Calling it right now...ROH/TNA

[Protest the Chris Hero]

Within 3-5 years, Ring of Honor will be the number 2 promotion. You cannont convince me in anyway that TNA has any chance anymore with Dixie, Russo, Hogan, Eric, Jarrett all employed. And I'm not saying fire 1 or 2, THEY (ah ah....see what I did there) need to all go.

[Deleted]

We can only hope

[Steveweiser]

As long as Panda has the money, ROH will never be #2, as sad as that is. Even with being on some network TV, TNA will still be seen by more people.

[Rolent Tex]

ROH will never be number 2 unless TNA up and dies or ROH finds wider television exposure. If I can only watch matches from a promotion by running out and buying a DVD or looking matches up on YouTube...that's no number 2 to me. Good luck to them though.

[Fiddleford H. McGucket]

My thoughts on this.

- Sinclair Media has the rights, but are currently showing it on (At least in my area) on the old MyNetwork affiliate. If it does well and you can expand it to say the REAL ABC affiliate then we may be in business (As you said in the next 3-5 years)

- Panda's gotta be getting little to NO ROI on TNA/IW, I mean it's not the burning money pit that some people make it out to be, but dwindling house show gates, FREE TO ATTEND TV SHOWS, no outside advertising for their product, and a myriad of various pay/benefit related problems (Not all of them can be real, nor can they ALL be imagined/exaggerated, my guess is about 40/60), aren't doing it any favors.

- Firing everyone but Bischoff and (Maybe) Jarrett would probably the best bet. Bisch does bring his Production company with him, which IS an asset, and in the grand scheme as long as he handles production (i.e effects, presentation etc) and not PRODUCT it should be ok. Jarrett's a push though, anyone that's ever had to pawn an heirloom knows his pain. TNA was his baby. His family's legacy, don't make him an on-screen character at ALL but let him be on the booking committee.

[Protest the Chris Hero]

WCW had the money and look at how that turned out. ECW didn't have the money but got a network and look how that turned out....It's not just money, or the channel....It's about promotion, selling the product, marketing the product, and of course the product itself....TNA has all that money and yet how little promotion is had and of course the fact that after nearly a decade they still base out of Florida when rather than cutting the fat and being out going to various cities and venues, they do the bare minimum...


Look at ROH and TNA and compare the timelines. Started around the same time. One with money and networks, the other word of mouth and promotion, promotion, promotion...and in nearly a decade look at each product and where they are at...ROH is on an upstream and TNA is spinning in circles...

I already consider it the number 2 promotion. Just cause TNA is on TV does not make it a success or mean its doing good....ex . The Perfect Couples/Paul Reiser show debacle

[Rolent Tex]

Aug 29, 2011 12:50:35 GMT -5 Protest the Chris Hero said:

WCW had the money and look at how that turned out. ECW didn't have the money but got a network and look how that turned out....It's not just money, or the channel....It's about promotion, selling the product, marketing the product, and of course the product itself....TNA has all that money and yet how little promotion is had and of course the fact that after nearly a decade they still base out of Florida when rather than cutting the fat and being out going to various cities and venues, they do the bare minimum...


Look at ROH and TNA and compare the timelines. Started around the same time. One with money and networks, the other word of mouth and promotion, promotion, promotion...and in nearly a decade look at each product and where they are at...ROH is on an upstream and TNA is spinning in circles...

I already consider it the number 2 promotion. Just cause TNA is on TV does not make it a success or mean its doing good....ex . The Perfect Couples/Paul Reiser show debacle

I still can't consider ROH a number two promotion though...yet. I can go to a WWE show and find lots of fans who know who Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Beer Money and the such are. Not so many fans would know who the heart and soul of ROH's roster would be though. I'm sure some would, but most wouldn't. Before I ever even watched an episode of ECW...I could tell you who all of the players were.

TNA's not going anywhere. If Dixie finally decides to get out of it, I'd expect Hogan and Bischoff to dive in and buy it as long as it still has a TV slot. If ROH continues to put on a quality product and manages to expand it's television presence...it can be the ECW to TNA's WCW...and WWE's WWF?

[Slingshot Suplay]

Roh is the top Indy promotion and will continue to stay that way because of their constantly revolving roster. Like ECW, they will continue to be a feeder company for the bigger companies if they can't convince their talent not to jump ship.

[Michael Coello]

If ROH ever does become number 2, it won't be the ROH you or anyone else know right now.

[Fiddleford H. McGucket]

Here's what scares me, Sinclair means semi-national exposure. I see the big names eventually being poached by WWE and the midcard possibly being poached by what's left of TNA.

Assuming that its not treated as an unofficial "feeder" fed for the othe two, it should make for some passable tv.

[ANTLOL]

Dixie and Russo are incompetent, but Hogan, Bischoff and especially Jarrett are not. However, I hope ROH succeeds big time.

[mjolnir]

I wish but I don't see it happening. TNA is basically Dixie's pet project and as long as she fancies it, I don't see Panda walking out on TNA.

That said, if Spike drops TNA, I could see TNA downsizing (as they help foot the bill for some of the bigger name talents too). But I don't think even that could give RoH the advantage.

[Slingshot Suplay]

ROH is a niche product. I don't see it as a company that could appeal to the average wrestling fan who's been conditioned by WWE exposure to think ROH = "Sports Entertainment".

[Cam]

Gonna have to give you a no on that one.

[J.O.B. Squad]

I am hoping this happens but in all actuality I doubt it since so many don't know about ROH,Hopefully this Sinclair deal changes that.

[________ has left the building]

Stranger things has happened. After WCW and ECW went out of business, XPW was the defacto number 2 promotion in the US.

[SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts]

Aug 29, 2011 14:24:09 GMT -5 ANTLOL said:

Dixie and Russo are incompetent, but Hogan, Bischoff and especially Jarrett are not. However, I hope ROH succeeds big time.

None of them are very good. In fact, I'd say Hogan, Bischoff and Jarrett are worse for what they've actually done.

I'll call it right now, it'll be exactly the same.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Aug 29, 2011 16:34:01 GMT -5 Slingshot Suplay said:

ROH is a niche product. I don't see it as a company that could appeal to the average wrestling fan who's been conditioned by WWE exposure to think ROH = "Sports Entertainment".

What about it is niche, though?

Your average non-fan will generally be more impressed by an ROH match than by a WWE TV match.

ROH's angles are often no better or worse than WWE's (although WWE has been so awesome lately, ROH may have fallen behind while I haven't paid it attention).

I'd say that ROH's biggest obstacle is still that it is so much obviously smaller in scale than WWE. That matters to a lot of people.

Shimmer is niche. Chikara is niche. ROH? It's just flashier in the ring and less flashy in all other aspects.

[Glitch]

Aug 29, 2011 14:03:24 GMT -5 Michael Coello said:

If ROH ever does become number 2, it won't be the ROH you or anyone else know right now.

Even if ROH becomes number 2 and doesn't change, I can still see some fans giving them the "you sold out" treatment.

[Ultimo Chocula]

Sadley, ROH will always be small potatoes because that's all they want to be. The little indy that appeals to the smark crowd with the roster consisting of slight variations of the same guy. They've had opportunities but they don't take any of them.