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Post by moneyman20 on Oct 11, 2011 22:21:54 GMT -5
Brock loves the term "chickens***". Here and on the Ultimate Fighter. Every episode was about "Making chicken salad from chickens***".
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 11, 2011 22:31:58 GMT -5
I'm wondering if I'm in a minority in wanting to see Lesnar back on the roster again.
Three main event level feuds I could see for a Heel Lensar: Lesnar vs. Punk (Punk going pipe-bomb on Lesnar would be a problem though) Lesnar vs. Cena (possible reference their last mini-feud back in 03.) Lesnar vs. Sheamus (Just cause I wanna see them lock up)
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 11, 2011 22:40:57 GMT -5
I'm wondering if I'm in a minority in wanting to see Lesnar back on the roster again. Three main event level feuds I could see for a Heel Lensar: Lesnar vs. Punk (Punk going pipe-bomb on Lesnar would be a problem though) Lesnar vs. Cena (possible reference their last mini-feud back in 03.) Lesnar vs. Sheamus (Just cause I wanna see them lock up) Love to see Brock back. I really want to see him v. Trips and v. Cena.
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Post by avenger on Oct 11, 2011 22:47:37 GMT -5
Austin pulled a lot of crap around that time. Not wanting to work Hogan, refusing to put over Hall, walking out, coming back, not putting over Lesnar, walking out again. Of course, you can't blame him in retrospect (given Hall's track record and Brock quitting), but at the time he screwed the company over royally. I think he knew he was done. Stuff like this really reminds you that Vince has either changed the way they market guys, or just got lucky that this current generation of main eventers are more dedicated to the company/business than guys like Austin, Rock, Goldberg and Brock were. Times have slowly changed. Austin was allegedly held down in the USWA by Jerry Jarrett, and then by Flair in WCW, and has also seen the likes of Michaels refusing to job when he reached the top - so one Austin reached the top, this was him protecting his spot like others before him. Austin refused to work with Jeff Jarrett when he first hit the main event, but that was the only thing he pulled before the latter end of his run. In the 80s, it was common for top to upper midcard guys refusing to job (Hogan, Piper, JYD, Road Warriors), which is where Michaels (who would have been on the wrong end too in his early career), and then Austin and HHH (ditto) would have done the same as to protect their spot, as that was what they would have learned in terms of how the business works. It doesn't happen anywhere near as much, because look at who your top guys are. Cena never got held down, neither was Orton, Edge, CM Punk, Del Rio - none of these guys have experienced people refusing to put them over, so they don't feel the need to protect their spot in the way that others did before them. While I think it's immensely hypocritical that Austin is given a free pass by the sort of fans who work themselves up into vitrolic outrage over Hogan or any of the Kliq, Lesnar comes across as a complete mark for himself, the way he always does. It feels like he's decided to stop disparaging WWE and start making overtures towards them again because he's now realized that getting his ass beaten up in a real fight is even more humiliating than having it happen in a fake one. Good luck with getting that Undertaker match at 'Mania that you're begging for, buddy. I'll give ya the 'complete mark for himself' maybe, as Brock does always seem to think pretty highly of himself; but don't get the rest of that at all given that he's lost a grand total of two fights ever, and conceivably in the near future be right back in title contention for the UFC heavyweight belt as a rematch with Cain or a title fight with Dos Santos depending on their fight and provided Brock wins his next one would do huge amounts of $$$. If anything I think it'd be the other way around, the 'E could use him a lot more than he needs to 'beg' them for anything. I do think it's cool they appear to have a cordial relationship now. Lesnar's smart - he could conceivably go in the wrestlng business on a light schedule until 2020 (when he'd be 42) and beyond. Could an MMA career could last long? He's keeping his options open as he knows that he has the drawing power to come into the WWE and raise buyrates singlehandedly (not to the levels he gets in MMA, and not long term), and he also knows that Vince knows that. After The Rock, he's the number one acquisition on Vince's list, and as long as he sounds open to offers, he's still going to have huge bargaining power, even if his MMA stock (or MMA as a whole) dips,
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Post by avenger on Oct 11, 2011 22:54:54 GMT -5
I'm wondering if I'm in a minority in wanting to see Lesnar back on the roster again. Three main event level feuds I could see for a Heel Lensar: Lesnar vs. Punk (Punk going pipe-bomb on Lesnar would be a problem though) Lesnar vs. Cena (possible reference their last mini-feud back in 03.) Lesnar vs. Sheamus (Just cause I wanna see them lock up) Another reason why Lesnar would be so marketable - every feud would be fresh.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 11, 2011 22:56:10 GMT -5
I'm wondering if I'm in a minority in wanting to see Lesnar back on the roster again. Three main event level feuds I could see for a Heel Lensar: Lesnar vs. Punk (Punk going pipe-bomb on Lesnar would be a problem though) Lesnar vs. Cena (possible reference their last mini-feud back in 03.) Lesnar vs. Sheamus (Just cause I wanna see them lock up) Another reason why Lesnar would be so marketable - every feud would be fresh. Unless they did another Lesnar/Show feud.
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Post by Deadman Inc on Oct 11, 2011 23:22:16 GMT -5
While I think it's immensely hypocritical that Austin is given a free pass by the sort of fans who work themselves up into vitrolic outrage over Hogan or any of the Kliq, Lesnar comes across as a complete mark for himself, the way he always does. This has always struck me as odd as well, and this is coming from someone who is a big Austin fan as well. While I can agree that big blow offs should happen on PPV, what Austin did was just childish. He deserved the bashing he got at the time, and I can remember JR really laying into him about it. But he seems to get alot more slack here for his shenanigans than others do. Seems like he's also implying that he'd only want to do it if he would get the win. That whole "if I'm not getting something out of it" bit. You're getting a big payday, buddy.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 11, 2011 23:31:27 GMT -5
Seems like he's also implying that he'd only want to do it if he would get the win. That whole "if I'm not getting something out of it" bit. You're getting a big payday, buddy. The thing is, unlike most ex-WWE guys coming back to work temporarily for the WWE, Lesnar's still in the public eye. Him jobbing to someone isn't going to make him look good when he goes back to MMA. And money doesn't really help with that, and it's not like he's in any desperate need for it either.
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Post by corndog on Oct 11, 2011 23:39:08 GMT -5
Austin pulled a lot of crap around that time. Not wanting to work Hogan, refusing to put over Hall, walking out, coming back, not putting over Lesnar, walking out again. Of course, you can't blame him in retrospect (given Hall's track record and Brock quitting), but at the time he screwed the company over royally. I think he knew he was done. Stuff like this really reminds you that Vince has either changed the way they market guys, or just got lucky that this current generation of main eventers are more dedicated to the company/business than guys like Austin, Rock, Goldberg and Brock were. People wonder why Vince continues to push Cena as the company guy even though half of the fans despise him. It's pretty simple, Cena is not popular enough to ever get to the Rock, Austin, Hogan, Goldberg and Lesnar's level. He will always need the WWE more than the WWE needs him. I think Vince tried to do the same with Bret and Michaels, but Shawn was still a pain in the butt. The only problem is the WWE will continue to suffer low buyrates, attendence and ratings if they don't push the right guys. As far as all of Austin's crap he pulled, in retrospect he usually had bad history with the guy or a good reason. Lesnar was probably the only time he was completely in the wrong, although it should have been saved for a ppv, he should have done the job. Although in the past Austin had no problem putting over younger talent, he did the same for the Rock, Jericho and RVD. The funny thing is Austin made the right decision with most of these people. Lesnar turned his back on the company, Hall fell off the wagon shortly after WM, Jarrett proved to be an egomaniac who should be nowhere near the main event, and Hogan would have drawn tons of money. But it sounds like him and Hogan had bad blood from WCW.
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Post by Cam on Oct 12, 2011 2:37:36 GMT -5
Ol' Stone Cold had this to say about Brock's comments on Twitter....
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Oct 12, 2011 2:46:27 GMT -5
Last time I saw the two of them together, Lesnar ate a Stunner. With Brock being as badass as he is, that would merit some s*** talking until they met again.
Austin vs. Lesnar at WM 28. Rocky be damned (and I love The Rock), book it.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 12, 2011 2:48:10 GMT -5
Last time I saw the two of them together, Lesnar eat a Stunner. With Brock being as badass as he is, that would merit some s*** talking until they met again. Austin vs. Lesnar at WM 28. Rocky be damned (and I love The Rock), book it. Now you're making a tough choice...Austin vs. Lesnar or Austin vs. Punk...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 2:59:20 GMT -5
Last time I saw the two of them together, Lesnar eat a Stunner. With Brock being as badass as he is, that would merit some s*** talking until they met again. Austin vs. Lesnar at WM 28. Rocky be damned (and I love The Rock), book it. Now you're making a tough choice...Austin vs. Lesnar or Austin vs. Punk... I'm one of those who doesn't see the appeal of Austin vs. Punk. The smark in me would love to see Austin vs. Lesnar though.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Oct 12, 2011 3:10:41 GMT -5
Now you're making a tough choice...Austin vs. Lesnar or Austin vs. Punk... I'm one of those who doesn't see the appeal of Austin vs. Punk. The smark in me would love to see Austin vs. Lesnar though. Yeah, same here. I mean... what IF Austin kicked Brock's ass? That would be deep fried gold. With Punk it's kind of an ethical battle, but with Lesnar it's pure saltiness spilling over. I like that.
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Post by joebob27 on Oct 12, 2011 3:18:20 GMT -5
It'll never happen either because of Brock's dislike of the schedule or because of his illness. Could see him doing something if his MMA career falls apart or he's just too sick to train and get the crap beaten out of him once every 3-4 months... but working full-time (even without the road schedule)... no way.
He's also disconnected from the current WRESTLING audience. WWE hasn't really touched him since he left. 8 years is a long time and he's going to have to bring in an outside audience to be worth it.
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Post by FallOverBoy on Oct 12, 2011 5:11:08 GMT -5
It'll never happen either because of Brock's dislike of the schedule or because of his illness. Could see him doing something if his MMA career falls apart or he's just too sick to train and get the crap beaten out of him once every 3-4 months... but working full-time (even without the road schedule)... no way. He's also disconnected from the current WRESTLING audience. WWE hasn't really touched him since he left. 8 years is a long time and he's going to have to bring in an outside audience to be worth it. Honestly, I think we'll see Brock back in WWE eventually. MMA is obvisouly his first priority, but the thing about Lesnar is I think he'll only do something if he can be best at it, and while he could probably do UFC for years and years to come, illness permitting, his time left at the top is more limited. I agree the schedule would be an issue, I doubt he'd ever consider going back on the road full time. I guess it all depends on if the two parties could work something out. I'd imagine the main issue would be if Vince is willing to offer a reduced Undertaker-type schedule, something he seems to only offer a very limited ammount of people, to a guy that walked out on him last time. Well, not really walked out I suppose, but you what I mean, walked away.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 12, 2011 5:39:50 GMT -5
At the time I was very pissed off at Austin for not doing the job, but in retrospect Brock is an ungrateful swine so screw him.
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Post by Wolfaga on Oct 12, 2011 8:44:00 GMT -5
I like the 'Taker teaser. with that and the other little tidbit with Taker during Lesnar's Loss. I have a feeling it's them two.
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Post by The Tee Why on Oct 12, 2011 11:02:36 GMT -5
I like both Lesnar and Austin alot, but I really gotta go with Austin on this one. The match woulda been pretty damn cool to see but from what I heard(lolnewz) it was to be a pretty cut and dry fast squash type match. Which woulda been kinda pointless.
Lesnar is a **** talker though, I'm sure he knows austin didnt oppose to putting him over, but I doubt Lesnar cares.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Oct 12, 2011 11:05:42 GMT -5
I like both Lesnar and Austin alot, but I really gotta go with Austin on this one. The match woulda been pretty damn cool to see but from what I heard(lolnewz) it was to be a pretty cut and dry fast squash type match. Which woulda been kinda pointless. Lesnar is a **** talker though, I'm sure he knows austin didnt oppose to putting him over, but I doubt Lesnar cares. But the thing is, Austin refused, flat out, to do his job. He had his reasons, sure, and I even half agree with them, but the point is, when push comes to shove, if your boss asks you to do something, and it won't cause some kind of irreparable harm to you, you do it. That's just being professional.
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