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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 16, 2012 10:33:18 GMT -5
The stereotype I'd mostly heard about Tampa, as it concerns to the Lightning is that due to heavy Florida Migration, that it always had one of the highest presences of opposing fans. Especially against teams like Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, NYR, Philadelphia, and Boston. Can someone confirm or deny this? I'm curious. Same thing I hear with the Florida Panthers who have decent attendance numbers for a team that haven't been in the playoffs for like ten years, only made it three times in their entire existence, and having the arena in the middle of nowhere. It's absolutely true that Tampa and Florida draw a pretty good number of visiting fans, but that doesn't really take away from their fanbases. It's just that both areas are pretty big transplant hotspots AND both are near to big vacation spots, so any number of fans of northern market teams might make the trek down and make a long weekend or something out of it. It's why the NHL was suggesting putting them in a realigned conference with the current Northeast division: the travel would be a pain, but they'd draw a big number of Habs/Leafs/Bruins/etc. fans. Again, that's not an insult to their fans; as said before, these are young teams in markets that don't naturally lend themselves to hockey, as well as, again, being markets that are both transplant and vacation hot spots. Also it's not like the visiting fans are always drowning out the locals or something, but they do have a presence quite often. I wish I could say that a common misconception is that the NY media and coverage don't give enough respect to the local hockey teams...but it's true, they really don't give them any respect. In a deranged way, it's something that kind of unites all three fan bases around here, that feeling that no matter how much more successful all the teams here are than the basketball teams, they'll never get mainstream recognition.
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Post by dabossftw on Feb 16, 2012 12:04:21 GMT -5
HMark hit the nail on the head. The "transplant effect" isn't just with the Lightning/NHL teams, either. Some games at the Trop, you'll find more Yankee/Red Sox fans than you will Rays fans.
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Post by darthalexander on Feb 16, 2012 12:13:30 GMT -5
Habs fans always try to win an argument with "24 Cups"!! That's about their only bad quality I know of, way out here in Alberta. It is a fine accomplishment, but what have you done lately? Exactly. I always get a good laugh out of that one. I've brought it up myself but it's done to joke around, never to win an argument. Whenever I see it, I think it's pretty sad.
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Post by stealthamo on Feb 16, 2012 12:15:25 GMT -5
HMark hit the nail on the head. The "transplant effect" isn't just with the Lightning/NHL teams, either. Some games at the Trop, you'll find more Yankee/Red Sox fans than you will Rays fans. Another good example is Roy Halladay's perfect game against the Marlins in Miami. You would've thought it was a home game based on the cheers he was getting.
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Post by rocket on Feb 16, 2012 12:16:00 GMT -5
Same thing I hear with the Florida Panthers who have decent attendance numbers for a team that haven't been in the playoffs for like ten years, only made it three times in their entire existence, and having the arena in the middle of nowhere. It's absolutely true that Tampa and Florida draw a pretty good number of visiting fans, but that doesn't really take away from their fanbases. It's just that both areas are pretty big transplant hotspots AND both are near to big vacation spots, so any number of fans of northern market teams might make the trek down and make a long weekend or something out of it. It's why the NHL was suggesting putting them in a realigned conference with the current Northeast division: the travel would be a pain, but they'd draw a big number of Habs/Leafs/Bruins/etc. fans. Again, that's not an insult to their fans; as said before, these are young teams in markets that don't naturally lend themselves to hockey, as well as, again, being markets that are both transplant and vacation hot spots. Also it's not like the visiting fans are always drowning out the locals or something, but they do have a presence quite often. I wish I could say that a common misconception is that the NY media and coverage don't give enough respect to the local hockey teams...but it's true, they really don't give them any respect. In a deranged way, it's something that kind of unites all three fan bases around here, that feeling that no matter how much more successful all the teams here are than the basketball teams, they'll never get mainstream recognition. I have to agree about NYC-area hockey. It's one thing for the Devils and Islanders to not have as much coverage since they're both suburban teams whose fanbases aren't as big. But for the Rangers to be ignored like this when they're pulling ahead in the conference? At this rate, if they win the cup and have a parade in the canyon of heroes, people will all be wondering what that racket is in lower Manhattan in the middle of June. Lin couldn't come at a worse time for them (and I'm a Knicks fan).
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 16, 2012 12:49:09 GMT -5
The thing about Tampa fans (particularly Rays fans) is that when the Rays were battling for the division and even the playoffs, the Trop never really sold out on a regular basis. I never understood that.
Also, Tropicana field is absolutely the ugliest stadium alive
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Post by doel on Feb 16, 2012 12:51:11 GMT -5
Someone who Supports a Non League team doesn't count as much as someone who supports Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. Rugby League is only played in the North of England and New South Wales, Australia . I've heard the second one a bunch of times. Yes i'm a Rugby League Fan. Which brings me to because i'm a League fan i must hate Union .
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Post by FALLOUT Goldashausen #BLM on Feb 16, 2012 22:40:24 GMT -5
I also enjoy the typical "The Jays/Raptors have fans?" creative remark from visiting fans at games. Yes, actually, both teams have very strong fan bases. I get this all the time living in Buffalo, because there doesn't seem to be any major Raps and Jays fan support down here (as much as living minutes away from the border gives you, at least). Mostly Yankees and Knicks fans, which I think is bizarre. Sad to say, but the most Jays/Raptors fan support you get down here is from travelling Canadians. I mean, I was born in Toronto, so I should be talking....but I've lived here nearly 20 years and haven't seen much enthusiasm for them. Maybe because they're in the midst of losing seasons, I don't know.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Feb 17, 2012 2:20:13 GMT -5
Myth: The San Jose Sharks are another baffling entrant into a non-hockey market that could be better served in another hockey-friendly city. Fact: Ask many people around the Bay Area, and they will say, "I don't follow hockey (though those same fans often do express that they wish the Sharks success)." But for those who do, the Sharks have some of the most loyal fans in the NHL. They have sold out nearly every home game since their inception, and generally the only way to get tickets is through either StubHub or a scalper. I never got that, to be honest. The Sharks are often touted as one of the huge successes of the most recent expansion era. The Preds are also a big success. Well, I've seen people call for the entire Pacific Division to be contracted, so there is definitely a lack of respect for the region as a whole.
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Post by canceled4truth on Feb 17, 2012 5:29:47 GMT -5
I live in DC, everyone thinks that all of the teams here suck. There is no misconception. As another resident of DC (well, the metro area) I completely agree.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 17, 2012 8:45:46 GMT -5
I never got that, to be honest. The Sharks are often touted as one of the huge successes of the most recent expansion era. The Preds are also a big success. Well, I've seen people call for the entire Pacific Division to be contracted, so there is definitely a lack of respect for the region as a whole. I've seen people call for every team outside of Canada to be contracted. There are idiots everywhere. I live in DC, everyone thinks that all of the teams here suck. There is no misconception. As another resident of DC (well, the metro area) I completely agree. Oh man, the "GET 'EM!" radio rant about how much the Redskins suck was one of the greatest things I've ever heard.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 11:06:01 GMT -5
This isn't a rampant stereotype among more knowledgable sports fans, more so among the uneducated, but I've run into some people that assumed Cardinal fans were arrogant, hate filled bullies towards Cubs fans- basically the NL equivalant of Yankee fans. Actually, it's a pretty respectful rivalry that doesn't have anywhere near the amount of bile you see with Dodgers vs. Giants and Yanks vs. Red Sox. Most Cards fans just like to poke light hearted fun at the Cubs' failures, but we all know when to stop (note both fanbases' collective reaction to Darryl Kile's death). And part of the reason we toot our horn so much is a reaction towards the Cubs' giant WGN-boosted national platform and the media advantage they get from playing in Chicago, despite their compared lack of success as opposed to St. Louis. St. Lous is one of the few cities where baseball is the #1 and most popular sport. No misconceptions about that. The misconception would be that the Cubs are the #1 team in Chicago and they arent its the Bears. Cubs & White Sox hire new managers: they get a mention on the local newscasts during the sports segment. The Bears announce anything involving their coaching staff or the front office: all local programming is interrupted for the press conference. (Making my mom upset, because it always seems like they're interrupting her daily soap opera.) The Bulls get some sports-time love. The Blackhawks are still way behind. And then there's the Fire. Another sports misconception (mainly to casual fans): As much as the Chicago stations talk about the U of I (University of Illinois), a lot of them believe that the school is in Chicago.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 17, 2012 12:39:00 GMT -5
It's absolutely true that Tampa and Florida draw a pretty good number of visiting fans, but that doesn't really take away from their fanbases. It's just that both areas are pretty big transplant hotspots AND both are near to big vacation spots, so any number of fans of northern market teams might make the trek down and make a long weekend or something out of it. It's why the NHL was suggesting putting them in a realigned conference with the current Northeast division: the travel would be a pain, but they'd draw a big number of Habs/Leafs/Bruins/etc. fans. Again, that's not an insult to their fans; as said before, these are young teams in markets that don't naturally lend themselves to hockey, as well as, again, being markets that are both transplant and vacation hot spots. Also it's not like the visiting fans are always drowning out the locals or something, but they do have a presence quite often. I wish I could say that a common misconception is that the NY media and coverage don't give enough respect to the local hockey teams...but it's true, they really don't give them any respect. In a deranged way, it's something that kind of unites all three fan bases around here, that feeling that no matter how much more successful all the teams here are than the basketball teams, they'll never get mainstream recognition. I have to agree about NYC-area hockey. It's one thing for the Devils and Islanders to not have as much coverage since they're both suburban teams whose fanbases aren't as big. But for the Rangers to be ignored like this when they're pulling ahead in the conference? At this rate, if they win the cup and have a parade in the canyon of heroes, people will all be wondering what that racket is in lower Manhattan in the middle of June. Lin couldn't come at a worse time for them (and I'm a Knicks fan). It's part of what Devils fans get on Rangers fans about when they pull the "you don't sell out all your games!" card; we mostly respond with "Yes, good for you, fifty-plus extra years of history over us and you have two thousand more fans than us to show for it." Hell, on Mike Francesa's show during Super Bowl week he made a point of saying "we have an extra hour during the shows this week, so that hour is time to call in about whatever subject you want." One guy called in and asked "Mike, don't think you think with the Rangers doing as well as they are they should be getting some more recognition?", to which Fatty McGoo responded with "Well, it's nice, but let's wait for the playoffs." That was it. Meantime none of the local radio hosts know much about hockey (outside of Don LaGreca on ESPN radio, who isn't even allowed to talk hockey when he's on the air when he's not calling a game), they don't bring it up, when they do have a hockey guest on they don't know what to ask, and they never bring on any of the local beat reporters for any of the teams. It's really gotten beyond absurd at this point: the Devils now play in the middle of downtown in the biggest city in New Jersey, a VERY quick train ride from Manhattan, the Rangers play in the heart of Midtown Manhattan, the Islanders are making a playoff push, but there's no effort made to give extra coverage to any of them. Hell, I think this ties back to my original point about NY fans not really being "win a title and we'll come flocking" fans; the Devils have won three Stanley Cup Finals since 1995, the Rangers won in 1994, and the Islanders had their "4 Cups/5 Finals" dynasty ALL since the Knicks or Nets have won a title (in fairness: Nets get ignored, too), but the winter story, win or lose, is always the Knicks.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 17, 2012 12:49:03 GMT -5
Francesa actually had Pierre McGuire to talk about hockey last night. I was shocked. Of course it was all about the Rangers. But it was nice to actually have some hockey representation. A Devils fan did call and represent us, and then you had the stereotypical "unusually cocky for supporting a team that only wins once every 50 years or so" bragging Rangers fan. And then some Islanders fans called about how much Nassau Colosseum sucks, and that was about it.
As far as the Buffalo-area goes, I have a friend that lives up in Rochester and supports all New York teams (somehow he's both a Mets and Yankees fan). I saw a lot of New York and even Boston and Cleveland fans of stuff when I went up there, but very little Toronto. He said the reason is because no one really associates with the Toronto teams because they're Canadian, even though Toronto is a lot closer geographically than NYC, Boston, or other American cities. I guess national pride overrides the local factor.
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Post by Wolfpack Bitch on Feb 17, 2012 13:49:42 GMT -5
I got one ! The Pirates ownership is actually trying to put together a winning team.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Feb 17, 2012 20:05:48 GMT -5
I live in DC, everyone thinks that all of the teams here suck. There is no misconception. As another resident of DC (well, the metro area) I completely agree. The Capitals don't suck, though they are the Eastern Conference's version of the Sharks, who always manage to choke in the playoffs.
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Post by triplethreatmark on Feb 17, 2012 20:14:33 GMT -5
For the Tri-State area hockey fans: The media may not care about hockey, but at least you guys live in an area where people care. Here in LA, on the few occasions when the local news shows highlights of the Kings , they manage to call Johnathan Quick Jeffrey, call periods innings, or confuse the LA Kings logo with the Sacramento Kings logo.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 17, 2012 20:14:48 GMT -5
The Nats are also looking very promising this season. The Redskins and Wizards... lol.
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Post by bitteroldman on Feb 18, 2012 0:04:16 GMT -5
Myth: Chicago Cubs fan have no knowledge of baseball and show up at the park to drink beer, enjoy the sunshine and ogle members of the opposite sex.
Reality: Some are there to ogle members of the same sex (not that there's anything wrong with that)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 9:25:16 GMT -5
Myth: Chicago Cubs fan have no knowledge of baseball and show up at the park to drink beer, enjoy the sunshine and ogle members of the opposite sex. Reality: Some are there to ogle members of the same sex (not that there's anything wrong with that) I was going to go in that direction, but I would just be a boorish White Sox fan who hates the Cubs because I'm jealous of their success. Well, that, and I'm supposedly too drunk to pay attention to the game and looking for a first-base coach to beat up.
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