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Post by tmoney404 on Oct 21, 2011 17:58:28 GMT -5
This is the first WWE Shop purchase I've made in probably 12-13 years and the first time I've pre-ordered a dvd ever. Cannot wait for this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 19:55:44 GMT -5
This looks awesome.
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Post by Dean-o on Oct 21, 2011 20:05:52 GMT -5
My God, I can not wait until Tuesday for this.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Oct 21, 2011 20:08:27 GMT -5
Just got my hands on this today, and it's nothing short of incredible. Best WWE DVD in a LONG time.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Oct 21, 2011 20:10:14 GMT -5
You know, pro wrestling can be amazing sometimes. These guys were under tremendous pressure back in the day, and each thought he came correct. They beat the snot out of each other that fateful night. To see them today sitting side by side civilly, making valid points, who would have ever imagined we'd see it?
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Post by crimsonwolf on Oct 21, 2011 20:34:04 GMT -5
I hope this ends up on Netflix sometime soon.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Oct 21, 2011 20:57:28 GMT -5
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Oct 21, 2011 21:45:06 GMT -5
I still think it's kind of touching that these two finally buried the hatchet and became friends again.
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Post by Lila on Oct 21, 2011 21:52:01 GMT -5
I still think it's kind of touching that these two finally buried the hatchet and became friends again. It really is considering that they haven't been friends since about 1994-5 ish. It really makes me happy as a big fan of both to see them be friendly with each other.
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Post by KLRA on Oct 21, 2011 21:52:33 GMT -5
I still think it's kind of touching that these two finally buried the hatchet and became friends again. Ha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! There's a BIG difference between burying the hatchet and being friends. What I think mainly happened is that Bret finally decided life was to short to STAY MAD at HBK. And HBK is willing to do mostly anything to make his legacy shine just a little brighter. Where that intersects is money, dear boy.
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Post by wcw on Oct 21, 2011 22:07:40 GMT -5
I still think it's kind of touching that these two finally buried the hatchet and became friends again. Ha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! There's a BIG difference between burying the hatchet and being friends. What I think mainly happened is that Bret finally decided life was to short to STAY MAD at HBK. And HBK is willing to do mostly anything to make his legacy shine just a little brighter. Where that intersects is money, dear boy. I think he has finally just let go of his hate for Shawn and The Montreal situation. The guy is 54 life is too short to spend your golden years hating an event that was 14 and counting years ago. Does he like Shawn, likely no. Does he respect Shawn Only Bret knows that But does he hate Shawn no And I think its healthy for Bret Hart to move on and let it go. He was one of my favorites of all time and its good to see he isn't this hateful old man. The money he is making in the last few years also helps the healing process. Great DVD looking forward to it.
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Post by KLRA on Oct 21, 2011 22:24:14 GMT -5
Ha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! There's a BIG difference between burying the hatchet and being friends. What I think mainly happened is that Bret finally decided life was to short to STAY MAD at HBK. And HBK is willing to do mostly anything to make his legacy shine just a little brighter. Where that intersects is money, dear boy. I think he has finally just let go of his hate for Shawn and The Montreal situation. The guy is 54 life is too short to spend your golden years hating an event that was 14 and counting years ago. Does he like Shawn, likely no. Does he respect Shawn Only Bret knows that But does he hate Shawn no And I think its healthy for Bret Hart to move on and let it go. He was one of my favorites of all time and its good to see he isn't this hateful old man. The money he is making in the last few years also helps the healing process. Great DVD looking forward to it. Oh without a doubt Bret's let go of what happened. Does it mean he likes Shawn? Probably not. But they're at least to the point where Bret isn't threatening to walk out of an event if Shawn is EVEN IN THE BUILDING (which was one of the ultimatums of Bret's induction into the WWE Hall of Fame, that neither Shawn or Triple H would be anywhere in the vicinity). Like's been mentioned, Bret's moved on, he's not defining his life by that event anymore (I believe sitting down and finally writing his autobiography had A LOT to do with that), and is willing to leave a "healthy" legacy for his fans. And honestly it's just as big of Shawn to likely drop some of his same issues with Bret just so we can get this story.
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Post by jadison on Oct 22, 2011 4:01:26 GMT -5
I have seen the DVD. And it is good, FANs. It is very good.
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Post by Chip Jordan on Oct 22, 2011 7:18:29 GMT -5
I’m struggling to understand Bret’s point in that first video. The scenario he’s describing is simply the nature of the business, isn’t it?
If a guy wins the belt in November, everyone naturally looks towards Wrestlemania as the point where he would drop the belt to the next guy (although less so now days due to shorter title reigns).
Could he not just enjoy that title reign? There would have been plenty of guys who would have jumped to be in that position (admittedly they may not have been as capable). Did he not think HBK was worthy of replacing him as champion?
His point may become clearer when seeing the whole thing but that short clip suggests what a lot of people have been saying – Bret’s ego problems were as big as HBK’s.
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Post by preferable on Oct 22, 2011 8:49:35 GMT -5
I’m struggling to understand Bret’s point in that first video. The scenario he’s describing is simply the nature of the business, isn’t it? If a guy wins the belt in November, everyone naturally looks towards Wrestlemania as the point where he would drop the belt to the next guy (although less so now days due to shorter title reigns). Could he not just enjoy that title reign? There would have been plenty of guys who would have jumped to be in that position (admittedly they may not have been as capable). Did he not think HBK was worthy of replacing him as champion? His point may become clearer when seeing the whole thing but that short clip suggests what a lot of people have been saying – Bret’s ego problems were as big as HBK’s. I struggle to understand his point too. What annoys me is when people say stuff like 'Oh cut him some slack, he's had health problems, lost his brother etc..' - as if he's the only guy with a hard-luck story in the world. But he was clearly an insecure, whiny son of a gun before any of that. There would have been a reason why he was used as a placeholder champion and he should have been man enough to accept that. Just be grateful that he even got that chance.
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Post by dreamer75 on Oct 22, 2011 8:58:49 GMT -5
His point may become clearer when seeing the whole thing but that short clip suggests what a lot of people have been saying – Bret’s ego problems were as big as HBK’s. Maybe but Bret was also looking out for the company as well as his ego when Shawn was just looking out for his buddies and his ego. Thanks to hindsight being 20/20 Bret was somewhat right in the end: We saw how well the kliq ran WCW and WWF
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Oct 22, 2011 9:30:24 GMT -5
I think what Bret's critics are missing is that (according to Bret) Vince was going to give him at least a year long as champ in '92. Not an unreasonable expectation - who better to put a new champ over than Ric Flair? I was watching highlight videos on you tube from Bret's first title run and it's easy to forget that Bret was given a MASSIVE push as champ. He was being built not as a superhero like Hogan and Warrior, but a fighting champion with a superb work ethic. And, you could still see him on free TV. But then Vince brought Hogan back and whatever happened between Hulk and Vince, it wad decided that Bret drop the belt to Yokozuna and have Yokie drop to Hogan at the end of the show. What, then happened to that push? Why did a year long run wind up being chopped in half? Why was a promised run with Hogan scuttled and Bret put in a feud with a past-his-prime Jerry Lawler? And yet despite this, Bret did his best in that program. Lawler played the heel beautifully and Bret was remarkably over - the Summerslam match had tremendous drama despite Lawler being older.
Judging from that first year, I can't blame Bret for being skeptical and suspicious anytime Vince wanted to put the belt on him in subsequent years. With Hogan burying him, he had to feel like someone pulled the rug underneath him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2011 10:02:53 GMT -5
I’m struggling to understand Bret’s point in that first video. The scenario he’s describing is simply the nature of the business, isn’t it? If a guy wins the belt in November, everyone naturally looks towards Wrestlemania as the point where he would drop the belt to the next guy (although less so now days due to shorter title reigns). Could he not just enjoy that title reign? There would have been plenty of guys who would have jumped to be in that position (admittedly they may not have been as capable). Did he not think HBK was worthy of replacing him as champion? His point may become clearer when seeing the whole thing but that short clip suggests what a lot of people have been saying – Bret’s ego problems were as big as HBK’s. I struggle to understand his point too. What annoys me is when people say stuff like 'Oh cut him some slack, he's had health problems, lost his brother etc..' - as if he's the only guy with a hard-luck story in the world. But he was clearly an insecure, whiny son of a gun before any of that. There would have been a reason why he was used as a placeholder champion and he should have been man enough to accept that. Just be grateful that he even got that chance. I don't think it's fair to say "shut up and live with it". There's nothing wrong in being confident in your abilities and feeling you deserve more. Bret Hart did everything that was asked of him, the only time he ever really caused a ruckus was building to up to Montreal. He still put Michaels over huge and worked awesomely with other members of the kliq in spite of his reservations. He's a guy who worked hard to get to where he was, knew he had the skills to back it up and felt like he was under appreciated. Those feelings never affected his work so I'd say let him have those feelings.
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Post by preferable on Oct 22, 2011 10:11:31 GMT -5
I struggle to understand his point too. What annoys me is when people say stuff like 'Oh cut him some slack, he's had health problems, lost his brother etc..' - as if he's the only guy with a hard-luck story in the world. But he was clearly an insecure, whiny son of a gun before any of that. There would have been a reason why he was used as a placeholder champion and he should have been man enough to accept that. Just be grateful that he even got that chance. I don't think it's fair to say "shut up and live with it". There's nothing wrong in being confident in your abilities and feeling you deserve more. Bret Hart did everything that was asked of him, the only time he ever really caused a ruckus was building to up to Montreal. He still put Michaels over huge and worked awesomely with other members of the kliq in spite of his reservations. He's a guy who worked hard to get to where he was, knew he had the skills to back it up and felt like he was under appreciated. Those feelings never affected his work so I'd say let him have those feelings. I don't deny he worked hard but the entertainment industry isn't a democratic thing. People don't become 'the guy' just because it's their turn or they've waited long enough or they've worked hard at it. You don't become Elvis and the Beatles just through it being 'owed' to you. It just...happens. Some people are able to draw people in and others are not. Bret only got the position he had because post-steroid investigation a lot of the guys had left. It wasn't as if he got the spot through ploughing through a particularly strong group. He didn't become a 'break out' star on a card with Savage, Hogan, Roberts, Piper, Flair, Warrior. He was just given a chance when Vince literally had nothing else left as a viable option. Even then it wasn't for the lack of trying to find them. Just look at how retrospectively DESPERATE the whole Lex Luger thing was. In 1994 it wasn't that Vince wanted Bret the champion - he had just completely ran out of other options.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 22, 2011 11:29:37 GMT -5
maybe I'm misinterpreting what Bret's problem was. I think his problem was they didn't really build up the match as HBK vs the Hitman. Instead it was Shawn Michaels living out his life long dream. So he, as the champ and man whose supposed to pass the torch, was treated as an afterthought during the entire build to Wrestlemania.
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