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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 12, 2011 16:52:07 GMT -5
We generally forgive those we love. The older generation will forgive Hogan, the next generations finds excuses for Michaels and Austin. Just the way it is.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 12, 2011 17:01:55 GMT -5
At the time I was very pissed off at Austin for not doing the job, but in retrospect Brock is an ungrateful swine so screw him. How's that? Because he wanted to go for a dream and try football? Because he wanted to give UFC a try?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 12, 2011 17:07:14 GMT -5
To be fair, if I was Brock, I wouldn't believe Austin either.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 12, 2011 17:09:05 GMT -5
Ol' Stone Cold had this to say about Brock's comments on Twitter.... Might as well relax Steve, doing anything else wouldn't go too well for ya in all honesty.
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Post by Son of Abyss on Oct 12, 2011 17:27:34 GMT -5
I like Brock but this something that happened 9 years ago. From the last UFC he headlined against Cain it seemed that Austin was a big supporter of his during the interview he did at the event. If I recall correctly he was even shown hanging out with Brock in his locker room. Austin even stated during his Hall of Fame Induction speech that the biggest regret of his career was walking out on Brock. At the time he had his reasons but it was still a dick move. It's been so long it doesn't seem sensible to call out some one your cool with publicly. I don't think Austin's implying that he's gong respond physically with his tweets just that he's feeling like WTF.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 12, 2011 17:35:35 GMT -5
At the time I was very pissed off at Austin for not doing the job, but in retrospect Brock is an ungrateful swine so screw him. How's that? Because he wanted to go for a dream and try football? Because he wanted to give UFC a try? Wait you didn't know that if you become a professional wrestler you have to give your life to that business until you die or you're an ungrateful bastard?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 12, 2011 18:49:09 GMT -5
I like Brock but this something that happened 9 years ago. From the last UFC he headlined against Cain it seemed that Austin was a big supporter of his during the interview he did at the event. If I recall correctly he was even shown hanging out with Brock in his locker room. Austin even stated during his Hall of Fame Induction speech that the biggest regret of his career was walking out on Brock. At the time he had his reasons but it was still a dick move. It's been so long it doesn't seem sensible to call out some one your cool with publicly. I don't think Austin's implying that he's gong respond physically with his tweets just that he's feeling like WTF. Oh I know, it was just funnier envisioning him actually trying to do something.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Oct 12, 2011 18:52:08 GMT -5
I like both Lesnar and Austin alot, but I really gotta go with Austin on this one. The match woulda been pretty damn cool to see but from what I heard(lolnewz) it was to be a pretty cut and dry fast squash type match. Which woulda been kinda pointless. Lesnar is a **** talker though, I'm sure he knows austin didnt oppose to putting him over, but I doubt Lesnar cares. But the thing is, Austin refused, flat out, to do his job. He had his reasons, sure, and I even half agree with them, but the point is, when push comes to shove, if your boss asks you to do something, and it won't cause some kind of irreparable harm to you, you do it. That's just being professional. I'm with you there, but for me personally, I just have a hard time being sympathetic towards someone who has such a high opinion of themselves. It's kinda weird how the current generation of main eventers don't seem to act nearly as much like divas as the previous.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 12, 2011 18:55:51 GMT -5
How's that? Because he wanted to go for a dream and try football? Because he wanted to give UFC a try? Wait you didn't know that if you become a professional wrestler you have to give your life to that business until you die or you're an ungrateful bastard? I didn't know Hogan posts on this board.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 12, 2011 18:58:15 GMT -5
But the thing is, Austin refused, flat out, to do his job. He had his reasons, sure, and I even half agree with them, but the point is, when push comes to shove, if your boss asks you to do something, and it won't cause some kind of irreparable harm to you, you do it. That's just being professional. I'm with you there, but for me personally, I just have a hard time being sympathetic towards someone who has such a high opinion of themselves. It's kinda weird how the current generation of main eventers don't seem to act nearly as much like divas as the previous. Brock kinda is what he is. He comes across as every alpha male uberjock meathead because he kinda is. That said, I love the guy even though I usually hate that attitude because he absolutely, positively doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks. Admittedly that can make him less than endearing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 19:15:02 GMT -5
How's that? Because he wanted to go for a dream and try football? Because he wanted to give UFC a try? Wait you didn't know that if you become a professional wrestler you have to give your life to that business until you die or you're an ungrateful bastard? That is the funny thing. If you leave the business on top of your game, then you are branded ungrateful (Warrior, Rock, Lesnar, etc). If you stay into your 50's because you have no other option, then you are branded an old fart who can't let go of the past (Hogan, Flair, etc). So leave early or stay late, and you will be bashed either way. There is no winning with wrestling fans.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 12, 2011 19:21:16 GMT -5
Wait you didn't know that if you become a professional wrestler you have to give your life to that business until you die or you're an ungrateful bastard? That is the funny thing. If you leave the business on top of your game, then you are branded ungrateful (Warrior, Rock, Lesnar, etc). If you stay into your 50's because you have no other option, then you are branded an old fart who can't let go of the past (Hogan, Flair, etc). So leave early or stay late, and you will be bashed either way. There is no winning with wrestling fans. The trick might be taking frequent sabbaticals ala Piper, Jericho, et al.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Oct 12, 2011 21:07:09 GMT -5
That is the funny thing. If you leave the business on top of your game, then you are branded ungrateful (Warrior, Rock, Lesnar, etc). If you stay into your 50's because you have no other option, then you are branded an old fart who can't let go of the past (Hogan, Flair, etc). So leave early or stay late, and you will be bashed either way. There is no winning with wrestling fans. The trick might be taking frequent sabbaticals ala Piper, Jericho, et al. Piper was seen as one of the old folks taking up time on TV in WCW and Jericho got some complaints for defending WWE, being on Dancing With the Stars and his band instead of wrestling, and criticizing Miz for ripping him off. As for the current generation not being divas, that's because they probably have little if any clout to begin with. They're independent contractors yet they apparently have little say in what they do on TV. They can't really go anywhere else if they want to get the same pay they're getting now. So it's either be quiet until the inevitable release or complain too much and get released. Also, Randy Orton.
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Post by flatsdomino on Oct 12, 2011 21:18:06 GMT -5
Hogan apparently said the same thing with Lesnar in that he didn't want to face him on regular tv and wanted to be built up to it in which he'd then put Brock over on PPV. Wait hold up one thing...why the HELL were they having Austin be in the KOTR tourney, and get eliminated in a QUALIFIER?! That's such crap booking I'd have not only walked out but probably begged to not be allowed back in so I wouldn't have to deal with booking that stupid. stupid they were right then and there. King of the Ring FINAL? Maybe, ESPECIALLY if Brock cuts a cocky promo at the end to bookend Austin-Jake in '96. That would have been dope.
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Post by Sam Punk on Oct 13, 2011 11:20:48 GMT -5
Wasn't it put to rest already that Austin wanted the match done on PPV, the request was denied, and Austin took his ball afterwards? Is Brock missing that little piece of info? Even though I agree that Austin vs. Lesnar was a PPV match and not a RAW match it still doesn't excuse the way Austin acted imo. Can you imagine Cena, upon being told that he was wrestling Rey Mysterio in a WWE title match on RAW, saying "Nope. I'm not doing it. That's a PPV match, not a TV match." then getting on a plane, going home and refusing to answer anyone's calls? Big difference between Mysterio and Lesnar. Mysterio has been involved in wrestling since 1989. You knew he was dedicated. Lesnar had only been wrestling for two years at the time. What if he decided to quit and join the nfl? There would be no long term benefit to the business.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Oct 13, 2011 11:49:34 GMT -5
Even though I agree that Austin vs. Lesnar was a PPV match and not a RAW match it still doesn't excuse the way Austin acted imo. Can you imagine Cena, upon being told that he was wrestling Rey Mysterio in a WWE title match on RAW, saying "Nope. I'm not doing it. That's a PPV match, not a TV match." then getting on a plane, going home and refusing to answer anyone's calls? Big difference between Mysterio and Lesnar. Mysterio has been involved in wrestling since 1989. You knew he was dedicated. Lesnar had only been wrestling for two years at the time. What if he decided to quit and join the nfl? There would be no long term benefit to the business. Again, Austin was asked to do a job, and instead of being a professional and doing it, or hell, even trying to reasonably negotiate a new, mutually beneficial ending, he threw a hissy fit and walked out. I have no sympathy for him.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Oct 13, 2011 11:53:36 GMT -5
Big difference between Mysterio and Lesnar. Mysterio has been involved in wrestling since 1989. You knew he was dedicated. Lesnar had only been wrestling for two years at the time. What if he decided to quit and join the nfl? There would be no long term benefit to the business. Again, Austin was asked to do a job, and instead of being a professional and doing it, or hell, even trying to reasonably negotiate a new, mutually beneficial ending, he threw a hissy fit and walked out. I have no sympathy for him. He did try to negotiate though. It just that he wanted it to be a PPV match instead.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Oct 13, 2011 11:55:25 GMT -5
Again, Austin was asked to do a job, and instead of being a professional and doing it, or hell, even trying to reasonably negotiate a new, mutually beneficial ending, he threw a hissy fit and walked out. I have no sympathy for him. He did try to negotiate though. It just that he wanted it to be a PPV match instead. Then, when he was told no, he should have sucked it up and done his job.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 13, 2011 12:11:45 GMT -5
Hell even writing in in such a way where he was feigning an injury would be better, cuz at least that would give em some sorta storyline out.
Could even make that a character thing with Brock. " He didn't want to face the Rattlesnake, so Brock jumped him in the parking lot/backstage/etc. He'll get a buy, damn that bastard!"*
Then you could book it to where it's not on regular tv, thus clearing up his objections, AND have that match on a ppv where it should be down the road, possibly even post Brock title win.
* Sorry I began to hear it in JR voice.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 13, 2011 15:29:24 GMT -5
Actually, it did screw up plans, as eddie guerrero was going to interfere in that match, therefore setting up austin/eddie at KOTR. However, i can see both sides of the story, even adding in the eddie interfered arguement that makes brock look weaker, since he needed someone else to help him beat austin (at this time brock was an unstoppable monster who was still undefeated AFAIK).
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