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Post by giffyjames on Nov 2, 2011 20:16:08 GMT -5
it seems people all along have been getting busted for it....and really only one guy stands out as looking like he had a true violation.
is wwe intentionally trying to police themselves before congress gets into it but also maybe getting guys in hot water over cortisone shots for nothing?
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Post by donny on Nov 2, 2011 20:21:59 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything but for the last time:
"Just look at him" is not grounds for a wellness suspension. The wellness policy tests for a number of substances, not just steroids. I'm not saying that guys like Mason Ryan aren't on something, but if he is, he is smart about the testing and is using a substance that can go undetected by the tests like HGH.
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Post by giffyjames on Nov 2, 2011 20:31:23 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything but for the last time: "Just look at him" is not grounds for a wellness suspension. The wellness policy tests for a number of substances, not just steroids. I'm not saying that guys like Mason Ryan aren't on something, but if he is, he is smart about the testing and is using a substance that can go undetected by the tests like HGH. what im getting at is their boundaries need to be just like any other business that test for 5 things with coke and weed being 2 of them. if cortisone gets u a violation then whats next? ibuprofen? |
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 2, 2011 20:45:34 GMT -5
I don't really get what the argument is. I don't know if Cortisone is on the banned substance lists for them (as far as I'm aware, it's not public) but it's not the same thing as ibuprofen (one is a steroid, the other is not).
And if it's just that some guys who look like they are haven't been busted while others that don't look like they are have, that's not really a measure of anything.
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Nov 2, 2011 20:45:59 GMT -5
Cortisone shots have always been a strange issue in sports drug testing for me, because they are clearly "performance-enhancing," and they help people overcome injury/pain in order to play, but aren't seen the same way as steroids and HGH. Is it just because steroids are illegal? That is the biggest distinction I can see ...
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 2, 2011 20:46:30 GMT -5
When has cortisone ever gotten anyone a violation? When approved by a doctor, any prescribe-able drug other than Somas is a free pass and, if anything, we know there are more than enough mark doctors out there that will approve it for based on the star power or a a few extra bucks slipped their way. Anyone who gets busted for an RX is an idiot.
That is not to say it's a joke, just there is only so much they can do. I mean God only knows how many people were sent to rehab threw it that had their lives saved or how many people like MVP had potentially fatal conditions found thanks to the testing.
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Post by alabastergrim on Nov 2, 2011 20:49:17 GMT -5
Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever but I absolutely believe it to be a joke. The only people who are wellnessed seem to be low midcarders. I find it odd that no one in the main event seems to have any issues. I think WWE has the program to keep congress off their backs but they probably let some of "their boys" slide.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 2, 2011 20:52:05 GMT -5
Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever but I absolutely believe it to be a joke. The only people who are wellnessed seem to be low midcarders. I find it odd that no one in the main event seems to have any issues. I think WWE has the program to keep congress off their backs but they probably let some of "their boys" slide. Rey Mysterio, Randy Orton, and Jeff Hardy were low midcarders? |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Nov 2, 2011 20:53:10 GMT -5
Prior to the recent suspensions, there was a good 2 years where it felt like no one got suspended.
And considering they actually have a policy unlike about 99% of other promotions/actually enforce it unlike Dixlieland, that says a lot about it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 20:54:03 GMT -5
Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever but I absolutely believe it to be a joke. The only people who are wellnessed seem to be low midcarders. I find it odd that no one in the main event seems to have any issues. I think WWE has the program to keep congress off their backs but they probably let some of "their boys" slide. Rey Mysterio, Randy Orton, and Jeff Hardy were low midcarders? And Regal looked like he was in for a big push after winning a tournament and then, bam, wellnessed. |
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 2, 2011 20:54:48 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio, Randy Orton, and Jeff Hardy were low midcarders? And Regal looked like he was in for a big push after winning a tournament and then, bam, wellnessed. Cannot leave out Edge and Kennedy Kennedy as well. |
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Nov 2, 2011 20:59:46 GMT -5
And Regal looked like he was in for a big push after winning a tournament and then, bam, wellnessed. Cannot leave out Edge and Kennedy Kennedy as well. remember all those "Elevated Enzymes" of 07 that took out half the Great American Bash Main event scene? |
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Post by giffyjames on Nov 2, 2011 21:03:24 GMT -5
When has cortisone ever gotten anyone a violation? sin cara. |
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 2, 2011 21:04:01 GMT -5
When has cortisone ever gotten anyone a violation? sin cara. If you believe him which I don't, even then, get a legit prescription and you're clear. |
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Post by giffyjames on Nov 2, 2011 21:07:45 GMT -5
If you believe him which I don't, even then, get a legit prescription and you're clear. what exactly would he be testing positive for? |
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 2, 2011 21:09:20 GMT -5
If you believe him which I don't, even then, get a legit prescription and you're clear. what exactly would he be testing positive for? Roids, painkillers/muscle relaxers, any thing illegal... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 21:15:25 GMT -5
Wasn't RVD wellness'd while he was WWE and ECW champ?
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 2, 2011 21:20:03 GMT -5
Wasn't RVD wellness'd while he was WWE and ECW champ? Nah, just suspended for getting arrested. |
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Nov 2, 2011 21:29:26 GMT -5
As I've said before, people are so used to corporate newspeak that anything with a name like "Wellness" is automatically going to be looked at as a joke/smokescreen.
The Wellness Policy is actually documented in WWE's corporate site. It's spelled out in black and white. One of the things that most people seem to be mistaken about is that Wellness ONLY refers to drug/controlled substance violations.
The Wellness policy IS a way to cover WWE's ass, yes. But it covers more than simply illegal or illicit substances. It actually covers a large range of health related issues, from the Drug policy, to the "liver enzymes" that ruined The GAB one year, to diagnosing and treating MVP's Heart condition.
It's just that "Wellness" has become a catch-all for drugs, rather than the quite literal whole-body wellness it was supposed to protect.
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Post by bathory on Nov 2, 2011 21:46:21 GMT -5
You don't get suspended for HGH in the WWE? First time I'm hearing this, I was 100% sure it was part of the banned substances, just like deca, winstrol and the other steroids. If that stuff is beeing tolerated there's no reason why the average wrestlers size isn't at least and extra 20-25 lbs, HGH ain't weak stuff. Plus, apart from Titus O Neil, nobody got a muscly gut, although maybe in his case, it's just that he doesn't work out his abs (hard to tell, he got not much definitions there).
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