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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 22:20:41 GMT -5
I think he should get away from them anyway. They don't respect him and they've certainly never done anything to show otherwise. The sooner he's out from their clutches, the better. You have got to be kidding me. Multi-time tag and IC champ, treated as a huge deal on ECW and equal to Cena on multiple occasions, beating one of the chosen few in Sheamus on several occasions just least winter and, getting several WWE title shots. Yeah, no respect for him Constant yo-yo pushing, jobbing him out to a flavor of the week whenever he gets over enough to get into the main event. Because that just reeks of respect, pulling the rug out from under a guy every time he gets to the top tier by his own devices, right? Or how about when he was made the Janetty of his tag team with Miz and consistently presented as the inferior teammate every time they dissolved. Or how about playing Relationship Control Freak with him, not once, but twice?
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Post by femmejomo on Oct 25, 2011 22:56:09 GMT -5
How did you know I liked Shelton too? And don't forget The Pope! LOL. Yeah, I clearly have a type... But seriously, I miss them both and wish they were back in The WWE... I know I'm biased, but I don't see how JoMo's replaceable. He can do things no one else can do. Who else in the WWE right now could/would have done the spots he did at TLC/RR/EC/ER? He was one of the highlights of those PPV's. How about how the World's Strongest Slam we saw last week? It takes 2 guys to put on an spot like that. It wasn't just Henry alone. Morrison helped make that move look amazing. Amazing enough that they've shown it a number of times this week. I think that if he was winning more matches and not being booked into so many squashes, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I think he's made mistakes in his career, but he's also at the mercy of the WWE and Creative. They've made him look like crap. Plus, he's not alone - look at the recent treatment Alex Riley, Wade Barrett, and Daniel Bryan have received. It's the same. We single Morrison out, but we could easily talk about any of those guys. I see and respect where you're coming from, but I just don't agree. Maybe I'm a sucker and a mark, but I refuse to give up on Morrison. I'm going to fight for him until the bitter end or things change. I also know I'm part of a small group right now, but I never was one to follow the crowd. I'm a huge fan of his out of pure respect for his wrestling ability (people can talk about parkour all they want, but I was lauding his technical wrestling expertise that he used to focus on back before he started flying around all the time), but I am 100 percent sure that he's leaving the company. His contract is almost up, and they are doing everything in their power to totally marginalize him. I think he should get away from them anyway. They don't respect him and they've certainly never done anything to show otherwise. The sooner he's out from their clutches, the better. You're one of the only people I've heard talk about this technical ability. The spots have become the focus (probably because they are so amazing looking) but he's more of a wrestler than that. He really made Submissions Count Anywhere US title match at HIAC 2010 for me. He did everything from the crazy spot to wrestling Bryan on the mat to pulling out a number of beautiful looking submissions. Those submissions looked great. They were sharp and expertly applied, especially that Texas Cloverleaf and I marked for the Tarantula (I love that move and miss Tajiri.) I thought he signed a multi-year contract in 2009 and that it was for more than 2 years. Also, on Twitter the other day, he asked if anyone heard any rumors that "might" be true. I took that to be his way of saying they weren't true. I could be wrong and just hoping he doesn't leave. I don't like they way they've been treating him. I agree they've been disrespecting him big time, but are there really any better options for him? In WWE, he gets a nice, steady paycheck and time to wrestle on TV. It's kind of the same with Jim Ross. I can see him being treated the same way in TNA. He doesn't really wrestle in the ROH style. He might do well in Dragon Gate or Chikara and probably in Mexico. Not sure about Japan. I would follow his career regardless of where he goes though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 23:02:16 GMT -5
I'm a huge fan of his out of pure respect for his wrestling ability (people can talk about parkour all they want, but I was lauding his technical wrestling expertise that he used to focus on back before he started flying around all the time), but I am 100 percent sure that he's leaving the company. His contract is almost up, and they are doing everything in their power to totally marginalize him. I think he should get away from them anyway. They don't respect him and they've certainly never done anything to show otherwise. The sooner he's out from their clutches, the better. You're one of the only people I've heard talk about this technical ability. The spots have become the focus (probably because they are so amazing looking) but he's more of a wrestler than that. He really made Submissions Count Anywhere US title match at HIAC 2010 for me. He did everything from the crazy spot to wrestling Bryan on the mat to pulling out a number of beautiful looking submissions. Those submissions looked great. They were sharp and expertly applied, especially that Texas Cloverleaf and I marked for the Tarantula (I love that move and miss Tajiri.) I thought he signed a multi-year contract in 2009 and that it was for more than 2 years. Also, on Twitter the other day, he asked if anyone heard any rumors that "might" be true. I took that to be his way of saying they weren't true. I could be wrong and just hoping he doesn't leave. I don't like they way they've been treating him. I agree they've been disrespecting him big time, but are there really any better options for him? In WWE, he gets a nice, steady paycheck and time to wrestle on TV. It's kind of the same with Jim Ross. I can see him being treated the same way in TNA. He doesn't really wrestle in the ROH style. He might do well in Dragon Gate or Chikara and probably in Mexico. Not sure about Japan. I would follow his career regardless of where he goes though. Look at what his age is, and look at the physically demanding style that he wrestles, and look at the total lack of plans they have for him and the fact that he keeps escalating his ring style whenever he gets an outlet to do so. He's going to be run physically ragged in that company if he keeps up the way he is, and for what? To be nobody for the rest of his career? I don't want to be a fan of a guy who can't walk at 40 because his knees are blown out from the rigors of physical activity. He has nerve/neck issues too, and the manifestation of those which he received surgery on healed much slower than not just what was hoped for, but what was expected. That's a really bad sign, and it's better he doesn't risk a more serious injury like that. He can do things besides wrestling. And for the sake of his own well-being, he really ought to.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 25, 2011 23:10:24 GMT -5
It took 1 and a half wastelands for Barrett to beat Morrison, so I don't think he's doing too bad
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Post by Celgress on Oct 25, 2011 23:41:39 GMT -5
.....It's got to be tough on melina though. I mean how is she going to work in batista time when johns home?.... line of the night ;D
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Post by Rican on Oct 26, 2011 0:11:35 GMT -5
You know, the recent CM Punk and Zack Ryder pushes just make it hard for me to believe the WWE would continue ignoring someone they thought they could make some real money off of. If JoMo was gonna get any further he'd be there by now. All of his pushes seemed really forced and just never stuck. He's so damn talented in the ring but something about him just never connected. I think he's had one hell of a run regardless but he went as far as he could.
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Post by femmejomo on Oct 26, 2011 10:04:57 GMT -5
You're one of the only people I've heard talk about this technical ability. The spots have become the focus (probably because they are so amazing looking) but he's more of a wrestler than that. He really made Submissions Count Anywhere US title match at HIAC 2010 for me. He did everything from the crazy spot to wrestling Bryan on the mat to pulling out a number of beautiful looking submissions. Those submissions looked great. They were sharp and expertly applied, especially that Texas Cloverleaf and I marked for the Tarantula (I love that move and miss Tajiri.) I thought he signed a multi-year contract in 2009 and that it was for more than 2 years. Also, on Twitter the other day, he asked if anyone heard any rumors that "might" be true. I took that to be his way of saying they weren't true. I could be wrong and just hoping he doesn't leave. I don't like they way they've been treating him. I agree they've been disrespecting him big time, but are there really any better options for him? In WWE, he gets a nice, steady paycheck and time to wrestle on TV. It's kind of the same with Jim Ross. I can see him being treated the same way in TNA. He doesn't really wrestle in the ROH style. He might do well in Dragon Gate or Chikara and probably in Mexico. Not sure about Japan. I would follow his career regardless of where he goes though. Look at what his age is, and look at the physically demanding style that he wrestles, and look at the total lack of plans they have for him and the fact that he keeps escalating his ring style whenever he gets an outlet to do so. He's going to be run physically ragged in that company if he keeps up the way he is, and for what? To be nobody for the rest of his career? I don't want to be a fan of a guy who can't walk at 40 because his knees are blown out from the rigors of physical activity. He has nerve/neck issues too, and the manifestation of those which he received surgery on healed much slower than not just what was hoped for, but what was expected. That's a really bad sign, and it's better he doesn't risk a more serious injury like that. He can do things besides wrestling. And for the sake of his own well-being, he really ought to. My question is why are we writing off Morrison so early? He's only just turned 32. According to the logic you presented, Christian should have retired years ago. He was in a similar position earlier in his career. He just won his first two WWE World Titles at 38. He wouldn't have won them if he just gave up. For a nobody, Morrison's won a fair amount of titles and is in a lot of highlight reels. Nobodies are guys, like DJ Gabriel, who made no impact in WWE and have just become forgotten. (Sorry to the Gabriel fans.) Morrison isn't that. For better or worse, he's someone we really like to talk about. Nobodies get ignored and don't become the center of attention. If you don't want to support a guy because he MIGHT have injuries in 8 years, then I would venture to say you really aren't a fan of him. Do I want him to end up like Rey Mysterio with his knee problems or even Edge who had to retire early? No, I don't, but that not my decision to make. That's ultimately Morrison's decision. I would cheer for him if he decided to move toward more of a technical game and stopped doing high-risk spots. My favorite Morrison move is actually The Moonlight Drive. I mark every time he goes for it. Actually, he was only out about 4 months. That's pretty quick for the neck surgery and injuries he had. Did he come back to early? I don't know. Morrison's good at selling, so there's no way to know how much he's hurting. The way he talks and acts makes me think it's a lot of selling. The only person who knows for sure is him.
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Post by femmejomo on Oct 26, 2011 10:06:14 GMT -5
You know, the recent CM Punk and Zack Ryder pushes just make it hard for me to believe the WWE would continue ignoring someone they thought they could make some real money off of. If JoMo was gonna get any further he'd be there by now. All of his pushes seemed really forced and just never stuck. He's so damn talented in the ring but something about him just never connected. I think he's had one hell of a run regardless but he went as far as he could. The truth is that many people like to diss on Morrison, because it's the popular thing to do now in IWC. But last year around this time, many of the critics were singing his praises and debated on when, not if, he was going to be a world champion. I'm now starting to see people criticize Punk and Ryder. They were the same people who fully supported both of them just a few months ago. I really think this flip-flopping is why the WWE is hesitant to listen to us fans.
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Post by Rican on Oct 26, 2011 10:42:13 GMT -5
You know, the recent CM Punk and Zack Ryder pushes just make it hard for me to believe the WWE would continue ignoring someone they thought they could make some real money off of. If JoMo was gonna get any further he'd be there by now. All of his pushes seemed really forced and just never stuck. He's so damn talented in the ring but something about him just never connected. I think he's had one hell of a run regardless but he went as far as he could. The truth is that many people like to diss on Morrison, because it's the popular thing to do now in IWC. But last year around this time, many of the critics were singing his praises and debated on when, not if, he was going to be a world champion. I'm now starting to see people criticize Punk and Ryder. They were the same people who fully supported both of them just a few months ago. I really think this flip-flopping is why the WWE is hesitant to listen to us fans. I respectfully disagree on a few levels: 1) I don't think anyone is dissing Morrison just because. A lot of people always have for the same reasons (uncharismatic, spot monkey, etc). I haven't seen more or less dissing now. If anything more people are defending him because of the WWE's almost obvious burying of him. 2) I haven't seen that much more criticism of Punk and Ryder, but if there is any, its because they're more exposed now than previously. Previously, Punk was an upper midcarder and occasional main eventer, as opposed to now when he's basically number 2 behind Cena. Ryder's exposure previously was relegated to Superstars and his internet show, which only a portion of this board would go out of their way to see. The numbers are made up but lets say for the sake of the argument that previously only 20 percent of the board was regularly exposed to Ryder, most of them out of their own choice and because they already liked him. Now, we have most of the board exposed to him because he's featured on television more frequently. It stands to reason that with more people exposed to him more people also aren't going to care for him. 3) I think the WWE has demonstrated a few times this year they don't care what the fans like, and by and large will just shove something down the fans throats until they get complacent and accept it. Punk and Ryder have, by and large, gotten over by their own devices, to the extent that the WWE couldn't ignore it anymore and caved in. Morrison, honestly, I would argue was one of the pet projects that kept getting pushed and never caught on like they thought they would. But that's just my opinion.
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Post by Krimzon on Oct 26, 2011 10:45:57 GMT -5
You know, the recent CM Punk and Zack Ryder pushes just make it hard for me to believe the WWE would continue ignoring someone they thought they could make some real money off of. If JoMo was gonna get any further he'd be there by now. All of his pushes seemed really forced and just never stuck. He's so damn talented in the ring but something about him just never connected. I think he's had one hell of a run regardless but he went as far as he could. What's the main thing Punk & Ryder have that Morrison doesn't? What's the main thing the Miz & R-Truth have that Morrison doesn't? Personality. That's Morrison's biggest weakness. He has GREAT in-ring ability, but his personality just isn't what it should be for somebody to get a sustained superpush. In order for them to really get behind him and make him a star, he has to define a personality and crank it up x10. Right now, there's nothing about JoMo's personality that stands out. When "We're gonna eat your lunch" is on the back of your damn T-shirt as some sort of catchphrase, you have major problems.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 26, 2011 11:10:04 GMT -5
You know, the recent CM Punk and Zack Ryder pushes just make it hard for me to believe the WWE would continue ignoring someone they thought they could make some real money off of. If JoMo was gonna get any further he'd be there by now. All of his pushes seemed really forced and just never stuck. He's so damn talented in the ring but something about him just never connected. I think he's had one hell of a run regardless but he went as far as he could. The truth is that many people like to diss on Morrison, because it's the popular thing to do now in IWC. But last year around this time, many of the critics were singing his praises and debated on when, not if, he was going to be a world champion. I'm now starting to see people criticize Punk and Ryder. They were the same people who fully supported both of them just a few months ago. I really think this flip-flopping is why the WWE is hesitant to listen to us fans. I think you give Morrison too much credit. People aren't dissing him because it's "the popular thing to do", primarily because, for the most part, not that many people are dissing him. If they have given up on him (they meaning either the fans or WWE), it's because WWE has tried to push JoMo time after time, and there's just never been a payoff: MNM broke up, he went to RAW, got the IC belt and feuded with the stars, then that went bust. Went to ECW, became ECW Champion (regardless of the circumstances), got busted for steroids. In-Crowd broke up, they tried to make him into a singles star, that went bust. JoMo has about five years of trial and error. Yet, for the talk of it being "popular with the IWC to bash Morrison", he doesn't get half of half of the flack someone like Randy Orton or The Miz, or even his ex, Melina Perez. Also, though I don't think it's relevant to the discussion, I haven't seen any criticism over Punk or Ryder. Nothing that wasn't warranted, anyway. But even if there was, is there a crime against criticizing them some time down the line? Is there a rule somewhere that if you support someone once, you have to support them forever, and I just didn't get the memo?
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Post by femmejomo on Oct 26, 2011 11:31:10 GMT -5
The truth is that many people like to diss on Morrison, because it's the popular thing to do now in IWC. But last year around this time, many of the critics were singing his praises and debated on when, not if, he was going to be a world champion. I'm now starting to see people criticize Punk and Ryder. They were the same people who fully supported both of them just a few months ago. I really think this flip-flopping is why the WWE is hesitant to listen to us fans. I respectfully disagree on a few levels: 1) I don't think anyone is dissing Morrison just because. A lot of people always have for the same reasons (uncharismatic, spot monkey, etc). I haven't seen more or less dissing now. If anything more people are defending him because of the WWE's almost obvious burying of him. 2) I haven't seen that much more criticism of Punk and Ryder, but if there is any, its because they're more exposed now than previously. Previously, Punk was an upper midcarder and occasional main eventer, as opposed to now when he's basically number 2 behind Cena. Ryder's exposure previously was relegated to Superstars and his internet show, which only a portion of this board would go out of their way to see. The numbers are made up but lets say for the sake of the argument that previously only 20 percent of the board was regularly exposed to Ryder, most of them out of their own choice and because they already liked him. Now, we have most of the board exposed to him because he's featured on television more frequently. It stands to reason that with more people exposed to him more people also aren't going to care for him. 3) I think the WWE has demonstrated a few times this year they don't care what the fans like, and by and large will just shove something down the fans throats until they get complacent and accept it. Punk and Ryder have, by and large, gotten over by their own devices, to the extent that the WWE couldn't ignore it anymore and caved in. Morrison, honestly, I would argue was one of the pet projects that kept getting pushed and never caught on like they thought they would. But that's just my opinion. 1. I agree there have always have been people who don't like Morrison. Every one's entitled to their opinion and don't mind that. As long as they're cool to me, I'm cool with them. I always respect people I can have a good discussion/debate with. I really didn't mean to talk about people on individual level, but rather the majority opinion overall. There are articles, forum posts, tweets, and facebook posts galore from end of last year talking about how great Morrison is and how he's on the edge of becoming the next big thing. Now the conversation about Morrison is when he's leaving and if we should even care. 2. I'm not sure how casual fans view Ryder and Punk. I'm talking about people I know on twitter, facebook, etc.. (not here.) They already knew Ryder and Punk well. They supported the Ryder Revolution and posted about how they wanted to see Ryder on TV more. Now, a number of them are starting to say the Ryder is overrated and not as good as they thought. With Punk it's about how amazing he was and what a rebel he is and now, it's almost like they are disappointed in him. I've heard a few people say he sold out (although I blame the storyline for some of that.) 3. I think a number of fans have gotten complacent and it is the WWE's fault. Part of it lies on how they view themselves. The wrestling part of WWE now sees itself like a dramatic serial that happens to have some wrestling in it, rather than a wrestling promotion, where the matches are a highlight. We're really not given a reason to care because it is so tightly scripted. In some cases, they do listen, like with Ryder, but yes, it takes a lot to make them do it. I disagree that Morrison was a pet project, neither was Punk or Rhodes or Ziggler. Cena and Orton were pet projects. They haven't put the time and effort into pushing JoMo or the others as they have those two. Not even close in my opinion.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 26, 2011 11:48:50 GMT -5
Easy way to save JoMo's career. Put him under a mask in a superhero style outfit, and just call him "Parkour Guy"! ...yeah, I just woke up, why?
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Post by Rican on Oct 26, 2011 11:52:28 GMT -5
Easy way to save JoMo's career. Put him under a mask in a superhero style outfit, and just call him "Parkour Guy"! ...yeah, I just woke up, why? I'm cool with this.
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Post by femmejomo on Oct 26, 2011 11:58:54 GMT -5
The truth is that many people like to diss on Morrison, because it's the popular thing to do now in IWC. But last year around this time, many of the critics were singing his praises and debated on when, not if, he was going to be a world champion. I'm now starting to see people criticize Punk and Ryder. They were the same people who fully supported both of them just a few months ago. I really think this flip-flopping is why the WWE is hesitant to listen to us fans. I think you give Morrison too much credit. People aren't dissing him because it's "the popular thing to do", primarily because, for the most part, not that many people are dissing him. If they have given up on him (they meaning either the fans or WWE), it's because WWE has tried to push JoMo time after time, and there's just never been a payoff: MNM broke up, he went to RAW, got the IC belt and feuded with the stars, then that went bust. Went to ECW, became ECW Champion (regardless of the circumstances), got busted for steroids. In-Crowd broke up, they tried to make him into a singles star, that went bust. JoMo has about five years of trial and error. Yet, for the talk of it being "popular with the IWC to bash Morrison", he doesn't get half of half of the flack someone like Randy Orton or The Miz, or even his ex, Melina Perez. Also, though I don't think it's relevant to the discussion, I haven't seen any criticism over Punk or Ryder. Nothing that wasn't warranted, anyway. But even if there was, is there a crime against criticizing them some time down the line? Is there a rule somewhere that if you support someone once, you have to support them forever, and I just didn't get the memo? I think some people are criticizing him because that's truly how they feel. I respect that. But I think a number of people are doing it because they are following a majority opinion. That's what I'm seeing. There are other instances that don't involve Morrison where I feel they do that too, like Mark Henry. A lot of people jumped on his bandwagon when he turned monster heel and then beat Orton for the WHC. I actually thought he had a great feud with Jeff Hardy back in 2006-early 2007. They have a number of memorable and fantastic matches. According to Lagana (who was an ECW writer at the time), Morrison left Raw because Vince wasn't going to do anything with him. Not because he sucked or was horrible. He went to ECW because the writers wanted him there. And while there, he really flourished. He showed lots of personality as a heel and as the ECW Champ and Tag Champ with The Miz. There's the link to the Lagana podcast with his comments above about Morrison. He mentions Miz as well. It's starts about the 6:00 mark - blip.tv/iwantwrestling/formerly-creative-5-john-carle-4851775Again, Morrison has never been a pet project. He's been pushed and depushed based on what Vince/Creative Team wants. I think that's why he did better on Smackdown/ECW - I think the writers there wanted him and pushed for him. On Raw, it's the opposite. Just because the IWC likes to bash Miz or Orton or Melina, doesn't mean they don't also like to diss Morrison. They aren't mutually exclusive or mean they do it any less. Of course, people can change their opinion of someone down the line. However, these changes of opinions are now coming at a time when these guys are starting to get pushed and exposed - which is what the new critics said they wanted and pushed for a month ago. (And personally, constant flip-flopping by fans gets on my nerves! It's a pet peeve of mine.)
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Post by femmejomo on Oct 26, 2011 11:59:53 GMT -5
Easy way to save JoMo's career. Put him under a mask in a superhero style outfit, and just call him "Parkour Guy"! ...yeah, I just woke up, why? Why am I thinking this needs to be a photoshop of some kind? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 12:03:40 GMT -5
Maybe they should put THAT on a t-shirt instead of monkeys.
"THAT PARKOUR GUY" Back: "I run on walls & stuff..."
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Oct 26, 2011 12:12:09 GMT -5
Are people liking Booker ironically? I mean, I thinks he okay, but this is awful that he forgets someones name and people are happy about it. If Cole or Lawler did it there would be hate threads. And no, Booker is not better than them otherwise to justify it. Cole has to correct him on numerous things a week I don't like anything "ironically", and I find the notion absurd. I happen to love Book as both a performer and commentator because he's entertaining and genuinely enthusiastic, like he actually wants to be there. The fact that he forgot Johnny's name is just hilarious to me. Aw come on. You're telling me you don't like some bad movies because of how bad they are, or some songs because of how silly they are? That's liking things ironically. "Ironic" gets a bad name nowadays because of the whole hipster thing, but I do think people like Booker because he's so out there and not that great at what he does. He IS good, however, at making me laugh at how bad he is.
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Post by TGM on Oct 26, 2011 12:42:38 GMT -5
Booker is gold that is all
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 26, 2011 12:50:32 GMT -5
Maybe they should put THAT on a t-shirt instead of monkeys. "THAT PARKOUR GUY" Back: "I run on walls & stuff..." He should hook up with Kingston and Bourne. They can call themselves Air Ba-Boom. Morrison could start off their matches by saying "We are Air Ba-Boom, and we're here to wrestle and do flips and stuff."
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