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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 13, 2011 5:17:25 GMT -5
He might've been calling for another Paul on the production crew. Or Paul London. "WHERE ARE YOU PAUL? I NEED YOUR GOOFY GRIN NOW MORE THAN EVER!" I think he was calling for Paul Simon.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Sept 13, 2011 5:21:54 GMT -5
I was surprised they let the F bomb be dropped It is live TV after all. They might not have caught it in time. Don't forget DX S&P: Between the hours of 9 and 10, we will only use the words ass, damn, hell, and bitch.
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Post by celticjobber on Sept 13, 2011 5:28:23 GMT -5
I watched the East Coast USA feed and the F-bomb was muted. Some of you seem to have heard it uncensored. Did it go un-muted in other countries?
Honestly, this was one of my least favorite segments between HHH and Punk. I thought it was a little too "inside" (likely going over most WWE fans' heads), and Punk almost came off as a cowardly heel by taking a cheapshot with the mic on Trips.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 5:32:25 GMT -5
On Sky Sports it must have been muted out as I didn't hear it, not that I mind really, one f*** won't add much to my interest of the match.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 13, 2011 7:22:35 GMT -5
They've REALLY been getting good at blurring the lines of kayfabe nowadays. Between the worked-shoots ending Raws, the articles on WWE.com, and the semi-kayfabe twitter accounts, it seems they're finally figuring out how to embrace kayfabe in this day and age. I agree, it's great. It's so much more effective and entertaining than the "everything is fake but this" style that most feds use when they want something to feel real. I don't know, it's still kind of "everything's fake but this", but in a different way. It's now "Everyone's fake but me" coming from Punk. I realize that nobody has the verbal nastiness to keep up with him in a "tear your credibility apart" mic battle, but with nobody being able to rebut him (and HHH being the only one to try, as Miz and R-Truth's "You ARE the establishement now, Punk!" stuff is more or less being ignored), why should anyone have any logical reason to disagree and take any interest in anyone else? Some other people are going to need to start getting involved in this.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 13, 2011 7:22:41 GMT -5
I will say, they had me suspend disbelief when HHH got in Punk's face and Punk dropped the name-bombs. WWE does a great job with worked shoots and blurring reality Really? That's the only part of the promo that I actually groaned at. I don't really think there's anything wrong with Punk dropping their real names but it seemed pointless at the same time. Really reminded me of TNA or late WCW. It was still much better done than any shoot promo either of those companies has done though.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 13, 2011 7:29:40 GMT -5
I agree, it's great. It's so much more effective and entertaining than the "everything is fake but this" style that most feds use when they want something to feel real. I don't know, it's still kind of "everything's fake but this", but in a different way. It's now "Everyone's fake but me" coming from Punk. I realize that nobody has the verbal nastiness to keep up with him in a "tear your credibility apart" mic battle, but with nobody being able to rebut him (and HHH being the only one to try, as Miz and R-Truth's "You ARE the establishement now, Punk!" stuff is more or less being ignored), why should anyone have any logical reason to disagree and take any interest in anyone else? Some other people are going to need to start getting involved in this. I don't get the "Everything's fake..." vibe at all. Punk has been very careful to not mention scripts and whatnot. If I were a 12 year old kid that still believed WWE was real I would be thinking that Punk is just pissed off that he didn't get as many opportunities and title shots as the other guys. He's a 4 time world champion but before MITB, when was the last time he had a title match? In other words, Punk has been griping about stuff that makes sense in kayfabe. The only thing he's revealing is that WWE is a totally different beast backstage than on TV. It just means a whole lot more to fans that already know about backstage stuff, to hear Punk bring up things we've been bitching about for years.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 13, 2011 7:34:27 GMT -5
I liked the intensity between both guys, but I've never been comfortable with wrestlers calling each other by their real names out of the blue when their characters were usually never referred by them.
For example, I wouldn't mind if someone called Big Show "Paul Wight", because at least Show's real name was acknowledged as Paul Wight upon his debut (and yes, maybe I'm giving the WWE writers too much credit there continuity wise, but still). However, I don't think Kane should ever be called "Glen Jacobs" at any point. There's a time to suspend disbelief, and there's a time to just go with the campy side of wrestling.
Not hating on Punk at all, just my personal preference.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 13, 2011 7:38:14 GMT -5
I liked the intensity between both guys, but I've never been comfortable with wrestlers calling each other by their real names out of the blue when their characters were usually never referred by them. For example, I wouldn't mind if someone called Big Show "Paul Wight", because at least Show's real name was acknowledged as Paul Wight upon his debut (and yes, maybe I'm giving the WWE writers too much credit there continuity wise, but still). However, I don't think Kane should ever be called "Glen Jacobs" at any point. There's a time to suspend disbelief, and there's a time to just go with the campy side of wrestling. Not hating on Punk at all, just my personal preference. True but it is a bit different with people like Punk, Triple H, and Big Show. Nobody in their right mind would think that those are those people's real names. Just like when Edge's real name got said on air by Matt Hardy. But someone like Kane or Christian could feasibly be using their real first name. In other words, I don't think suspending disbelief has anything to do with the wrestler's names. Everybody knows that a lot of guys use stage names. As long as they don't go and reveal that some of the realer sounding names are fake, I think it's harmless but pointless.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 13, 2011 7:44:43 GMT -5
I don't know, it's still kind of "everything's fake but this", but in a different way. It's now "Everyone's fake but me" coming from Punk. I realize that nobody has the verbal nastiness to keep up with him in a "tear your credibility apart" mic battle, but with nobody being able to rebut him (and HHH being the only one to try, as Miz and R-Truth's "You ARE the establishement now, Punk!" stuff is more or less being ignored), why should anyone have any logical reason to disagree and take any interest in anyone else? Some other people are going to need to start getting involved in this. I don't get the "Everything's fake..." vibe at all. Punk has been very careful to not mention scripts and whatnot. If I were a 12 year old kid that still believed WWE was real I would be thinking that Punk is just pissed off that he didn't get as many opportunities and title shots as the other guys. He's a 4 time world champion but before MITB, when was the last time he had a title match? In other words, Punk has been griping about stuff that makes sense in kayfabe. The only thing he's revealing is that WWE is a totally different beast backstage than on TV. It just means a whole lot more to fans that already know about backstage stuff, to hear Punk bring up things we've been bitching about for years. Hence why I said in this case, it's "everyone". This angle has been framed as everyone else in the entire company is just playing a character (except Stephanie Levesque) or having given up their "real" self to sell their soul to The McMahons, and he's the only "real person".
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Post by Tim on Sept 13, 2011 8:43:55 GMT -5
At what point did he say it?
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Post by dreidemy on Sept 13, 2011 9:00:14 GMT -5
At what point did he say it? After HHH mic stop working
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Post by ronin705 on Sept 13, 2011 10:15:18 GMT -5
im just surprised triple h's last name is le-veck (doing the sound not the actual spelling) , cuz in canada something like levesque would sound like le-vyke
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Post by flatsdomino on Sept 13, 2011 10:25:17 GMT -5
I watched the East Coast USA feed and the F-bomb was muted. Some of you seem to have heard it uncensored. Did it go un-muted in other countries? Honestly, this was one of my least favorite segments between HHH and Punk. I thought it was a little too "inside" (likely going over most WWE fans' heads), and Punk almost came off as a cowardly heel by taking a cheapshot with the mic on Trips. Actually, I thought it was a good rebuttal to how some people have been feeling about Punk lately, that he's mainly just been talking and not rebelling through ACTIONS like a true badass anti-establishment face should...last night he got fed up and actually KICKED SOME ASS, which was what people want to see. He could've done another shoot comment, but actually snapping (as he was VERY visibly frustrated, to the point of dropping the F-bomb, a VERY rare thing on WWE TV) was WAY more effective. Plus I think that sort of thing hit it's peak as far as that promo went with the "real name drop" there, which, by the way, was WAY better than how it's been done in WCW and TNA, because it's obvious that "CM Punk" and "Triple H" are stage names. If someone referred to Biggie Smalls as Christopher Wallace in a song or something, it wouldn't mean they're not talking about Biggie Smalls anymore. However, a character like Kane or the Undertaker is different...but not really even, because they could swing it that "Kane" is the assumed identity of Glenn Jacobs Calloway (as he's referred to in the kayfabe book about him) that represents what he has become (like a comic book villain) and "The Undertaker" is a spirit in the body of "Mark Calloway". Shoots like this don't have to be all "I'M GOING OFF THE SCRIPT YOU CAN'T MAKE ME JOB THIS TIME BUDDY THIS IS A SHOOT"
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Sept 13, 2011 10:28:37 GMT -5
im just surprised triple h's last name is le-veck (doing the sound not the actual spelling) , cuz in canada something like levesque would sound like le-vyke I always thought it was Le-vesk. Jokes on me.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Sept 13, 2011 10:52:46 GMT -5
I always thought it was pronounced "Leh-Veh-Skew" as that's how they pronounced it in WCW under his Jean-Paul Levesque gimmick.
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Post by Marty McFry on Sept 13, 2011 11:04:04 GMT -5
Kurt Angle is still the king of F Bombs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 11:35:38 GMT -5
I don't get the "Everything's fake..." vibe at all. Punk has been very careful to not mention scripts and whatnot. If I were a 12 year old kid that still believed WWE was real I would be thinking that Punk is just pissed off that he didn't get as many opportunities and title shots as the other guys. He's a 4 time world champion but before MITB, when was the last time he had a title match? In other words, Punk has been griping about stuff that makes sense in kayfabe. The only thing he's revealing is that WWE is a totally different beast backstage than on TV. It just means a whole lot more to fans that already know about backstage stuff, to hear Punk bring up things we've been bitching about for years. Hence why I said in this case, it's "everyone". This angle has been framed as everyone else in the entire company is just playing a character (except Stephanie Levesque) or having given up their "real" self to sell their soul to The McMahons, and he's the only "real person". Which is interesting, because even that is still kayfabe. It's about the thinnest line you can possibly walk, but by golly, they're pulling it off.
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Post by Juice on Sept 13, 2011 12:01:20 GMT -5
This was masterful. I cannot believe how this angle turned around with just one exchange. Kevin nash who?
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Post by Juice on Sept 13, 2011 12:08:53 GMT -5
I'm also surprised so many people thought the real name stuff was cliche and tna levels of stupid. That made it feel so much more genuine.
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