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Post by The Ichi on Apr 20, 2012 17:45:49 GMT -5
Punk doesn't deserve to be in the same ring as Austin. I agree, Punk should be in the ring with someone he can have a good match with. Love Austin, but it's over for him and I don't see a match with him involved being anything more than a brawlfest. Give me Punk and Ziggler tearing down the house instead. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 20, 2012 18:18:58 GMT -5
Has Austin been watching CM Punk recently? Judging from the quote...yeah. Punk does have some pretty "fluffy" going through the motions offense more often than not, but because he's CM Punk it gets ignored. Austin does give critiques on guy's in-ring on twitter occasionally, last one I can remember offhand was him commenting on RVD's punches when watching TNA one time. It took him until TNA to realize that Van Dam can't throw a punch for shit?  |
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Post by mcstoklasa on Apr 20, 2012 18:24:50 GMT -5
I want this match to happen. That is all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 20:45:32 GMT -5
The only real dilemma is who is the face and who is the heel? Punk really seems settled as a face, but to me Punk/Austin doesn't look very compelling as a face/face match. I'm dying to see Austin wrestle again, but it almost feels too late for Punk/Austin.
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Post by molson5 on Apr 20, 2012 21:15:56 GMT -5
If it's intensity he's after clearly he should wrestle LORD TENSAI!
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Apr 20, 2012 22:25:58 GMT -5
The only real dilemma is who is the face and who is the heel? Punk really seems settled as a face, but to me Punk/Austin doesn't look very compelling as a face/face match. I'm dying to see Austin wrestle again, but it almost feels too late for Punk/Austin. Punk would be the heel by default, no question. |
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Apr 20, 2012 22:35:08 GMT -5
Its amazing how many of you are reading what he said as anything more than posturing.
Read. The. Words.
"Maybe Punk’s not the guy to go against. He needs to pick up his intensity"
That reads to me as a veiled shot intended to further a feud. Austin is not above kayfabing and its rather subtle.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Apr 20, 2012 23:22:25 GMT -5
Its amazing how many of you are reading what he said as anything more than posturing. Read. The. Words. "Maybe Punk’s not the guy to go against. He needs to pick up his intensity" That reads to me as a veiled shot intended to further a feud. Austin is not above kayfabing and its rather subtle. Exactly the way I read it, too. |
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Post by Todd's crazy , Man. on Apr 20, 2012 23:55:59 GMT -5
Punk doesn't deserve to be in the same ring as Austin. How can you believe that? As good as Austin was on the stick , He was terrible in the ring as stone cold and even as a Hollywood Blonde it was clear Pillman was better then him. Punk on the other hand brought the Anaconda Vise and Go To Sleep to American Wrestling. On The Mic , Austin far better then Punk , I'll admit that but Punk could out wrestle Austin even in his prime. Heck , In his in-ring prime , Austin's finisher was a stun gun. Plus I've seen Punk bust out Suicide Dives and Springboard Clotheslines on a weekly basis , when was the last time you saw Austin try one of those? Has he ever in his entire career? |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 21, 2012 0:32:36 GMT -5
Punk doesn't deserve to be in the same ring as Austin. How can you believe that? As good as Austin was on the stick , He was terrible in the ring as stone cold and even as a Hollywood Blonde it was clear Pillman was better then him. Punk on the other hand brought the Anaconda Vise and Go To Sleep to American Wrestling. On The Mic , Austin far better then Punk , I'll admit that but Punk could out wrestle Austin even in his prime. Heck , In his in-ring prime , Austin's finisher was a stun gun. Plus I've seen Punk bust out Suicide Dives and Springboard Clotheslines on a weekly basis , when was the last time you saw Austin try one of those? Has he ever in his entire career? That's an unfair criticism of Steve Austin. The reason he never did suicide dives and such is that it's just not his style. I never expected a 240 pound plus man to dive off the top ropes like that, especially considering that Steve Austin has always wrestled a heavyweight style, while Punk wrestles a light heavy/crusierweight style. I think it's also unfair to say Steve Austin was terrible during his Stone Cold days because I believed that he had some classic matches even after his neck injury with the likes of Rock, Angle, Dude Love, Undertaker etc. You could make the argument that he may have been carried through those matches but I don't believe that at all. It takes two to make a good match. And, to me, I believe that if there was any carrying in those matches it was HIM doing that. |
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Post by Some Guy on Apr 21, 2012 0:33:54 GMT -5
Punk doesn't deserve to be in the same ring as Austin. How can you believe that? As good as Austin was on the stick , He was terrible in the ring as stone cold and even as a Hollywood Blonde it was clear Pillman was better then him. Punk on the other hand brought the Anaconda Vise and Go To Sleep to American Wrestling. On The Mic , Austin far better then Punk , I'll admit that but Punk could out wrestle Austin even in his prime. Heck , In his in-ring prime , Austin's finisher was a stun gun. Plus I've seen Punk bust out Suicide Dives and Springboard Clotheslines on a weekly basis , when was the last time you saw Austin try one of those? Has he ever in his entire career? I don't think Punk could out wrestle 1997 or 2001 Austin, which you seem to be massively underrating. And so what if he never did suicide dives or springboard clotheslines. That doesn't exactly make him a bad wrestler. |
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Post by Paco on Apr 21, 2012 0:35:46 GMT -5
Austin can't moonsault!
Gimme an Austin match before any Punk match...but that's just me.
...and I am a Punk fan.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Apr 21, 2012 0:37:26 GMT -5
How can you believe that? As good as Austin was on the stick , He was terrible in the ring as stone cold and even as a Hollywood Blonde it was clear Pillman was better then him. Punk on the other hand brought the Anaconda Vise and Go To Sleep to American Wrestling. On The Mic , Austin far better then Punk , I'll admit that but Punk could out wrestle Austin even in his prime. Heck , In his in-ring prime , Austin's finisher was a stun gun. Plus I've seen Punk bust out Suicide Dives and Springboard Clotheslines on a weekly basis , when was the last time you saw Austin try one of those? Has he ever in his entire career? That's an unfair criticism of Steve Austin. The reason he never did suicide dives and such is that it's just not his style. I never expected a 240 pound plus man to dive off the top ropes like that, especially considering that Steve Austin has always wrestled a heavyweight style, while Punk wrestles a light heavy/crusierweight style. I think it's also unfair to say Steve Austin was terrible during his Stone Cold days because I believed that he had some classic matches even after his neck injury with the likes of Rock, Angle, Dude Love, Undertaker etc. You could make the argument that he may have been carried through those matches but I don't believe that at all. It takes two to make a good match. And, to me, I believe that if there was any carrying in those matches it was HIM doing that. Honestly, the fact that Austin was able to put on great matches with a broken freaking neck (Kurt Angle TM) says all you need to know. |
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Apr 21, 2012 0:48:37 GMT -5
Punk doesn't deserve to be in the same ring as Austin. How can you believe that? As good as Austin was on the stick , He was terrible in the ring as stone cold and even as a Hollywood Blonde it was clear Pillman was better then him. I hate to be ageist and I dont intend to use it to further an argument, but in this case, it almost has to be done. Acc to your profile, you were approximately 3 years old in 1993 during the Blondes' run and around 7-12 during the height of Austin in Attitude. I find it hard to believe that anyone at that age can differentiate who or even what is a better wrestler other than liking a guy or not, even if you saw Austin do his thing in WWE when it happened. Obviously, there's tape, but I think you probably wouldnt have watched it until recent years in respect to the Blondes at least. I don't think its a stretch to say that your "conditioning" in respect to watching wrestling has been molded a certain way and I readily and totally admit that watching early 90s WCW can be excruciating no matter how good or bad a talent is. The Anaconda Vise? Really? The arm-trap triangle choke is not revolutionary and has been around for years. Punk brought it in to pro wrestling afaik, but I dont see that as any sort of accolade as there are bunches of wrestlers in his own age group who use MMA technique in a pro-wrestling ring. Plenty of guys have also brought moves from Japan, which Punk did with the GTS. You grew up with MMA as a very viable sport for the most part. I didnt even know what MMA was until 1995. Anyone claiming that Austin was terrible in the ring as a Blonde cannot be taken seriously or have watched 5 minutes of that run. I'm all for someone liking CM Punk more as its their prerogative, but what you posted is absolutely ridiculous and insulting to people who are old enough to have seen Austin from his beginnings. Watch Austin before his neck injury. The man is simply one of the best ever in this business in almost every single respect. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 0:55:02 GMT -5
Austin was in the hospital the night before mania 19 almost on his death bed , next night he puts on a classic with The Rock and showed no signs or gave any indication to anyone that wasn't readin the dirt sheets that anything had happened.
And it was a match that alot consider even better than the mania 17 match which was him at his absoloute peek post neck sugery IMO.
If that is a man that is not a great wrestler than gawd damn I will watch that man wrestle over Cm Punk any day of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 1:07:43 GMT -5
Punk doesn't deserve to be in the same ring as Austin. How can you believe that? As good as Austin was on the stick , He was terrible in the ring as stone cold and even as a Hollywood Blonde it was clear Pillman was better then him. Punk on the other hand brought the Anaconda Vise and Go To Sleep to American Wrestling. On The Mic , Austin far better then Punk , I'll admit that but Punk could out wrestle Austin even in his prime. Heck , In his in-ring prime , Austin's finisher was a stun gun. Plus I've seen Punk bust out Suicide Dives and Springboard Clotheslines on a weekly basis , when was the last time you saw Austin try one of those? Has he ever in his entire career? Ugh, people still think pro wrestling is about what your "moveset" is? I love Punk as a wrestler. I loved Austin as a wrestler. It doesn't make CM Punk a better wrestler because he uses Japanese/MMA holds and busts out some high flying moves. |
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Post by warrior on Apr 21, 2012 1:25:00 GMT -5
Wrestlemania XXX - Rock/Austin at WM again Also, while I wouldn't complain if we got it, I don't necessarily see the appeal of Punk vs. Austin. Here's why It would be a good clash |
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 21, 2012 12:22:26 GMT -5
Punk doesn't deserve to be in the same ring as Austin. How can you believe that? As good as Austin was on the stick , He was terrible in the ring as stone cold and even as a Hollywood Blonde it was clear Pillman was better then him. Punk on the other hand brought the Anaconda Vise and Go To Sleep to American Wrestling. On The Mic , Austin far better then Punk , I'll admit that but Punk could out wrestle Austin even in his prime. Heck , In his in-ring prime , Austin's finisher was a stun gun. Plus I've seen Punk bust out Suicide Dives and Springboard Clotheslines on a weekly basis , when was the last time you saw Austin try one of those? Has he ever in his entire career? Well, I don't know how many suicide dives and springboard clotheslines I've seen Ric Flair do, either. The occasional dangerous spot doesn't make you a great wrestler, and neither does doing stuff you saw in Japan once and again. Psychology does. Fact of the matter is, Punk is a good wrestler, and a damn good one at that. But whether or not he's a great one is up to debate; within, say, the last year, I cannot remember a truly amazing match I've seen Punk in that wasn't with a four-to-five star worker (Jericho, Cena, or the bona fide best in the world, Daniel Bryan). |
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Post by 543Y2J on Apr 21, 2012 12:35:31 GMT -5
I want this match to happen. That is all. |
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Post by flatsdomino on Apr 21, 2012 12:40:49 GMT -5
Total kayfabe to build up to the match. Why do people think it's IMPOSSIBLE that Austin would kayfabe leading into his possible WRESTLEMANIA COMEBACK MATCH?
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