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Post by wrestlinggod13 on Apr 8, 2012 21:52:09 GMT -5
One word: Virgil
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Apr 8, 2012 22:02:35 GMT -5
Good gravy, yes. What in god's name ever gave that man the impression he was nothing more than a glorified jobber?
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Post by NOwave on Apr 8, 2012 22:55:05 GMT -5
In the case of Bret Hart, I think it was primarily that he took both himself and the business too seriously. He always seemed to think that dropping the WWF title(for example) in Canada somehow made a difference; that Canadians wouldn't like him anymore because of it. Besides the fact that he refused to drop the title to the person that the boss told him to drop it to.(Shawn Micheals) To quote Triple H,(whose attitude at the time was pretty poor) what kind of business is that? Or, to quote Ric Flair(who I did respect at the time), it's as if he refused to lose the title in the Carolinas. How ridiculous to think that losing the title to a top contender and main eventer would somehow diminish your credibility in the post-kayfabe era?
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Post by celticjobber on Apr 8, 2012 23:56:09 GMT -5
Tatanka and Virgil come off as marks for themselves in some of the interviews I've heard. In the case of Bret Hart, I think it was primarily that he took both himself and the business too seriously. He always seemed to think that dropping the WWF title(for example) in Canada somehow made a difference; that Canadians wouldn't like him anymore because of it. Besides the fact that he refused to drop the title to the person that the boss told him to drop it to.(Shawn Micheals) To quote Triple H,(whose attitude at the time was pretty poor) what kind of business is that? Or, to quote Ric Flair(who I did respect at the time), it's as if he refused to lose the title in the Carolinas. How ridiculous to think that losing the title to a top contender and main eventer would somehow diminish your credibility in the post-kayfabe era? People wrongly get hung up on the whole "Canada" thing, but the main reason Bret didn't want to drop the strap to HBK in Montreal is because Shawn deeply disrespected him and straight-up told him that he wouldn't do the same for him in front of the whole locker room.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Apr 9, 2012 0:19:37 GMT -5
Good gravy, yes. What in god's name ever gave that man the impression he was nothing more than a glorified jobber? I wonder, is Virgil a mark for himself or is he just trying to play the game to market himself more and more? Because...from what people have said about meeting him, he sounds like a ridiculously hilarious con artist.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Apr 9, 2012 3:07:10 GMT -5
Tatanka and Virgil come off as marks for themselves in some of the interviews I've heard. In the case of Bret Hart, I think it was primarily that he took both himself and the business too seriously. He always seemed to think that dropping the WWF title(for example) in Canada somehow made a difference; that Canadians wouldn't like him anymore because of it. Besides the fact that he refused to drop the title to the person that the boss told him to drop it to.(Shawn Micheals) To quote Triple H,(whose attitude at the time was pretty poor) what kind of business is that? Or, to quote Ric Flair(who I did respect at the time), it's as if he refused to lose the title in the Carolinas. How ridiculous to think that losing the title to a top contender and main eventer would somehow diminish your credibility in the post-kayfabe era? People wrongly get hung up on the whole "Canada" thing, but the main reason Bret didn't want to drop the strap to HBK in Montreal is because Shawn deeply disrespected him and straight-up told him that he wouldn't do the same for him in front of the whole locker room. Exactly. The Canada thing is a red herring. If he was asked to drop it to Undertaker, he would have. And Ric Flair is the last person who should be criticizing a champion for not dropping the belt when asked.
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Post by bitteroldman on Apr 9, 2012 4:38:24 GMT -5
Paul Roma Paul Orndorff Animal and Hawk Bruiser Brody You've piqued my curiosity, why do you think Brody was a mark for himself?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 9, 2012 4:53:43 GMT -5
Matt Hardy has giant framed pictures of himself all over his house. He wins.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 9, 2012 4:55:45 GMT -5
I don't get why "mark" in general is an insult. Isn't that what a lot of people complain is lacking? People that buy into wrestling rather than trying to disect it?
Make up your damn mind.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 9, 2012 6:06:39 GMT -5
Tatanka and Virgil come off as marks for themselves in some of the interviews I've heard. People wrongly get hung up on the whole "Canada" thing, but the main reason Bret didn't want to drop the strap to HBK in Montreal is because Shawn deeply disrespected him and straight-up told him that he wouldn't do the same for him in front of the whole locker room. Exactly. The Canada thing is a red herring. If he was asked to drop it to Undertaker, he would have. And Ric Flair is the last person who should be criticizing a champion for not dropping the belt when asked. To be fair, Flair would drop the belt.... he'd just make sure he won it back soon after. Just to add to the Bret thing/taking the business too seriously, I saw a Legends Roundtable, where he said he still thinks parts of the USA haven't forgiven him for turning heel, and in his book he talks about turning heel as trying to bury him and his character and his market value. It's a heel turn, ok it was anti-American, but people have recovered from that before and since.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 9, 2012 7:35:38 GMT -5
The Great Sasuke, who doesn't show other wrestlers his face, according to Lance Storm. Storm said that he never had that problem with the original Tiger Mask, Liger, Ultimo but Sasuke was the one masked wrestler who refused to talk to him without the mask on. That's got to be up there. maybe he's just really ugly and doesn't want anyone to see his face? I dunno...
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 9, 2012 7:55:25 GMT -5
The Great Sasuke, who doesn't show other wrestlers his face, according to Lance Storm. Storm said that he never had that problem with the original Tiger Mask, Liger, Ultimo but Sasuke was the one masked wrestler who refused to talk to him without the mask on. That's got to be up there. maybe he's just really ugly and doesn't want anyone to see his face? I dunno... See, I'd BUY that, if he wasn't also the first masked Senator in the Japanese Diet. He actually fought to wear his mask as a member of a legislative body. That verges into "crazy" to me.
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Post by YiHammer on Apr 9, 2012 8:30:15 GMT -5
Paul Roma Paul Orndorff Animal and Hawk Bruiser Brody Brody wasn't a mark for himself, Brody was a legit crazy person.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2012 8:43:23 GMT -5
Taz is a big one I've heard. WWE seemed to actively try and take him down about 16 pegs.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Apr 9, 2012 9:31:53 GMT -5
I don't get why "mark" in general is an insult. Isn't that what a lot of people complain is lacking? People that buy into wrestling rather than trying to disect it? Make up your damn mind. Well, you certainly don't need wrestlers that buy into it like that. That's dangerous! The thought of Matt Hardy having pictures of himself all over his home is funny to me. I'd probably do the same thing though. I think Matt is just really insecure, so he goes out of his way for attention. Like, posting that picture of him and his girlfriend naked just seemed to scream "ha! See! I still get hot women. I'm Awesome!"
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Post by paperbackhero on Apr 9, 2012 9:33:55 GMT -5
Paul Roma Paul Orndorff Animal and Hawk Bruiser Brody You've piqued my curiosity, why do you think Brody was a mark for himself? Brody seemed to be a real interesting character. While not outspoken or boastful as the other people mentioned, he did not want to destroy his mystique. When entering territories, he would work the program up until the end, when he wouldnt do the job and put over the local. Now, some may say that he was simply "protecting himself" or he was a good business man, and he was, but i also think that you have to have a lot of the same attributes as Bret Hart, or the others mentioned. Also, in his shoot interview he did with the local tv station, he was really candid about the business. He was also a bit of a know-it-all when it comes to wrestling. He was thoughtful, and one of my favourite ever, but i believe was was a mark for himself....many of the greats have to be.
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Post by mauled on Apr 9, 2012 10:08:50 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan's gotta take 1st place. When a man mentions that somone saying he once beat him 8yrs ago in a promo is the ultimate no no in this business thats pretty much being mark for yourself.
Am amazed no one has mentioned HBK from the mid 90's yet.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Apr 9, 2012 10:22:08 GMT -5
I don't get why "mark" in general is an insult. Isn't that what a lot of people complain is lacking? People that buy into wrestling rather than trying to disect it? Make up your damn mind. Not if you're the person with the act. "Mark" is carny-talk AND conman talk, and it means the same thing: Someone who believes your persona is real and will give you money because of it. Lots of people are just interpreting this to mean "arrogant." But that's not what it means; it means someone who thinks their wrestling character is REAL, that losing would be actually somehow bad for them personally. That's why Bret gets it. He didn't want wonderful hero Bret Hart looking bad in particular ways and in particular places.
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Post by YiHammer on Apr 9, 2012 10:24:47 GMT -5
Why hasn't anyone said Low Ki yet?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2012 10:36:59 GMT -5
Bret is easily #1 as far as being a mark for himself. No one else comes close. Nothing is ever his fault, any time he failed at something it was due to someone backstabbing him or playing politics, and every match he ever had was great. Ask him, he will tell you.
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