What finisher was Jericho wanting to use?

[Burst]

I'm too lazy to get my copy of the book and double check his exact words, but I recall him saying that in the build-up to his 2007 return, he was scouting out a new finisher to use, and he had picked some Bulldog variation or something, based off of seeing it in Japan, only to turn on Raw and see a Diva using the exact same move, so we (fortunately, IMO) wound up with the Codebreaker instead.

So who was the Diva, what was the move he had intended to use?

I've gotten so used to the Codebreaker as his impact finisher and his bulldog as a set-up/moves of doom signature that I can't envision him with anything different. As an aside it's weird even watching old matches where he uses the Breakdown because I'm so used to the Codebreaker even though he's used it for only a minority of his career.

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I heard it was Candice Michelle's Killswitch-Bulldog hybrid which is could have changed the course of Jericho's entire second run for the worse.

[A Platypus Rave]

the only Bulldog move I remember a Diva using other than the Stratusfaction was Candice Michelle'd killswitch-bulldog thing.

[Wolf Hurricane]

To be fair, it wouldn't be impossible for Jericho to do the exact same move and make it look completely different. Case in point: Kelly Kelly's finisher; terrible, innit? Now look up the actual Ace Crusher II. Looks completely different.

[crimsonwolf]

Dec 10, 2011 0:05:48 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

the only Bulldog move I remember a Diva using other than the Stratusfaction was Candice Michelle'd killswitch-bulldog thing.

Candice using the Killswitch as a setup to that move was so redundant.

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Dec 10, 2011 0:12:21 GMT -5 Wolf Hurricane said:

To be fair, it wouldn't be impossible for Jericho to do the exact same move and make it look completely different. Case in point: Kelly Kelly's finisher; terrible, innit? Now look up the actual Ace Crusher II. Looks completely different.

Don't know why they got rid of the tabletop version she used. It was damned cool looking.

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I love the Code Breaker as a finisher, Jericho had always lacked a solid impact finisher IMO.
It looks sweet, and can be done to pretty much anyone......
easy to reverse alot of moves into it.

[norsisclouds]

Dec 10, 2011 0:19:26 GMT -5 crimsonwolf said:

Dec 10, 2011 0:05:48 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

the only Bulldog move I remember a Diva using other than the Stratusfaction was Candice Michelle'd killswitch-bulldog thing.

Candice using the Killswitch as a setup to that move was so redundant.

It was awful. To this day I thought she was going to Killswitch but got reversed into doing a stupid looking standing bulldog.

It was like they said, "OK we need an easy finisher that can get a diva over and doesn't require too much skill or a thoughtful execution. I know! Let's teach her a bulldog like Trish Stratus!"

Standing bulldog? What? At least the Stratusfaction had it's moments where it looked cool.

eta- but I did get his complaint about Kelly using his one-handed bulldog. Damn does that look stupid on someone with minimal arm-strength/muscle tone. When Jericho used it you could suspend disbelief and think he was actually plowing the guy's face into the mat. When K2 does it the move is so obviously phony and cringe-worthy. At least she lands properly now. Somewhat.

[Brother Nero....Wolfe]

Dec 10, 2011 0:12:21 GMT -5 Wolf Hurricane said:

To be fair, it wouldn't be impossible for Jericho to do the exact same move and make it look completely different. Case in point: Kelly Kelly's finisher; terrible, innit? Now look up the actual Ace Crusher II. Looks completely different.

The Ace Crusher II was a rollup?

[thelonewolf527]

Epico has partially claimed the Codebreaker it seems so let's see how that one goes if he returns soon.

[4real]

I think Jericho made the right choice, The Codebreaker is a great move and fun to try too I might add.

[El Dandy]

Isn't Miz's finisher now pretty much the Codebreaker (a frontwards, full-nelson russian legsweep?)

[Bub (BLM)]

Dec 10, 2011 4:37:46 GMT -5 El Dandy said:

Isn't Miz's finisher now pretty much the Codebreaker (a frontwards, full-nelson russian legsweep?)

You're thinking of the Breakdown, Jericho's secondary finisher in 2001.

[El Dandy]

Dec 10, 2011 4:44:08 GMT -5 Bub (BLM) said:

Dec 10, 2011 4:37:46 GMT -5 El Dandy said:

Isn't Miz's finisher now pretty much the Codebreaker (a frontwards, full-nelson russian legsweep?)

You're thinking of the Breakdown, Jericho's secondary finisher in 2001.

That's right, thanks for the correction, I was thinking of the Breakdown.

[stinger]

Armbar!

[baronmordo]

The Codebreaker is part of the reason lucha annoys me. Watch a lucha show, and you'll see about a million of them. At least it means something when Jericho does it.

[PKO]

I'm glad he didn't use it. It was a crappy move, and Candice only used it once before moving onto the Killswitch/Unprettier (which she did perfectly).

[Vice honcho room temperature]

Dec 10, 2011 12:36:53 GMT -5 baronmordo said:

The Codebreaker is part of the reason lucha annoys me. Watch a lucha show, and you'll see about a million of them. At least it means something when Jericho does it.

Well Memphis and Mexico sell the piledriver like death to the point of banning it but the WWF/E used it as just a mid match move. ECW had several DDT finishers which were again mid match in WWE. It happens in all promotions when comparing them to other ones.