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Post by tennesseetitan on Apr 2, 2012 1:58:39 GMT -5
Another thing. Wasn't the way Sheamus won the title a bit hypocritical of him? Both him and the commentators were going on about how much of a coward he's become and he's been taking the easy way out in his title defenses. And what does Sheamus do? He takes the easy way out by kicking Bryan while he's distracted. At least Bryan tries to have a fair match with his opponent at first before looking for a screwy finish. If we want to believe the title's hold so much prestige, that it's so offensive it's opening the show, etc. Isn't it given most wrestler's would do anything to have the title? Isn't the way Bryan won the title the easy way out? ... Damn, I'm beginning to forget it's scripted too. lol.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Apr 2, 2012 2:02:04 GMT -5
Another thing. Wasn't the way Sheamus won the title a bit hypocritical of him? Both him and the commentators were going on about how much of a coward he's become and he's been taking the easy way out in his title defenses. And what does Sheamus do? He takes the easy way out by kicking Bryan while he's distracted. At least Bryan tries to have a fair match with his opponent at first before looking for a screwy finish. If we want to believe the title's hold so much prestige, that it's so offensive it's opening the show, etc. Isn't it given most wrestler's would do anything to have the title? Isn't the way Bryan won the title the easy way out? ... Damn, I'm beginning to forget it's scripted too. lol. That's right. Pretty much applies to any MITB cash-in.
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Post by ACG2x on Apr 2, 2012 2:07:23 GMT -5
Look on the bright side - Bryan got a Mania' paycheck for doing less than five minutes of work including his intro. There are worse fates.
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Post by BigWill on Apr 2, 2012 2:07:30 GMT -5
Another thing. Wasn't the way Sheamus won the title a bit hypocritical of him? Both him and the commentators were going on about how much of a coward he's become and he's been taking the easy way out in his title defenses. And what does Sheamus do? He takes the easy way out by kicking Bryan while he's distracted. At least Bryan tries to have a fair match with his opponent at first before looking for a screwy finish. If we want to believe the title's hold so much prestige, that it's so offensive it's opening the show, etc. Isn't it given most wrestler's would do anything to have the title? Isn't the way Bryan won the title the easy way out? ... Damn, I'm beginning to forget it's scripted too. lol. Yeah, I'm fine with a wrestler doing whatever it takes to win a title. The problem I had was with Sheamus calling Daniel Bryan a coward for doing this, when in fact Sheamus isn't above doing the exact same thing.
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Post by Spec_Sun on Apr 2, 2012 2:09:57 GMT -5
The match was sad on every level. There's is really no defending that crap of a build and finish.
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Post by tennesseetitan on Apr 2, 2012 2:11:39 GMT -5
Right. That's because that is what almost every heel/babyface feud is. Sheamus, as a heel, would do anything no matter how underhanded to keep his strap, just like every other bad guy. Like how DB is now.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Apr 2, 2012 2:13:49 GMT -5
May as well given to the spot to Uso/Primo/Epico/Kidd/Gabriel then
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Post by normansmiley on Apr 2, 2012 2:15:19 GMT -5
I'd never had an "I think I'm done with WWE" moment until tonight. I've been watching their programs for 17 years.
This is the type of thing that ruins careers. If DB bounces back from this, I'll be very impressed (if I even stick around to see it). I'm just worried that years from now, he'll just be the "guy that lost the World Title in 15 seconds @ Wrestlemania." Complete slap in the face.
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Post by tennesseetitan on Apr 2, 2012 2:15:28 GMT -5
How is that? Bryan is a great heel. Those dude's are where they're at for a reason.
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Post by juvijuiceisloose on Apr 2, 2012 2:23:30 GMT -5
I'd never had an "I think I'm done with WWE" moment until tonight. I've been watching their programs for 17 years. This is the type of thing that ruins careers. If DB bounces back from this, I'll be very impressed (if I even stick around to see it). I'm just worried that years from now, he'll just be the "guy that lost the World Title in 15 seconds @ Wrestlemania." Complete slap in the face. The fans are gonna be the ones that keep DB around and possibly even make him a main eventer again. Because the crowd at the show completely shat on what happened. The WWE may have thought going in that they were gonna turn Sheamus into the next dominant babyface like Cena, Batista, and Randy Orton. In reality, what happened was the crowd may have turned DB into a sympathetic figure, and Sheamus into the villain. Daniel Bryan and Sheamus didn't do a double turn as far as storyline is concerned, but they both got the opposite reaction that the WWE wanted them to get.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Apr 2, 2012 3:25:30 GMT -5
First off, for all those engaging in schadenfreude in the thread, you really disgust me. It may seem fun to live in a smarmy bubble where you're never caught dead investing your time or passion into anything at all, but it in fact just reveals how scared you are of yourself and the vulnerability inherent in our humanity. Truly, get a life.
As for the match itself, even as a Bryan fan (and a fan of Sheamus) my larger concern was for the show itself. As others have already said, the eighteen second match sucked the air right out of the show.
For me, after the initial disbelief, it became a succession of questions:
-Why a squash with these two guys, especially after what their fate was last year? -Why not showcase two of your best young talents when arguably the most attention (out of the whole year) is on them? -How can Bryan last in a Steel Cage match with two men much larger than even Sheamus, and can withstand a tremendous butt kicking in an Elimination Chamber Match, and then can't take one single kick? -Why completely halt the momentum of one of your top heels on a brand, especially with two heels just barely coming back from injury (Christian, Henry) and another (Barrett) quite far from the comeback trail?
etc...
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 2, 2012 3:37:01 GMT -5
I'd never had an "I think I'm done with WWE" moment until tonight. I've been watching their programs for 17 years. This is the type of thing that ruins careers. If DB bounces back from this, I'll be very impressed (if I even stick around to see it). I'm just worried that years from now, he'll just be the "guy that lost the World Title in 15 seconds @ Wrestlemania." Complete slap in the face. It is BS, but down the line, he could get a Big Show-like redemption.
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Post by kyromax on Apr 2, 2012 3:43:01 GMT -5
Orton/Kane and Rhodes/Big Show were not as good as any of the matches they had on RAW last year, let alone if they were given proper time.
Put Orton, and Rhodes with Sheamus, and Bryan in a fatal 4 way, and you have a classic on your hands.
Instead we get something that kills the crowed for an hour, and effectively ruined those other matches to the live audience. And yes they were ruined, because the fans were chanting Daniel Bryan during those matches.
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Post by Larryhausen on Apr 2, 2012 3:58:38 GMT -5
You know what? If they absolutely had to have this match be a quick squash, why not have Bryan, the technical wizard, outwrestle Sheamus, the brawler, for a minute or so?
You then proceed to DB celebrating by kissing AJ, and the match ends as it did.
Boom. Quick match, both guys show what they can do, and no one is hurt.
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Post by avenger on Apr 2, 2012 4:32:04 GMT -5
I get their logic in it, but if any match warranted that kind of booking, it was Big Show / Cody. YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! Sheamus should have beaten Bryan fairly easily, but these two matches were the wrong way round. Cody deserved the WMD punch within seconds of the opening bell because of the way he's tortured Big Show in recent weeks (just like the Piggy James angle) - whereas the Bryan/Sheamus build was never about Bryan embarrassing Sheamus at every point, and Sheamus needing revenge.
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Post by Loki-A-Go-Go! on Apr 2, 2012 4:42:08 GMT -5
I guess the thing that bothers me the most is even though this has long been known the WWE doesn't really care about anyone but the people at the top of the company.
They didn't care for the fans who may have spent money to see this match. I may only be within a handful of people when I say this but this is the match that i was looking forward to the most since i've been a longtime Daniel Bryan fan and I never thought i'd see him at a Wrestlermania as the world champion no less.
Nor does the WWE care about the wrestlers involved in the match, especially Bryan. We'll have a build up to the match and then completely treat the match like garbage by having it last 18 seconds. If the rumors are true that they had planned this from the get go then whoever booked this or was in charge clearly has no respect the work Daniel Bryan put in as champion. Forget about having a good match, we think it's funny if we have the finish coming 18 seconds in.
And lastly this is the World Heavyweight Championship match. it's the second biggest title the company has and in storyline is supposed to be on level footing with the WWE title and you book it to be a complete waste of time. If any match should have been a squash it was the IC title match. You can make any match be a squah and have it sem reasonable if it features the Big Show since he's bigger and supposed to be stronger then most of the roster.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 2, 2012 4:53:05 GMT -5
Well, as much as I agree with the majority that this was a really dumb thing to do, and should go down as one of the all-time low points in Wrestlemania history, I don't think Daniel Bryan's career is in any sort of jeopardy at the moment like some of the more worried members of FAN and the IWC.
The mark of a great heel is that one can take the most embarrassing losses and bump right back up and still get a reaction from the crowd. Look at Miz, who had no problems getting anyone to boo him despite only picking up his first win of the year last night. You could say the same for Ziggler. I'm sure DB will be fine, and in fact I'd say his YES! catchphrase is an even bigger hurdle for him right as a heel now as it caught on way past anyone was expecting, and I almost expect him to kill that in the next couple weeks to keep him from getting face heat. So, as long as people keep reacting to him, he will have a role in WWE for years to come. If anything else, he has a loyal fanbase that has already proven once before that they will stick by him if he gets fired.
Again, don't get me wrong, last night's debacle did not do anyone any favors and deserves to get shit on. But I just feel that this talk about DB being dead in the water is just a little bit over the top.
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Post by lewis1711 on Apr 2, 2012 4:57:28 GMT -5
All in all it was a poor state to a rather mediocre WCW Starrcade. Russos booking is really off.
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Post by celticjobber on Apr 2, 2012 4:59:14 GMT -5
The worst part about this is that I have an aching feeling that he's going to get a rematch on Smackdown in the near future, and lose and blame it on AJ, and they'll go in that direction with that story from there. No Extreme Rules rematch, no attempts at regaining the World Title for Bryan. My guess is that Kane will be the first contender for the title and have a match with Sheamus at Extreme Rules... Daniel Bryan will most likely be lost in the shuffle.
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Post by Branimal on Apr 2, 2012 5:12:57 GMT -5
It seriously put a bad taste in my mouth. This was one of the few matches I was really looking forward to and it killed my mood until the Hell in a Cell.
I don't have a problem with Sheamus winning, it was what I expected. I just wanted to watch two of my favorites have an awesome match.. what happened wasn't entertaining and I hated it.
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