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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 24, 2012 17:05:14 GMT -5
Indy guy no-sells a dropkick: They're killing the business with all this no-selling.
Santino no-sells a dropkick: Well....dropkicks aren't THAT damaging, are they? I mean, it's not like it REALLY hurts.
Heh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2012 17:06:58 GMT -5
I know there's a separate thread for this, but if that had been Triple H taking a dropkick, rolling backwards, getting right up and Pedigreeing the dude, the board would be flipping out. Same thing for Cena.
I love how its like "well a dropkick isn't supposed to hurt"...but the Cobra is!?
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Apr 24, 2012 17:08:29 GMT -5
With a cross-body into a roll-through, the guy delivering the move hits the opponent up high. So it would make sense for the momentum to carry them over like that. Where do you think a dropkick hits the guy? I know that sounds dickish, but c'mon. It's more believable that a cross-body would cause a person to roll over. A dropkick (kayfabe obviously) is one quick blow to the upper half of the body. A cross body is a heavier blow to the top half of the body and the weight of the person is kept up high on the person being hit. So the faster you fall back and the more weight is resting on you, it would suggest to me that you were more likely to roll over with the momentum. Again, that is looking at it in a "I want to believe" way.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Apr 24, 2012 17:11:26 GMT -5
I know there's a separate thread for this, but if that had been Triple H taking a dropkick, rolling backwards, getting right up and Pedigreeing the dude, the board would be flipping out. Same thing for Cena. I love how its like "well a dropkick isn't supposed to hurt"...but the Cobra is!? If either of them did it the same way Santino did, I'd have marked out just like I did for Santino.
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Post by PTBartman on Apr 24, 2012 17:11:52 GMT -5
I viewed it as any martial arts move where you allow your opponents momentum to "push" you where you want to be to set your attack. loved the spot.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Apr 24, 2012 17:19:52 GMT -5
I know there's a separate thread for this, but if that had been Triple H taking a dropkick, rolling backwards, getting right up and Pedigreeing the dude, the board would be flipping out. Same thing for Cena. I would expect Triple H and Cena to no-sell a dropkick, silly.
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 24, 2012 17:21:05 GMT -5
I love how its like "well a dropkick isn't supposed to hurt"...but the Cobra is!? I'm sure a strike to the throat will hurt more but that's not the point. Not all wrestling moves are designed to directly damage an opponent, they can just be used to force an opening, knock an oponent off balance, set up future moves, sap an opponent’s energy, get the crowd onside, gain a psychological edge etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2012 17:21:08 GMT -5
it looked like he countered it. So.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Apr 24, 2012 17:23:52 GMT -5
I know there's a separate thread for this, but if that had been Triple H taking a dropkick, rolling backwards, getting right up and Pedigreeing the dude, the board would be flipping out. Same thing for Cena. I love how its like "well a dropkick isn't supposed to hurt"...but the Cobra is!? Difference between Cena/HHH and Santino is that Cena/HHH's finishers are grapples that take time to set up. Santino's finisher is a quick strike. It's not entirely out of the realm of believability that Santino was able to score a quick strike for the win, and it's not like Primo was looking properly at Santino anyway.
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Post by BigWill on Apr 24, 2012 17:29:11 GMT -5
Indy guy no-sells a dropkick: They're killing the business with all this no-selling. Santino no-sells a dropkick: Well....dropkicks aren't THAT damaging, are they? I mean, it's not like it REALLY hurts. Heh.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 24, 2012 17:31:02 GMT -5
I know there's a separate thread for this, but if that had been Triple H taking a dropkick, rolling backwards, getting right up and Pedigreeing the dude, the board would be flipping out. Same thing for Cena. I love how its like "well a dropkick isn't supposed to hurt"...but the Cobra is!? If either of them did it the same way Santino did, I'd have marked out just like I did for Santino. If 40-year old Triple H, busted quads and all, rolled through a dropkick and hit the pedigree, he'd probably get an appreciation thread.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 24, 2012 17:34:11 GMT -5
Indy guy no-sells a dropkick: They're killing the business with all this no-selling. Santino no-sells a dropkick: Well....dropkicks aren't THAT damaging, are they? I mean, it's not like it REALLY hurts. Heh. Hey, just saying. And loving watching people scrambling for excuses as to how the Cobra actually hurts. "Well, you see, it's a quick strike, while the dropkick.....well, that's a quick strike too, but this argument only makes sense if you don't pay attention to that part, so the no selling was COMPLETELY logical!"
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 24, 2012 17:36:38 GMT -5
But doesn't a targeted strike to the throat hurt more than a glancing kick to the chest?
Ah I'm spent too much time analysing this, the cobra is fun and the dropkick roll-through looked cool so logic can take a back-seat.
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Post by PKO on Apr 24, 2012 17:58:58 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with it. Wrestlers do the multiple dropkicks in a row spot anyway (#1 dropkicks #2, #2 falls down...gets back up, 1 dropkicks him again). Here Santino is actually using the momentum to get himself back up. Others have mentioned the crossbody reversal, one of my pet peeves in wrestling, which is worse than this spot.
And I like a little humour now and again. This challenges what we expect from wrestling; Primo stops Santino's momentum which should mean he'll go on to win, but that isn't the case here. That's a good twist, and it's funny!
As for Santino's cobra itself: suspension of disbelief. They've presented the move like a clubbing blow enough for it to be a believable, legitimate move. And again; it's comedy. I used to love Hurricane's chokeslam to much larger opponents which wasn't believable at all if you put all these rules to it. But it was fun and funny and wrestling needs a bit of that now and again. Plus, when you analyse too much you have to eventually come to the conclusion that nothing that happens in the ring is believable, and that's boring.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 24, 2012 18:36:20 GMT -5
If you're getting upset by the idea of a babyface taking all sorts of punishment from a heel and then coming back with a decisive win, I honestly have no idea why you're watching pro wrestling at all.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 24, 2012 18:40:42 GMT -5
Only tangentially related, but that's a really bad looking dropkick.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 24, 2012 18:41:58 GMT -5
I couldn't care less. It was fun and genuinely made me smile. That's what I want wrestling to do.
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Post by Dean-o on Apr 24, 2012 18:42:04 GMT -5
People get right back up from dropkicks all the time.
I had no problems with what Santino did. What I do have a problem with are champions losing in non-title matches. It's been a trend for years in the WWE, and it drives me crazy, especially when the winners never challenge for the belt in a rematch. They simply don't care that they beat a champion, nor demand the belt anyways.
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Post by dragonzombie on Apr 24, 2012 18:43:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2012 18:45:00 GMT -5
And I wouldn't like to see him losing like that either. You'd be bothered by Santino losing that way? I mean, I can understand the Puerto Rican Nightmares, since they're semi-serious, but this is Santino we're talking about. He's been slapped around by Divas for heaven's sake.
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