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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 17:19:15 GMT -5
Most wrestling finishers look like if they DID connect, they'd kill or cripple for life. How do you overlook the fact that they only put a guy down for a count of three?
(playing Devil's Advocate here)
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Post by CH Punk on Dec 21, 2011 17:25:04 GMT -5
If 10 is equal to hitting a finisher at full force and would kill someone, then they usually would do it at 4 to 6 (enough to stun and hurt but not enough to injure or kill).
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Post by zeez on Dec 21, 2011 17:26:08 GMT -5
How do I suspend my disbelief? I just do it.
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Post by The Line on Dec 21, 2011 17:36:32 GMT -5
well, considering there are tons of normal, mid-match moves that would leave one or both men hurt, it's not that hard.
Hell, most people after two or three punches would probably have to stop. Has anyone actually punched someone in the face before? Equal and opposite force, remember, and a hand can be pretty susceptible to pain.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 21, 2011 17:37:29 GMT -5
Actually most finishers don't look like they'd even keep someone down for a 3 count let alone seriously injure someone, hence why you don't see most of them used in a real fight. That being said, I still don't find it too hard to suspend disbelief.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 21, 2011 17:44:18 GMT -5
Much like a strike in boxing or MMA; the idea isn't to try and kill your opponent, but just to disorient them enough so they can't answer a count of ten. In wrestling, you could conceivably use even less force, since you're pinning them with your body and the count is only to three.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Dec 21, 2011 17:48:48 GMT -5
A lot of these guys are in ridiculously good physical condition. Muscles are ridiculously large and protect bones from breaking.
And are we still bringing up the "If I'm in a real fight..." thing when it comes to wrestling, when it's almost 2012?
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Post by giffyjames on Dec 21, 2011 18:29:45 GMT -5
people always say 'oh those moves wouldnt work in real life' try power bombing someone in a fight and see if it doesnt end right there
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Post by jadison on Dec 21, 2011 18:32:30 GMT -5
Interesting...this is the first time I've read a thread where the trouble with suspension of belief had to do with the moves looking "too real" or like they would hurt too much. I always felt that way with piledrivers and DDTs.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 21, 2011 18:32:59 GMT -5
Actually most finishers don't look like they'd even keep someone down for a 3 count let alone seriously injure someone, hence why you don't see most of them used in a real fight. That being said, I still don't find it too hard to suspend disbelief. It's more that you just wouldn't ever see anyone actually able to pull them off because wrestling moves usually require the participation of the person you're doing the move too. Some of the finishers would probably hurt like hell if they were really done, they're just completely impractical. |
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Dec 21, 2011 18:52:52 GMT -5
people always say 'oh those moves wouldnt work in real life' try power bombing someone in a fight and see if it doesnt end right there It's not so much the move itself but rather the attempt. If you tried to powerbomb someone in a fight without stunning them first you either get knocked out or nut shotted. |
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Dec 21, 2011 18:58:55 GMT -5
people always say 'oh those moves wouldnt work in real life' try power bombing someone in a fight and see if it doesnt end right there It's not so much the move itself but rather the attempt. If you tried to powerbomb someone in a fight without stunning them first you either get knocked out or nut shotted. Depends on your size |
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Post by anglarite on Dec 21, 2011 19:02:21 GMT -5
Not to mention the disbelief about the idea that the same people who can kick out of a finisher in a PPV can't really manage the same feat on free television...
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Post by Summerfest on Dec 21, 2011 19:08:04 GMT -5
Not to mention the disbelief about the idea that the same people who can kick out of a finisher in a PPV can't really manage the same feat on free television... Well, there's more at stake in the bigger matches, more of a motivation to kick out, I guess. Adrenaline rushes and whatnot. |
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Post by BHB on Dec 21, 2011 19:38:08 GMT -5
The only finisher I can think of that would likely kill someone is the Tombstone.
There's just no way this wouldn't seriously hurt someone (in kayfabe) which is why I hate when anyone kicks out of it (though it works for a monster like when Kane debuted IMO).
I can see someone kicking out of a move that stuns or knocks you down like a sweet chin music or rock bottom, but I don't buy it when someone kicks out after being dropped on their head. At best they would be knocked out, at worst, paralyzed or killed. The Tombstone should be a one shot kill IMO, though this could potentially take the drama out of a match if you know no one will kick out of it.
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Post by Mac on Dec 21, 2011 19:55:02 GMT -5
Most of the finishers look pretty weak to be honest. Especially the Attitude Adjuster. It's a body slam
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Dec 21, 2011 20:19:57 GMT -5
I think WWE has made it a point to make finishing moves less damaging overall. Think about the current crop of moves.
Attitude Adjustment
GTS
RKO
Knockout punch
Zigg Zagg
Cross-Rhodes
LeBelle Lock
Cross Arm Breaker
Worlds Strongest Slam
Wasteland
Brogue Kick
Out of these the only ones that really seem like they could easily hurt someone are the GTS and Brogue Kick. Punk botches the GTS half the time and doesn't even come close to hitting his opponents head full force. Only Sheamus looks like he's trying to literally take the guy head off sometimes.
Compare to 90's and 2000's finishers.
Tombstone
Sweet Chin Music
Stone Cold Stunner
Sharpshooter
Rock Bottom
Choke Slam
Power Bomb
Ankle Lock
F5
Diamond Cutter
Torture Rack
Death Valley Driver
Jack Hammer
Walls of Jericho/Lion Tamer
All of these are great ways to put somebody in the hospital very quickly. If a person hit a very legit Sweet Chin Music on somebody it would probably at least break their lower jaw and crush several teeth. I know from experience.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Dec 21, 2011 20:31:35 GMT -5
Most of the finishers look pretty weak to be honest. Especially the Attitude Adjuster. It's a body slam The guy taking the AA is six feet off the ground and being slammed by a man strong enough to have once lifted Edge and the Big Show on his shoulders at the same time. It's enough for a 3 count. |
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Post by I am Jack's STD on Dec 21, 2011 20:42:16 GMT -5
people always say 'oh those moves wouldnt work in real life' try power bombing someone in a fight and see if it doesnt end right there Also hum Guile's Theme while doing it. |
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Dec 21, 2011 20:43:37 GMT -5
I think WWE has made it a point to make finishing moves less damaging overall. Think about the current crop of moves. Attitude Adjustment GTS RKO Knockout punch Zigg Zagg Cross-Rhodes LeBelle Lock Cross Arm Breaker Worlds Strongest Slam Wasteland Brogue Kick Out of these the only ones that really seem like they could easily hurt someone are the GTS and Brogue Kick. Punk botches the GTS half the time and doesn't even come close to hitting his opponents head full force. Only Sheamus looks like he's trying to literally take the guy head off sometimes. Compare to 90's and 2000's finishers. Tombstone Sweet Chin Music Stone Cold Stunner Sharpshooter Rock Bottom Choke Slam Power Bomb Ankle Lock F5 Diamond Cutter Torture Rack Death Valley Driver Jack Hammer Walls of Jericho/Lion Tamer All of these are great ways to put somebody in the hospital very quickly. If a person hit a very legit Sweet Chin Music on somebody it would probably at least break their lower jaw and crush several teeth. I know from experience. I like how the RKO is in the list of lame recent finishers and the Diamond Cutter is in the list of awesome previous finishers. The way I look at moves like the Attitude Adjustment and the Wasteland is when you get dropped 6 feet or so onto a solid surface like the mat, you're bound to get the wind knocked out of you, be disoriented, and its enough to pin you for 3. Everything leading up to that point is just trying to weaken the opponent so they won't counter your finisher. |
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