Richards, and Strong are all good wrestlers, but they're also functionally indistinguishable from each other.
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 6, 2012 21:27:59 GMT -5
Which is why Kevin Steen seems almost a lock to be the next World Champion and Michael Elgin, Jay Lethal, and Adam Cole are all being elevated to main event status.
I thought people were past snide comments about "vanilla midgets" or "bland little guys with no personality" after the work put in by the work of the Chris Benoit's and Dean Malenko's in the 90's, but I guess not. If Davey and Eddie and Roddy are not your cup of tea, fine. But all of chiapet22's are dedicated to being an anti-ROH troll and I don't get the mindset of those people. Like I would say to Gabe Sapolsky, I would suggest building a bridge and getting over those issues because it's much easier to forget ROH exists than to put effort into watching it and commenting on how much you hate it.
And for what it's worth, I would agree that there are certainly elements of Jim Cornette's 'new' ROH that I don't like, but I don't think it's fair to blame the wrestlers.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 6, 2012 21:35:09 GMT -5
Which is why Kevin Steen seems almost a lock to be the next World Champion and Michael Elgin, Jay Lethal, and Adam Cole are all being elevated to main event status. I thought people were past snide comments about "vanilla midgets" or "bland little guys with no personality" after the work put in by the work of the Chris Benoit's and Dean Malenko's in the 90's, but I guess not. If Davey and Eddie and Roddy are not your cup of tea, fine. But all of chiapet22's are dedicated to being an anti-ROH troll and I don't get the mindset of those people. Like I would say to Gabe Sapolsky, I would suggest building a bridge and getting over those issues because it's much easier to forget ROH exists than to put effort into watching it and commenting on how much you hate it. And for what it's worth, I would agree that there are certainly elements of Jim Cornette's 'new' ROH that I don't like, but I don't think it's fair to blame the wrestlers. In some cases, it absolutely is. If Davey Richards thinks that all it takes to be an entertainer is some stiff kicks and an "intimidating" stare at 5'4", then that's on him. You namedrop Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko, but Malenko and Benoit these guys ain't. And seeing them constantly wrestling each other in a three way circle jerk is getting old.
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Post by chiapet22 on Mar 6, 2012 21:37:18 GMT -5
Clearly this trio has more presence and entertainment/storytelling value than Joe/Punk/Homicide and Aries/Nigel/Danielson. Who said it does? I mean, what point exactly are you trying to make here? ROH should close it's doors because their talent has gotten older, retired, or snatched up by WWE and made into World Champions? ROH and TNA dying, as well as John Cena admitting that he's inferior in every way to the Rock, would be very nice and touching to me. Clearly you have not met the idiots out there who think that the current ROH Big Three are superior workers to the past two ROH Big Threes. It's no different than someone claiming that Cena and Punk are more superior entertainers to Rock and Austin.
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Post by chiapet22 on Mar 6, 2012 21:38:49 GMT -5
Which is why Kevin Steen seems almost a lock to be the next World Champion and Michael Elgin, Jay Lethal, and Adam Cole are all being elevated to main event status. I thought people were past snide comments about "vanilla midgets" or "bland little guys with no personality" after the work put in by the work of the Chris Benoit's and Dean Malenko's in the 90's, but I guess not. If Davey and Eddie and Roddy are not your cup of tea, fine. But all of chiapet22's are dedicated to being an anti-ROH troll and I don't get the mindset of those people. Like I would say to Gabe Sapolsky, I would suggest building a bridge and getting over those issues because it's much easier to forget ROH exists than to put effort into watching it and commenting on how much you hate it. And for what it's worth, I would agree that there are certainly elements of Jim Cornette's 'new' ROH that I don't like, but I don't think it's fair to blame the wrestlers. In some cases, it absolutely is. If Davey Richards thinks that all it takes to be an entertainer is some stiff kicks and an "intimidating" stare at 5'4", then that's on him. You namedrop Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko, but Malenko and Benoit these guys ain't. And seeing them constantly wrestling each other in a three way circle jerk is getting old. Comparing these three jabronies to one of the greatest in-ring performers EVER as well as another great in-ring performer who cared about storytelling and psychology is a disgrace to the Horesemen/Radicalz.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Mar 6, 2012 21:42:13 GMT -5
Guys, do not take shots at people who do not share your opinions on things.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Mar 6, 2012 21:42:29 GMT -5
Who said it does? I mean, what point exactly are you trying to make here? ROH should close it's doors because their talent has gotten older, retired, or snatched up by WWE and made into World Champions? ROH and TNA dying, as well as John Cena admitting that he's inferior in every way to the Rock, would be very nice and touching to me. well i think by now we've all gotten the idea you don't like ROH, so do you honestly not have anything better to do than continuously point out the fact you're not impressed by it? i mean i hate country music and Family Guy, doesn't mean i make it my primary focus on this board to repeatedly let everyone know i think they both suck
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Mar 6, 2012 21:48:10 GMT -5
In some cases, it absolutely is. If Davey Richards thinks that all it takes to be an entertainer is some stiff kicks and an "intimidating" stare at 5'4", then that's on him. You namedrop Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko, but Malenko and Benoit these guys ain't. And seeing them constantly wrestling each other in a three way circle jerk is getting old. Edwards, Richards, and Strong are all good wrestlers Well, which one is it Spank? Anyways, this Triumvirate they have is a complete pass on me. I've said it before, I'll say it now, and probably will say it in the future, Richards is someone who watched 90's AJPW matches of Kobashi and Misawa and UWFI matches of Takada and Tamura, thinks he can do both, tries to mix both, and completly fails at it. I don't care if wrestled in NOAH once. I don't care if he's currently in NJPW, he won the IWGP Jr. Tag Titles and was in last year's BOSJ, if there was a wrestling dictionary, he'd be the picture in the entry of "Puro Wanabee".
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Post by chiapet22 on Mar 6, 2012 21:49:24 GMT -5
Just because you don't focus on bashing a product, doesn't mean that I shouldn't.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 6, 2012 21:51:59 GMT -5
Okay seriously I do like all three guys. But they really need to move on from this series. You can only diver the same match so much and they've been doing combinations of these guys for over a year now.
ROH is fine. They're pushing quite a few guys who don't conform to this style. Elgin, Cole, and The Briscoes are enough reason alone for me to keep with it right now.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 6, 2012 21:52:53 GMT -5
Just because you don't focus on bashing a product, doesn't mean that I shouldn't. And this is where we differ. I actually want to see ROH succeed, but the current formula they're working with isn't working right now. They just honestly need more variety.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 6, 2012 21:55:45 GMT -5
Okay seriously I do like all three guys. But they really need to move on from this series. You can only diver the same match so much and they've been doing combinations of these guys for over a year now. ROH is fine. They're pushing quite a few guys who don't conform to this style. Elgin, Cole, and The Briscoes are enough reason alone for me to keep with it right now. This. There is some great talent being elevated in ROH that's keeping me interested, Elgin is easily becoming one of my favorite talents in all of wrestling for example. But, they have to move away from those three being in the same ring together in opposition and they need to do that yesterday. I'm fine with these three maybe having a match with each other again if they can separate them for a couple of years. Not their faults, all the blame needs to go to Jim Cornette.
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Post by DSR on Mar 6, 2012 23:00:07 GMT -5
I wish Delirious was wrestling in ROH instead of booking it at this point.
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Post by Rave on Mar 6, 2012 23:35:28 GMT -5
I've already decided I'm not watching ROH 'til Steen's champ, so if they want to mess around with Davey, Eddie, and Roddie (even their names sound similar!) for a while longer, I don't really care. They're all fine wrestlers, yes, but there's only so much of the three of them that anyone can take before yelling for something different.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 7, 2012 0:00:13 GMT -5
Makes sense. Since they're all the same person, they know all of their moves.
The match will last until the sun explodes.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 7, 2012 7:52:27 GMT -5
Oooh, it's John Jackson versus Jack Johnson, featuring Jackson John. That's... not right. Seriously, unless you're doing a fake brothers tag team or evil brother angle, guys who look that much alike shouldn't share a ring.
I want RoH to do well, but things like this aren't helping. Ask them to grow their hair, grow beards, something! A look might be good for one worker, but if you surround them with a bunch of guys with that same look they become generic, see the short hair, short trunks and tribal tats look the WWE went for a while back.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Mar 7, 2012 8:05:37 GMT -5
I agree with those saying RoH needs to move on from this and I say that as a huge Roderick Strong fan. I don't think Davey Richards or Eddie Edwards should be anywhere near the World Title but if Cornette wants that then at least find them some different competition - that's why I'm glad Lethal has had the last couple of title matches. They need to elevate different kinds of players like Lethal, Elgin, Generico etc. Rather than having three very similar guys (Richards, Edwards and Roddy) battling it out constantly, probably soon to be four very similar guys since O'Reilly seems to be receiving a push.
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Post by Loki-A-Go-Go! on Mar 7, 2012 8:05:56 GMT -5
Maybe Eddie should go back to this hairstyle.
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