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Post by 543Y2J on Mar 22, 2012 13:35:21 GMT -5
Considering I am already thinking of going to Mania for the first time next year with a load of mates, making the long communte from the UK I would love this. The earlier I know the main event, the more time I have to get hyped for the event. If it is announced that Stone Cold is wrestling it will be a no brainer that I will be getting a travel package to see him live. Ideally my card would be as followed: Stone Cold vs Punk Undertaker vs John Cena HHH vs HBK vs Rock (I know this match would never happen but still) Daniel Bryan vs Dolph Ziggler (WWE Title) Wade Barrett vs Randy Orton vs Christian vs Rey Mysterio (WHT) etc Don't screw this up 'e! You already potentially have my money Just as long as we don't get Taker/Triple H IV
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 13:39:52 GMT -5
I don't get the appeal of Austin vs. Punk at all. I got it when Punk was doing his militant straight edge gimmick - that made perfect sense - but his current position has nothing to do with Austin's gimmick so neither of them would really have any material to work with compared to what they could potentially do with someone else, and it's not like either guy is the greatest in the ring and Austin's been out of it for years anyway.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Mar 22, 2012 13:40:44 GMT -5
I don't get the appeal of Austin vs. Punk at all. I got it when Punk was doing his militant straight edge gimmick - that made perfect sense - but his current position has nothing to do with Austin's gimmick so neither of them would really have any material to work with compared to what they could potentially do with someone else, and it's not like either guy is the greatest in the ring and Austin's been out of it for years anyway. People want it because Punk has said he wants it. Plus, he can flip back to being militant straight edge heel on a dime.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 22, 2012 13:40:54 GMT -5
I don't get the appeal of Austin vs. Punk at all. I got it when Punk was doing his militant straight edge gimmick - that made perfect sense - but his current position has nothing to do with Austin's gimmick so neither of them would really have any material to work with compared to what they could potentially do with someone else, and it's not like either guy is the greatest in the ring and Austin's been out of it for years anyway. I was going to post this the next time someone made an "Unpopular opinions" thread.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 22, 2012 13:40:57 GMT -5
I don't get the appeal of Austin vs. Punk at all. I got it when Punk was doing his militant straight edge gimmick - that made perfect sense - but his current position has nothing to do with Austin's gimmick so neither of them would really have any material to work with compared to what they could potentially do with someone else, and it's not like either guy is the greatest in the ring and Austin's been out of it for years anyway. Simple heel turn for Punk fixes all those problems.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 22, 2012 13:42:28 GMT -5
It depends. A year long build can only keep my interest if the story can continually progress unlike this year's year-long build. I think the problem with Cena vs. Rock is that there really wasn't a story to begin with. Until Rock came back, all Cena really said in interviews about it is that he really wants The Rock to come back, and when he did the only "story" was Cena answering criticisms.
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Post by Snaptastic on Mar 22, 2012 13:45:42 GMT -5
FWIW, if Austin doesn't step back into the ring next year I wonder how a Punk vs Rock match would go over with people.
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Post by paywindah on Mar 22, 2012 13:45:44 GMT -5
No reason for a year-long build. This year's Rock/Cena match would have sold the same number of PPV buys if it was announced last month.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 22, 2012 13:47:18 GMT -5
i'd love a year long build. what i dont want is another main event announcement followed by 10 months of nothing. Truth!. If they want to do a year long build that is fine but the people in feud actually need to be there for a year, they need to interact with each other more than Cena and Rock have. You cannot just announce it and forget/ignore it for 6 months, bring it up for 1, ignore it a few more months, bring it up for 1 and then ignore it 2 more months and then go into the actual build. Someone brought up Sting/Hogan and that is the perfect example (even though the match wasn't actually made a year in advance). They rarely made contact but they were always at each others' throats. Yeah Hogan did other things but Sting was always there to remind you what was going to happen. Also, that is not a shot at the Rock, more on WWE for their horrid booking of this.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 22, 2012 14:26:34 GMT -5
If they're going to do this, it can't involve Cena imo. It's just going to burn people out if they do a year long feud two years in a row. Give it to Taker and give him a reason to be there.
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Post by CH Punk on Mar 22, 2012 14:39:03 GMT -5
You say that now, but you'll get sick of her after her reign of terror as the World Heavyweight Champion. Something about a kawaii desu ne sweet innocent AJ reign of terror makes me want to see it. You really want 20 minute AJ promos at the start of every Smackdown and her squashing every contender in sight just so they can make her credible enough to make her win against Taker not a complete joke?
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Post by barthelemykaras on Mar 22, 2012 14:43:24 GMT -5
Hey, here's a crazy idea: how about instead of building the year around Attitude Era stars and using them as a band-aid, you instead spend said year building up and competently booking your current stars? Yeah I know it's crazy, but seeing as we are in a low star power period due to directionless yo-yo booking, it's pretty hard for most audiences to really give a damn about any of the guys in this era who aren't part of the Cena/Orton/Punk trio, it might be pretty important.
Just a thought.
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Post by elryc on Mar 22, 2012 14:47:08 GMT -5
Hey, here's a crazy idea: how about instead of building the year around Attitude Era stars and using them as a band-aid, you instead spend said year building up and competently booking your current stars? Yeah I know it's crazy, but seeing as we are in a low star power period due to directionless yo-yo booking, it's pretty hard for most audiences to really give a damn about any of the guys in this era who aren't part of the Cena/Orton/Punk trio, it might be pretty important. Just a thought. Intelligent booking? Get out of here!
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 22, 2012 14:57:17 GMT -5
Just spitballing here, what if they made a year long build to Taker's next match but with a twist to what we had the last few years with HBK and HHH. Take Cena, Rock and I'll use Orton as I don't see Austin doing anything outside of Mania and have them on RAW all declare that they want to face Taker and end the Streak.
You set it up as Orton has just destroyed Kane at Mania, is smarter and more dangerous than at WM 21. The winner of Cena/Rock could say he beat them all including Rock/Cena and Taker is the biggest name remaining to conquer. The loser of Cena/Rock could claim the same as the winner, but also knowing they need still need to beat the winner and challenges winner to a rematch (say Summerslam).
The decision is left up to Taker and every feud for them over the course of the year is them trying to impress Taker and win the honor of facing him at Wrestlemania. Taker could show up on occasion to "scout" them at various PPVs, do videos and things like that, while everything physical is built on the backs of Cena, Orton and Rock to a lesser extent.
You also several big matches set up through this in a Cena/Rock rematch, an Orton/Rock match and if he has time a Triple Threat between the three. Then at Mania, you have Cena v. Taker (just using Cena as an example) and Orton could turn heel and face Rock pissed that Rock cost him his shot at the Streak.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 22, 2012 15:03:23 GMT -5
If there was no Austin, Rock, HBK, HHH or Undertaker matches at WM 29, I'd be very happy. And the buyrate would probably be terrible. But mostly I'd be happy.
WWE have put too much stock on the same names for so long that it will bite them in the ass eventually.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 22, 2012 15:13:03 GMT -5
If there was no Austin, Rock, HBK, HHH or Undertaker matches at WM 29, I'd be very happy. And the buyrate would probably be terrible. But mostly I'd be happy. WWE have put too much stock on the same names for so long that it will bite them in the ass eventually. I'd say it already is starting to considering how lukewarm the crowds have generally been to HBK/HHH/Taker stuff.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 22, 2012 15:15:22 GMT -5
If there was no Austin, Rock, HBK, HHH or Undertaker matches at WM 29, I'd be very happy. And the buyrate would probably be terrible. But mostly I'd be happy. WWE have put too much stock on the same names for so long that it will bite them in the ass eventually. I'd say it already is starting to considering how lukewarm the crowds have generally been to HBK/HHH/Taker stuff. You think so? They have been drawing better than Rock/Cena most weeks. I don't think they've been lukewarm for it either. I mean when it's just Trips or HBK they are lively, it's when Taker comes out things seem to go quiet or the whats start and that is more on Taker, IMO than anything else.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 22, 2012 15:18:00 GMT -5
....year long build? - WON And this is exactly why people marked for CM Punk's "shoot" promo. We're talking about a WrestleMania in the year 2013, and his name isn't even on the supposed list of guys to build 'Mania around despite the fact that he's been outselling John Cena in merchandise for nine months and is the WWE Champion. Instead we have the stale John Cena, and three guys whose time passed ten years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 16:33:49 GMT -5
Considering how weak the Rock/Cena build has been, I have no reason to want to see the WWE try it again.
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Post by deancubed on Mar 22, 2012 16:50:45 GMT -5
I'd love to see a year long tournament with the winner facing Taker at Mania. One match of the tourney happens every PPV, and u can build a feud between whoever is fighting each other that month, and keep things fresh each month. You start seeing 2 or 3 guys really built up strong, so much so that when one of the 3 wins the tourney, you still have a red hot grudge match between the other two for Mania. For instance: April: Rey Rey - Miz May: Cena - Orton June: Big Show - Kane July: Cody - Ziggler August: Sin Cara - Del Rio September: Jericho - CM Punk October: Christian - Lord Tensai November: Miz - Cena December: Big Show - Ziggler January: Jericho - Del Rio - Christian February: Cena - Ziggler - Jericho March: Cena - Taker Ziggler - Jericho Ok? So not all of these need to be headlining matches, but all of them would add to a PPV. And giving some guys big wins along the way. It even makes sense to have gimmick PPVs because it means the eventual finalists have to end up going through Cell matches and Extreme matches and whatnot to get to Mania.
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