Why are they taking so long to use the new guys?

[Burst]

I mean the new crop of guys that (re)debuted after Mania. Sandow, Ryback, Cesaro...

How many more weeks is Ryback going to do the exact same thing before he can have a proper match? Even Brodus didn't do squashes this long, and at least Brodus is finally moving to normal programs, seemingly. Cesaro seems to have disappeared completely for the most part, and Sandow is also still doing effectively squash matches without any real storylines.

Why is it so damned hard to pick two lower carders and just say "You two, feud." anymore? I don't know what the heck they're waiting for, but they debuted these guys just to have them spin their wheels even when most of the rest of the card is repetitive anyway. I just don't know what they're waiting for.

[rnrk supports BLM]

Honestly, putting Ryback in more conventional matches at this point would be a step down; the squashing delusional jobbers stuff is hilarious, they might as well keep milking it until it gets old.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

I'd like to see that. Why not have Johnny Curtis come out on RAW. In the event of a re-enforced brand split, you could have Curtis as a dual branded Superstar as a consolation prize for never getting his promised Tag Title match. While the brand split means jack nowadays, Curtis would actually still appear to be more privileged than any non-main eventer or non-champion. Curtis could feud with Brodus Clay, jealous that he won NXT yet Brodus is the bigger star.

[Welfare Willis]

I find Cesaro disappearance particularly disconcerting. Dude is ready and just needs an opportunity.

[zeez]

I'm still enjoying seeing Ryback kill jobbers.

I do agree that WWE needs to put more effort in creating feuds up and down the card but I think Ryback's schtick can keep going for a while longer. Brodus's squash run wasn't this long but it also wasn't as entertaining (aside from the first appearances when we were still laughing at how insane his new gimmick was). Ryback ragdolling guys makes for great entertainment, or at least I think it does.

[Brood Lone Wolf Funker]

I think Sandow's whole storyline is that he is better than everyone which is why the squashes. Brodus is like you said moving slowly into a program but its better than nothing

[Mayonnaise]

Jun 20, 2012 19:33:51 GMT -5 Welfare Willis said:

I find Cesaro disappearance particularly disconcerting. Dude is ready and just needs an opportunity.

I've heard with him it's more they are testing him rather than just ignoring him. They want to see that he doesn't have an ego, doesn't mind working with anyone given how he was a major name in the indies and didn't spend much time in FCW and that he'll try and get anything over. Like Bryan with the losing angle and Gail Kim/Bellas stuff and Punk with the loss to Holly and the stuff with K2.

[mrjl]

I thought Cesaro wrestled the week before last

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Ryback's schtick is definitely starting to wear thin, but it's more enjoyable than most drawn-out jobber squash streaks. Brodus needs to get into an actual match so people can hopefully crap on it and he'll get booted. Sandow needs a feud ASAP to start getting his character over more. Everyone else just needs to actually do things.

[percymania]

Cesaro should be feuding with Christian for the IC title, like, now.

[Tiger Maskooo]

It's really simple.

WWE is indecisive and has no idea what theyre doing anymore

Guys will randomly be pushed and then randomly depushed. People will be in the last match on raw then disapear off to superstars.

Hell sometimes they change the script and alert some talents but not all. Just look at the raw after big show turned heel where the commentators all said one thing and johnny ace said another completely different thing.

They shift things around so much that it's this jumbled f***ed up puzzle. They dont know what theyre doing. It's mood swing championship wrestling.

It's also a company that runs out of ideas and lacks creativity. They'll sometimes have the same angle on Raw and Smackdown with different talents. The same finishes.

Naturally the people they think the most expendable will get the least effort out of everyone. Instead of building an all around roster,they want to focus on what Cena and HHH are doing for the week. Its the tendency of WWE nowadays. It'll be that way until someone shows up like ironically enough a Vince Russo who even if McMahon or Stephanie dont care about the guys underneath,they do. That might never come because of WWE having too many writers for a singular vision to really come through.

Plus you also have the retarded testing that goes on there where they like to see if people will break. It's stupid but it's what they think is neccessary.

[Push R Truth]

Hogan doesn't think they are quite ready for him to give them the torch.

[thelonewolf527]

The problem is that they have too many guys debuting and can't just give them programs.

You ask when Ryback is going to stop killing jobbers. I ask you this: Can you come up with a program for Ryback? I can't think of any kind of feud right now that would make sense for Ryback other than "Ryback kills Heath Slater every single week."

Besides that, they tried to give Tensai a lot of momentum and the crowd didn't care. Hell, Ryback seems to be the only one outside of Damien Sandow of the new guys getting really any reaction.

Cesaro on the other hand, he's a fine wrestler but he really isn't all that great on the mic and his English isn't best either. Right now, he's pretty generic to me. I mean if Tyson Kidd isn't getting pushed, why should Cesaro get pushed instead.

Dean Ambrose on the other hand needs to be pushed to the moon when he debuts.

[RI Richmark]

Now that Teddy Long doesn't have to answer to John Laurinaitis anymore he should manage someone against Cesaro and Aksana.

[chazraps]

I'm honestly, in this case, willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and have it slowly at least be a slow burn/build for each of these characters.

This would potential eliminate:

1) The stigma of "HERE'S A BUNCH OF NEW GUYS YOU'RE UNFAMILIAR WITH AT ONCE!"

2) The push-to-the-moon without seeing any longterm plans. While I'm in the camp who believes it worked for Sheamus, he had the benefit of being the first push-to-the-moon in terms of the title in a looooooong time. I think they're at the point where 3 weeks of televised matches and suddenly they get a US title shots doesn't benefit the champion, challenger or the belt regardless of outcome.

3) The potential for yo-yo booking. If they had ran with, let's say, Brodus when he started to take off and put him in a world title feud by April, they would have run out of avenues and booked themselves into a corner like with Eugene in 2004. This way, when the new guys suffer a loss, it'll be after weeks/months of victories to show what they're capable of.

I honestly like that, especially with Raw expanding to three hours, we're giving the characters a chance to not only develop their personalities and connect with the audience, but show what they can do in the ring.

So, for the time being, I'm cautiously optimistic.

[Juice]

Seems refreshing like there was a new class and we get to watch them grow. Obviously things just won't shift but when Cody and Ziggler and other mid carders take that next step these guys will be there to be the main focus of mid card for a while. It really feels like they are farming them in the system. instead of the Khali type push where he shows up, is a big deal then is relegated to random lower card schticks for the rest of his time

[nickcave]

I have an idea for how to build up Ryback and it involves building up Sheamus as well. You have Big Show completely destroy Cena so he can take a break and you have Big Show say something like Sheamus will be next. Then Sheamus and Big Show have a match at MITB for the World Heavyweight title with Sheamus going over. Next you have Sheamus go into a program with Tensai based off of their great back and forth match on Raw. You build up Sheamus as this guy who's known for his hard hitting back and forth matches with these big dudes. No overcoming the odds stuff like Cena, he's just a tough guy who loves to fight and takes on all challengers. Meanwhile you have Ryback become tired of squashing jobbers and have him want to go for a belt. So while Sheamus is feuding with Tensai you have Ryback squash Santino for the US belt. Complete annihilation so he's put over huge. Then you have him face who ever is holding the Intercontinental title. Preferably somebody who is a filler so his credibility isn't hurt that bad when Ryback destroys him. So then you have Ryback unify both midcard titles and have him challenge Sheamus for the World Heavyweight title. They have some good back and forth powerhouse matches and you can make it a series. Have Ryback beat Sheamus for the title and then have Sheamus win it back at the next PPV. Finally have Sheamus go over in the third match so he can be this big breakout star like they want him to be. Their you go, a credible World Title feud between Sheamus and Ryback that builds up both people, gets rid of an unnecessary belt in the US title and treats the World Heavyweight Title like a legit world title.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

^That is a pretty good idea, except for the ditching the U.S. title and keeping both World Titles part.

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Jun 20, 2012 20:56:36 GMT -5 thelonewolf527 said:

The problem is that they have too many guys debuting and can't just give them programs.

You ask when Ryback is going to stop killing jobbers. I ask you this: Can you come up with a program for Ryback? I can't think of any kind of feud right now that would make sense for Ryback other than "Ryback kills Heath Slater every single week."

Besides that, they tried to give Tensai a lot of momentum and the crowd didn't care. Hell, Ryback seems to be the only one outside of Damien Sandow of the new guys getting really any reaction.

If they have nothing for someone, then why waste time spinning their wheels? Why have them on PPV every month doing shit? Building toward something that they don't even have planned and have no ideas with is bad and will kill their momentum because it'll get f***ing old.

Also, the momentum they gave Tensei involved a couple squashes, and then beating John Cena. Main event pushes right after a debut don't usually go well. If the crowd is apathetic toward you, shooting them to the top by having them beat John Cena clean is not going to win anyone over.

[Bub (BLM)]

This is exactly why they need a midcard. I've been watching a lot of late 90's WWF, and it's crazy to me how many over characters and angles they had compared to now. The main-eventers had angles, the midcarders had angles, the tag teams had angles. Nowadays, WWE mostly focuses on angles for the top main-event talent, and the rest of the roster just sort of wrestles one another at random, and feud by doing run-ins and tag matches. They never get to cut loose on the mic or get vignettes. It stinks, and it needs to change. When I watch WWE, I want to feel like I'm watching a complete product. I want the lower card guys to be just as fully-developed characters as the top guys.