|
|
Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Dec 20, 2011 16:20:13 GMT -5
(Video NSFW) {Spoiler}It's Indy 4 |
|
|
|
Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Dec 20, 2011 16:39:04 GMT -5
Follow that Bird not canon?
|
|
The Line
Patti Mayonnaise
Real Name: Bumkiss. Stanley Bumkiss.
Peanut Butter & JAAAAAMMMM!
Posts: 36,698
|
Post by The Line on Dec 20, 2011 16:55:33 GMT -5
should be good.
|
|
Goldenbane
Hank Scorpio
THE G.D. Goldenbane
Posts: 7,331
|
Post by Goldenbane on Dec 20, 2011 19:18:00 GMT -5
Looking forward to it! Hopefully he'll show all those people that defend that movie so much why it's by far the worst of the series.
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael Coello on Dec 20, 2011 19:22:55 GMT -5
Looking forward to it! Hopefully he'll show all those people that defend that movie so much why it's by far the worst of the series. I hope it sucks then. It was annoying when I had to hear South Park with their rape joke have other people run it into the ground fast, and I don't need another moment like that again. Plus, it wasn't even bad. It was pretty damn awesome. |
|
Goldenbane
Hank Scorpio
THE G.D. Goldenbane
Posts: 7,331
|
Post by Goldenbane on Dec 20, 2011 19:26:01 GMT -5
Looking forward to it! Hopefully he'll show all those people that defend that movie so much why it's by far the worst of the series. I hope it sucks then. It was annoying when I had to hear South Park with their rape joke have other people run it into the ground fast, and I don't need another moment like that again. Plus, it wasn't even bad. It was pretty damn awesome. Without trying to start anything, I'll just say I really disagree with the "awesome movie" opinion and leave it at that. It's no where near the worst movie ever, but I like second movie far more than last. I'd probably actually like the last much more if Shia wasn't in it. Oh, and just so you know, I am NOT one of those people that hated the fridge thing. I actually liked that part and thought it was cool. |
|
|
|
Post by BorneAgain on Dec 20, 2011 19:33:47 GMT -5
Its odd to think that Lucas and Spielberg made Crystal Skull, because it feels like it was created by people who had a limited if not shallow view of the series, and that they put it certain action and character scenes because Indy films have them without understanding why.
I think much of the failures in lay in that they didn't go far enough with the premise and characters. You have an older Indy who's lost friends/family facing a new enemy with the Russians, dealing with the Red Scare, encountering a wholly different phenomena with aliens, reuniting with Marion, and discovering he has a son.
Any one of those would have been an inherently interesting premise, and yet the whole thing feels so standard and flat. If all those are present, then use them thematically. Create a comeback story with Indy coming back from the quiet life he'd resigned himself to in order to prevent the rise of large threat again.
Acknowledge Ford's age and make Indy a Kirk esque figure circa Wrath of Khan, feeling alone and old in a different world, with the Russians seemingly out-thinking and outmaneuvering him at every turn. Acknowledge his age and experience as part of the broader story. Alien artifacts, relics he's completely unfamiliar with are at the center of a huge plot which he thinks he probably could have figured out years earlier. Finally the son he meets (Moving the reveal much earlier) is so different and seems far more on the ball about the world today and the dangers it possesses.
Yet through his conversations with Marion, reminders of what Marcus/Henry Jones Sr brought out him, and the discovery that he and his son are far more alike gives him the realization he needed. The enemies may change, the climate may alter, the artifacts alien instead of supernatural, but Dr. Indiana Jones will still figure out a way to survive and save the day.
|
|
|
|
Post by Starshine on Dec 20, 2011 19:36:54 GMT -5
I've never been a big Indy fan, but that movie just left me cold. It didn't make me angry, but I almost completely forgot about it afterwards. IMO that's a good definition of a crappy movie. Also I always look forward to Plinkett's reviews.
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael Coello on Dec 20, 2011 19:39:19 GMT -5
I hope it sucks then. It was annoying when I had to hear South Park with their rape joke have other people run it into the ground fast, and I don't need another moment like that again. Plus, it wasn't even bad. It was pretty damn awesome. Without trying to start anything, I'll just say I really disagree with the "awesome movie" opinion and leave it at that. It's no where near the worst movie ever, but I like second movie far more than last. I'd probably actually like the last much more if Shia wasn't in it. Oh, and just so you know, I am NOT one of those people that hated the fridge thing. I actually liked that part and thought it was cool. Well, the awesome was personal feelings, though I think Doom is the worst of the series, not Skulls, though I still like it. I just think it got some backlash for A)casting The Beef B) being a sequel to a movie almost 2 decades after the last one, and maybe C) a bit of lumping in with the issues with the SW prequels released around the same time period. |
|
|
|
Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 20, 2011 20:19:42 GMT -5
Yes it is that bad. In fact it was never meant to be good. Lucas wanted to make an old style B grade exploitation film. He took a franchise that is considered great and used the characters to make a second rate B film.
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael Coello on Dec 20, 2011 20:22:40 GMT -5
But the Indy series pretty much Was suppose to be like a second rate B-movie.
|
|
|
|
Post by BorneAgain on Dec 20, 2011 20:28:03 GMT -5
But the Indy series pretty much Was suppose to be like a second rate B-movie. Maybe that's the case, but I also felt at its best the Indy films had elements beyond that. Last Crusade in particular just feels like much more is going than just the plot; the relationship between father & son, the contrast of Jones vs. Elsa vs. Donovan, the broader meaning/consequences of the grail, and even the nature of belief. And that's just the third film alone. Its why the literal crystal skull and the aliens seem to lack any depth to the story, because in the previous films stuff like the Ark, the Stones, and the Grail were never the point in and of themselves. It was what they represented to the characters and to the broader world that made them important. Crystal Skull throws in some half-hearted dialogue about knowledge and its power, but it seems so disconnected to the rest the narrative, that its basically meaningless. |
|
|
|
Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 20, 2011 21:04:47 GMT -5
But the Indy series pretty much Was suppose to be like a second rate B-movie. I have heard that thrown around before but I think those people are a bit misguided. Indiana Jones was a modernized take on 30s era serials. There were no such things as B movies in the 30s. I have heard people call Birth of a Nation exploitation and B movie. Its not. It's exploitative because of how it treats its subject matter but its not intentionally so, more ignorantly so. B movies are the artistic decendents of those earlier movies. If you liked it more power to you go ahead and enjoy it. My enjoyment shall come from the utter shit smearing I personally feel it deserves. |
|
