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Post by Bone Daddy on Sept 5, 2011 21:05:05 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels?
Say that wcw were able to get Shawn to come over as well. Would the NWO have been bigger? Not as big? Would WCW still be around? Would WWE still be around? What about Bret Hart, what would his situation have been? Hogan?
So many unanswered questions....
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 5, 2011 21:06:52 GMT -5
WWE would still be around.
I think it would have been a big deal to wrestling fans, but almost certainly less mainstream attention than with Hulk Hogan.
WCW would still probably be screwed down the line, but it would have meant less dependence on Hogan, and therefore possibly fewer big-time contracts to maintain.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 5, 2011 21:07:57 GMT -5
Wouldn't have been nearly as big. Like not even one tenth as much.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 21:27:29 GMT -5
It would've been big but not the jaw dropping shocker that Hogan was. Plus, we wouldn't have gotten possibly the best heel in wrestling history.
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Post by saintpat on Sept 5, 2011 22:16:08 GMT -5
It wouldn't even be remembered today.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Sept 5, 2011 23:02:05 GMT -5
It wouldn't even be remembered today. I think WCW would have tanked quicker and harder. Bret and Vince would have made up because of the common clique enemy. Bret would have replaced Shawn as the one to put Austin into the Main Event and that would have been awesome. Triple H would have faded away or ended up as the thirteenth addition to the NWO and been ranked somewhere below Conan but above Bryan Adams. The personality and political conflicts in WCW would have been epic. Bret would have never been concussed by Goldberg. Owen and Davey Boy would have stayed in some form of Hart stable and would probably be around today. Steph would have probably gone through with marrying Test after Trips was gone, and we would have to tolerate his pushes. Not sure what would have become of Hogan, either he turns heel anyway and joins the stable a lot less climactically or he is the hero to fight them and it further pisses off the Sting/Flair old school NWA fans. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 6, 2011 6:13:40 GMT -5
Hogan with creative control vs Shawn's politics?
WCW would have folded faster. It may not have even made it to 2000.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Sept 6, 2011 7:45:25 GMT -5
Shawn gets no back injury, Shawn works in a much less disciplined environment, Shawn never gets the moment of realisation he needs to clean up and convert
Shawn may not be here today.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 6, 2011 7:56:37 GMT -5
Shawn gets no back injury, Shawn works in a much less disciplined environment, Shawn never gets the moment of realisation he needs to clean up and convert Shawn may not be here today. He'd quite possibly be dead. That said, he would have met his wife faster, so maybe it could have been curbed even earlier. |
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Post by probable on Sept 6, 2011 13:16:43 GMT -5
Shawn goes to WCW Doesn't shout at Vader at Summerslam. Vader leaves that fateful Summers nights event to go happily drinking. Vader gets drunk Vader rapes and murders a prostitute.  |
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Post by turkeysandwich on Sept 6, 2011 13:34:51 GMT -5
If Hogan had stayed face he would've returned and defeated all the NWO and then leave for another 6 months to make another movie, and the NWO would be remembered as much as Dangerous Alliance and any other faction WCW ever had. Wrestling never would have had a boom period in the late 90's.
I almost hate giving Hogan that much credit, but there is no one ever in wrestling history that could bring mainstream attention at that time like Hogan could.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 6, 2011 14:36:12 GMT -5
Shawn goes to WCW Doesn't shout at Vader at Summerslam. Vader leaves that fateful Summers nights event to go happily drinking. Vader gets drunk Vader rapes and murders a prostitute. Well, I just burst out laughing! Post of the day! |
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Post by moneyman20 on Sept 6, 2011 14:40:21 GMT -5
1.The angle would have gone nowhere because Hogan and Shawn would never have agreed on anything.
2. WCW wouldn't have made it past 1998 because of the amount of money and politics would have been much worse than what actually happened.
3. Pro Wrestling would not have made it and the times would have passed them by.
3. Shawn would be dead.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 6, 2011 15:08:01 GMT -5
I'm going the opposite route. Hogan get pushed aside and never gets another contract extension. HBK become Hogan but younger and a better worker thus the Hogan backlash of 99-01 isn't there. Vince Russo never jumps on as WCW doesn't fall as easily. Sting vs. HBK is a watchable match. Goldberg and HBK gets saved for a PPV instead of free TV. Warrior never comes in.
I think Hogan worked because it was shocking. HBK would have been just as shocking. It wasn't necessarily because it was Hogan that the NWO storyline reached the heights that it did. It was because the main event storyline was interesting.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 6, 2011 15:16:35 GMT -5
I know most people say it wouldn't have been as big, but I don't really believe that. I mean, Shawn Michaels unexpectedly jumping from WWF to WCW to join the NWO would have been huge. It may not have been as big as Hogan, but I think people are exaggerating a lot when they say stuff like "I wouldn't even remember it today" or "WCW would have went out of business a lot quicker".
Besides it's not like HBK being the third man would have prevented them from still doing the shocking Hogan turn later down the road.
It's a moot point though. The angle started out damn near perfectly to begin with. If I had the ability to re-write any part of WCW history it certainly wouldn't be the first year of the NWO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 15:23:28 GMT -5
I think that Hogan was the perfect choice because I'd bet that a lot of people that bought into the angle were Hulkamaniacs when they were kids. and now they're teens and Hogan is cool again after a few years of staleness that turned them off of wrestling.
HBK would have been good as the 3rd man, but I think that Hogan gave it that little something extra to make it special.
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Post by Bone Daddy on Sept 6, 2011 15:28:32 GMT -5
I think that Hogan was the perfect choice because I'd bet that a lot of people that bought into the angle were Hulkamaniacs when they were kids. and now they're teens and Hogan is cool again after a few years of staleness that turned them off of wrestling. HBK would have been good as the 3rd man, but I think that Hogan gave it that little something extra to make it special. On my main page it looked like the title was "What is the third man in the NWO had been Akeem?" SO MANY BUYS! |
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Post by chazraps on Sept 6, 2011 15:36:25 GMT -5
I think that Hogan was the perfect choice because I'd bet that a lot of people that bought into the angle were Hulkamaniacs when they were kids. and now they're teens and Hogan is cool again after a few years of staleness that turned them off of wrestling. HBK would have been good as the 3rd man, but I think that Hogan gave it that little something extra to make it special. Yes, this post sums up my feelings perfectly. |
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Post by Starshine on Sept 6, 2011 19:24:56 GMT -5
Think about how people consider Lex Luger's debut on Nitro today.
It would be like that. Something big that happened, but the impact was lost over time.
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Post by joebob27 on Sept 7, 2011 1:56:10 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels had drawn scant, if any, money up until that point of his career. And still didn't afterwards until he came back.
It would have killed the angle dead, or Nash would have had to have been out in front.
Hogan turning was like 3/4s of the reason it worked. The other 1/4 was that it was an inside job. If the third man is Michaels, it's not an inside job.
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