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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 10, 2011 17:00:04 GMT -5
That I think really benefits them and is to the detriment of WWE and other companies-
You don't see their top stars in action that often.
Your guys may get a fight once, maybe twice a year, so if you're a fan of GSP, or Brock, or Silva, or Cain or whoever; when the time comes that they are on the card you're like " I'VE GOTTA SEE THAT." and you plunk down your cash, or if you're like me head to a sports bar and make sure you don't miss those fights.
In the Hulkamania era, wrestling did much the same. If you wanted to see Hogan, Macho Man or the top, top guys wrestle, in general you'd only get to see it maybe on a rare Saturday Night's Main Event or something like that; but in general outside of promos, you were having to pay to see that.
The Attitude Era, with competition making every second of tv valuable ruined that somewhat. To the point that a lot of times it's overkill and you get sick of the guys on top quite a bit quicker.
Don't get me wrong, for all the comparisons you can make of MMA and pro wrestling, and the overlap of many fans; there are as many differences in the two as there are similarities.
However this is something UFC excels at that wrestling used to do; make people appreciate your top stars by making their appearances something people anticipate and get excited for.
Understandably, with multiple hours of tv per week, and a ppv every month, there'd be not much way to have say Cena only show up once a month etc. However, limiting his or your main guys in-ring appearances to far less than they do now would seem to be an easy way to ramp up fans wanting to pay to see them. They could still appear nearly every week, either with promos and vignettes, but if you wanted to see them in the ring, you'd have to put your money down.
This would have the additional effect of being able to feature lower card guys in matches more as that would be the bulk of your in-ring stuff per show. Maybe have Orton, Cena at all have a match once a month or so; but something different than the endless 'main eventers in a tag match' we have now. If nothing else, it's not as if there's competition now to worry about the audience switching the channel to see. ( Granted in the larger sense, every tv show is competition, but you know what I mean.)
It just seems like scaling back a bit in that area would both heighten peoples enjoyment AND in the long run prove more profitable.
Just a thought.
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Post by Parker Stiles on Oct 10, 2011 17:02:45 GMT -5
Sonnen > Austin
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Post by Parker Stiles on Oct 10, 2011 17:04:10 GMT -5
but in seriously as a fan of the UFC they have a few fighters you never want to miss whether by love or hate.
GSP, Brock, Jon Jones, Anderson Silva
then you have like great fighters like Leben, Clay Guida, Diego Sanchez who I'd compare to great Indy wrestlers people love
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 17:06:00 GMT -5
The thing is, I don't see how you could possibly move back to a model like that given the way WWE's conditioned people not to care about the midcard. Besides that, it'd render most of the TV pointless - I know there are people who would love to see the return of shows being nothing but jobber matches or whatever, but I have no idea why. Squash matches are boring as hell and don't really help at all.
Not really related to your point, just bared mentioning. And I can't see anyone going out of their way to watch Raw for its main event of Kofi Kingston vs. Tyler Reks.
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Post by Supercheese on Oct 10, 2011 17:08:39 GMT -5
The reason they were allowed to do this in the Attitude Era is the fact they don't have a ridiculous brand split with two heavyweight titles.
For each title to be important they need end the brand split and have 6 or 7 people rotating in feuds for the title instead of the same 3 for the past how many months on both Raw and Smackdown?
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Post by Cronant on Oct 10, 2011 17:09:05 GMT -5
Its not really feasible in the current WWE climate. You could at best get away with maybe one of the top guys on RAW cutting promos for a month. Maybe.
The guys who are on PPV need to be visible, and they need to further storylines to sell PPVs, and a few minor appearances cutting promos here or there isn't going to cut it.
RAW and SD attendance would drop too.
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Post by cool guy on Oct 10, 2011 17:11:31 GMT -5
It's a great business model for the UFC, but I think it'd be a silly thing for the WWE to go back to. Honestly, all the WWE really needs to do is book some compelling storylines. It's just that they can't seem to manage that.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 10, 2011 17:16:19 GMT -5
They even did this with the nwo angle. Up until mid-97 you rarely ever saw the nwo wrestle (and even when they did, 9 times out of 10 it was the b-team), just cut promos and do run-ins.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 10, 2011 17:20:26 GMT -5
You can blame the Bisch for this one. Eric Bischoff decided to start putting on PPV quality main events on Nitro to stick it to Vince and Raw. Once the Attitude Era started, Vince was given no choice but to counteract in kind.
Personally, I'm of the mind that the big titles should never be defended on free tv. You want to see the WWE or World Title defended? Go to a house show or order a PPV. In the mean time, here's our US or Intercontinental Title main event.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 10, 2011 17:22:18 GMT -5
I think if they cycled the main event and midcard players a little better, guys would get a little less stale.
With Big Show vs. Mark Henry positioned as a Smackdown main event, why not have Cody and Randy have an extended feud for the IC title? It would help elevate Cody, restore some prestige to the IC title, and prevent Orton's Apex Predator gimmick from getting stale by overexposure.
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Post by molson5 on Oct 10, 2011 17:27:31 GMT -5
I think they could scale bag the free tv main events, and include some jobber matches (teach the fans how entertaining those can be again).
At the very least, the distinction between then and now in wrestling is important to understand the context of why things are different. Everyone talks about how great the midcard was then with Steamboat/Savage. But really, Steamboat/Savage was the TV main event program. Those were the biggest stars who wrestled on TV. The equivalent to today's TV midcard, back then, would be the Warlord, Ron Bass, and Koko B. Ware.
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Post by cool guy on Oct 10, 2011 17:40:15 GMT -5
I feel like a lot of you people actually want to deprive yourself of enjoyable matches for the sake of the company. It's weird. I think if they cycled the main event and midcard players a little better, guys would get a little less stale. With Big Show vs. Mark Henry positioned as a Smackdown main event, why not have Cody and Randy have an extended feud for the IC title? It would help elevate Cody, restore some prestige to the IC title, and prevent Orton's Apex Predator gimmick from getting stale by overexposure. See, I think something like this may actually be a good idea. Maybe not for the IC title, but putting someone like orton in a midcard feud once in a while couldn't hurt. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 17:41:49 GMT -5
I will grant that if this marked the end of the stupid bi-weekly, "Huge multi-man tag match where the faces always win!" thing, I would welcome the change.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 10, 2011 17:46:58 GMT -5
I think if they cycled the main event and midcard players a little better, guys would get a little less stale. With Big Show vs. Mark Henry positioned as a Smackdown main event, why not have Cody and Randy have an extended feud for the IC title? It would help elevate Cody, restore some prestige to the IC title, and prevent Orton's Apex Predator gimmick from getting stale by overexposure. See, I think something like this may actually be a good idea. Maybe not for the IC title, but putting someone like orton in a midcard feud once in a while couldn't hurt. See, the reason why Randy should go for the IC title is because the midcard titles are devalued for a reason. While most guys on the roster would kill for them, it's the guys that really matter the most that don't. Fans don't care because the John Cena's and Randy Orton's are unconcerned with those titles. Have them go for the titles on occassion, and then they will matter a lot more. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 17:50:09 GMT -5
See, I think something like this may actually be a good idea. Maybe not for the IC title, but putting someone like orton in a midcard feud once in a while couldn't hurt. See, the reason why Randy should go for the IC title is because the midcard titles are devalued for a reason. While most guys on the roster would kill for them, it's the guys that really matter the most that don't. Fans don't care because the John Cena's and Randy Orton's are unconcerned with those titles. Have them go for the titles on occassion, and then they will matter a lot more. Reminds me of how when Flair was beating Triple H at Taboo Tuesday, the Intercontinental title was on the line, then when Trips was going over the next month at Survivor Series it wasn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 18:02:57 GMT -5
I think something that could help keep the top guys fresh would be to book them against mid carders at least some of the time. I remember the Rock randomly defending against guys like Al Snow occasionally. It gets old when you see the same combinations of guys every week.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 10, 2011 18:13:49 GMT -5
Speaking of the main eventers defending against lower card guys every once in a while...how outstanding would it be if they revisited the Triple H/Taka match where they made it seem Taka had a chance at winning? Maybe Alberto del Rio defending against Evan Bourne or Zack Ryder on Raw. I just find matches like that fun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 18:19:11 GMT -5
Speaking of the main eventers defending against lower card guys every once in a while...how outstanding would it be if they revisited the Triple H/Taka match where they made it seem Taka had a chance at winning? Maybe Alberto del Rio defending against Evan Bourne or Zack Ryder on Raw. I just find matches like that fun. Only example I can think of, besides occasional joke ones like the Sheamus / Ryder, JBL / Moore, and Lesnar / Moore matches, in recent memory was Sheamus defending against Goldust on one Raw where they acknowledged that Goldust was the first guy in the company to beat him. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 18:20:06 GMT -5
The issue with that being is that now with the main guys wrestling so much, they have to have them in action each week or involved in some way. If you don't, people who showed up to see them get pissed. If I went to a Raw assuming...say...CM Punk would be there in some capacity and he never shows up and it's never said why, kayfabe or legit (injured), then i'd be angry.
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Oct 10, 2011 18:30:17 GMT -5
|Also due to the fact that it is more easy to get injured in an UFC event, Performers need time to recover. I don't know if they have rules about someone fighting with stitches.
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