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Post by Manute Bol on Mar 18, 2012 23:12:05 GMT -5
He has been INCREDIBLY innovative and influential (ALLITERATION!) for years, even before his mainstream breakthrough. That's assonance, not alliteration. I'm a Kanye fan, and obviously there's no denying his influence. But I don't think he's any more influential or important than Eminem, Jay-Z or Lil Wayne. And before you attack me for including Lil Wayne in that statement, regardless of your personal feelings of his music, you can't deny his influence either.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Mar 18, 2012 23:16:32 GMT -5
He has been INCREDIBLY innovative and influential (ALLITERATION!) for years, even before his mainstream breakthrough. That's assonance, not alliteration. I'm a Kanye fan, and obviously there's no denying his influence. But I don't think he's any more influential or important than Eminem, Jay-Z or Lil Wayne. And before you attack me for including Lil Wayne in that statement, regardless of your personal feelings of his music, you can't deny his influence either. YOU'RE AN ASSONANCE! Also, yes, Lil Wayne is undeniably influential. He's also incredibly talented, but I feel like he almost never uses that talent, and instead falls back on lazy writing.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 18, 2012 23:17:41 GMT -5
That's assonance, not alliteration. I'm a Kanye fan, and obviously there's no denying his influence. But I don't think he's any more influential or important than Eminem, Jay-Z or Lil Wayne. And before you attack me for including Lil Wayne in that statement, regardless of your personal feelings of his music, you can't deny his influence either. YOU'RE AN ASSONANCE! Also, yes, Lil Wayne is undeniably influential. He's also incredibly talented, but I feel like he almost never uses that talent, and instead falls back on lazy writing. Da Drought is back mixtapes> The rest of Lil Wayne's catalog.
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Post by Manute Bol on Mar 18, 2012 23:44:04 GMT -5
That's assonance, not alliteration. I'm a Kanye fan, and obviously there's no denying his influence. But I don't think he's any more influential or important than Eminem, Jay-Z or Lil Wayne. And before you attack me for including Lil Wayne in that statement, regardless of your personal feelings of his music, you can't deny his influence either. YOU'RE AN ASSONANCE! Also, yes, Lil Wayne is undeniably influential. He's also incredibly talented, but I feel like he almost never uses that talent, and instead falls back on lazy writing. Ha!
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Post by Viva on Mar 18, 2012 23:58:20 GMT -5
I honestly feel like the whole "Kanye is an asshole." is fairly strawman, and a large part propagated by the negatives already highlighted by both rappers and african-americans. Yes. He is a pretty big jerk, and he has a seriously massive ego, but the same can be said for countless influential musicians.
The music he makes is better than "oh, I don't listen to Kanye because he's a dick." So is Keith Richards. I bet you'd have less of an issue listening to the stones, ya know?
*edit: no one said "i dont listen to him because he's a dick" in here, I'm just thinkin' out loud.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 19, 2012 0:02:12 GMT -5
YOU'RE AN ASSONANCE! Also, yes, Lil Wayne is undeniably influential. He's also incredibly talented, but I feel like he almost never uses that talent, and instead falls back on lazy writing. Da Drought is back mixtapes> The rest of Lil Wayne's catalog. Absolutely not. Here's a write-up I did on 'Dedication 2' - spectrumculture.com/2012/03/revisit-lil-wayne-dedication-2.html/As for the Kanye write-up in the OP, the part about 'College Dropout' is widely revisionist history and I'd venture to guess whoever wrote it has a passing paying attention to hip-hop at best. That's not to say it isn't a great album (I'd consider it Kanye's best) but in terms of the direct influence it had in terms of who it (paraphrasing) "ushered into the mainstream." Considering Mos Def has gone gold, Common had top-ten singles etc. Kanye was more a product of their success than the other way around. As for unifying different walks of life in terms of hip-hop fans, I'd say "Through the Wire" for sure did as nothing else really sounded like it, but album wise it was largely dismissed by underground, backpacker, indierap circles for not being that much of an "alternative" to what else Roc-a-Fella and mainstream rap was putting out by that point. Speaking of the Roc, the article fairly liberally dismisses how incredibly innovative their 2003 was, and how 'College Dropout' was the final remnant of that. Plus, this was the exact same time that "Hey Ya" was crossing all sorts of indieground/mainstream boundaries, and 'The Black Album' (and, at the time, to a certain extend Ludacris' 'Chicken-n-Beer') were big across-the-board favorite albums for all rap fans. Kanye was the only new face of this period in rap, and that's probably why he's credited for the momentary shift, but he was at the tail end of this. Rest of the write-up was on-point, but I just wish people who accept 'The College dropout' for what it is, a great producer who can't rap all that well but tries his absolute hardest, resulting in an endearing debut that retains the freshman charm to this day. It's an outstanding time capsule, but by no means a catalyst of anything other than Kanye West.
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Post by Sero on Mar 19, 2012 0:29:59 GMT -5
I honestly feel like the whole "Kanye is an asshole." is fairly strawman, and a large part propagated by the negatives already highlighted by both rappers and african-americans. Yes. He is a pretty big jerk, and he has a seriously massive ego, but the same can be said for countless influential musicians. The music he makes is better than "oh, I don't listen to Kanye because he's a dick." So is Keith Richards. I bet you'd have less of an issue listening to the stones, ya know? *edit: no one said "i dont listen to him because he's a dick" in here, I'm just thinkin' out loud. To be fair, even the Keith Richards didn't interrupt an award that had nothing to do with him and tell America's sweetheart she didn't deserve to win.
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Post by Viva on Mar 19, 2012 1:07:36 GMT -5
I honestly feel like the whole "Kanye is an asshole." is fairly strawman, and a large part propagated by the negatives already highlighted by both rappers and african-americans. Yes. He is a pretty big jerk, and he has a seriously massive ego, but the same can be said for countless influential musicians. The music he makes is better than "oh, I don't listen to Kanye because he's a dick." So is Keith Richards. I bet you'd have less of an issue listening to the stones, ya know? *edit: no one said "i dont listen to him because he's a dick" in here, I'm just thinkin' out loud. To be fair, even the Keith Richards didn't interrupt an award that had nothing to do with him and tell America's sweetheart she didn't deserve to win. No. He snorted his Dad's ashes. It's all relative, man. Shitty things are shitty things. What he did was shitty. It was also five f***ing years ago. Hell, even Taylor Swift has forgiven him. I think you can too.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Mar 19, 2012 1:12:08 GMT -5
To be fair, even the Keith Richards didn't interrupt an award that had nothing to do with him and tell America's sweetheart she didn't deserve to win. No. He snorted his Dad's ashes. It's all relative, man. s***ty things are s***ty things. What he did was s***ty. It was also five f***ing years ago. Hell, even Taylor Swift has forgiven him. I think you can too. that wasn't the first, and it most certainly won't be the last time he was an asshole and/or whiney little bitch at an award show
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Post by Heartbreaker on Mar 19, 2012 1:12:42 GMT -5
I don't listen to his music, or anything on the radio/mainstream these days... although because of Saints Row 3, I've grown quite fond of "Power". But Kayne West is hilarious!
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Post by Viva on Mar 19, 2012 1:14:11 GMT -5
No. He snorted his Dad's ashes. It's all relative, man. s***ty things are s***ty things. What he did was s***ty. It was also five f***ing years ago. Hell, even Taylor Swift has forgiven him. I think you can too. that wasn't the first, and it most certainly won't be the last time he was an asshole and/or whiney little bitch at an award show or took a dump on the president. loud personalities make the best music, man. you have to separate the two.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Mar 19, 2012 1:18:47 GMT -5
that wasn't the first, and it most certainly won't be the last time he was an asshole and/or whiney little bitch at an award show or took a dump on the president. loud personalities make the best music, man. you have to separate the two. not if one cancels the other. just because you make music people enjoy and you're (overly) proud of doesn't give you a right to s*** on other people and rob them of their moments * by "overly" i mean declaring a award bulls*** because there is no way anyone should win but you because your music is the greatest ever of all time
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Post by Viva on Mar 19, 2012 1:27:56 GMT -5
or took a dump on the president. loud personalities make the best music, man. you have to separate the two. not if one cancels the other. just because you make music people enjoy and you're (overly) proud of doesn't give you a right to s*** on other people and rob them of their moments * by "overly" i mean declaring a award bulls*** because there is no way anyone should win but you because your music is the greatest ever of all time i feel like it's no different then when noel and liam gallagher used to shit all over any artist that was even seemingly influenced by them. was it stupid, immature, egotistical, and petty? yes. but god damn if some of oasis' catalogue isn't still delicious as all get out, man. like i said, loud personalities make some of the bets music. it's just part of it. huge egos come with the territory.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 1:32:18 GMT -5
Late Registration is one of the best albums of all time. ALL TIME. That's all I gotta say.
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Post by sludgehammer on Mar 19, 2012 1:59:33 GMT -5
Runaway is an amazing track. First time I heard it was on the MTV Music Awards (which I never watch). I don't know if he debuted it or what, but the dude was playing the autotune and keyboard shit while singing it was crazy. Like I thought it was all bogus studio bullshit, but there's Kayne just hitting everything in this song
I don't care what kind of asshole he is in real life, we're all assholes, but man is that a good track
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Post by S-Chrome on Mar 19, 2012 2:42:37 GMT -5
To be fair, even the Keith Richards didn't interrupt an award that had nothing to do with him and tell America's sweetheart she didn't deserve to win. Taylor Swift's career has skyrocketed after that incident. Though it was a jackass move, no one saw the negative aspects of that except West himself.
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Post by Cela on Mar 19, 2012 4:49:13 GMT -5
Personally I don't like his music and am surprised that a guy who almost entirely uses sampling for his beats is prized for innovation.
That being said, he's not for me, enjoy.
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Post by Sero on Mar 19, 2012 6:28:56 GMT -5
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 19, 2012 11:26:44 GMT -5
I resent the notion that Kanye invented any of that stuff. I guess this is why I avoid mainstream rap like the plague, they're decades late on a lot of shit.
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Mar 19, 2012 11:31:07 GMT -5
Gonna say it, f***ing love that he did that to Taylor, shit was boring and that was the most hype moment ever. That was some Source Awards shit.
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