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Post by bestthateverdidit on Dec 7, 2011 7:43:27 GMT -5
Anyone seen this documentary? What did you think?
I found McMahon's dismissal of the steroids epidemic, especially the way in which he dismissed the fact that at the time baseball and ice hockey didn't test for them, contemptible. This was especially following the trial which nearly put him out of business. Steroids were rampant in the Attitude Era nad everybody knew it. Other illegal drugs were circulating too.
McMahon defined 'reasonable cause' for a drug test to be if someone was spotted with a syringe hanging around. I don't suppose there are any other suspicious traits which might warrant a drug test? What changed?
This is where I find the whole 'wellness policy' thing to be non-credible. I just don't buy that Vnice's laissez faire attitude to drugs has changed.
What did you think of the doc? I thought it was quite interesting, espcially given the context.
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Dec 7, 2011 8:09:52 GMT -5
And looking back, I don't think the Attitude Era was appropriate for children. And I do think it's rather vulgar that Vince McMahon was marketing it towards them. And not only that but McMahon, an old man in his fifties, finding that segment with Mark Henry and a transvestite 'comedic' is creepy.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Dec 7, 2011 8:10:15 GMT -5
Anyone seen this documentary? What did you think? I found McMahon's dismissal of the steroids epidemic, especially the way in which he dismissed the fact that at the time baseball and ice hockey didn't test for them, contemptible. This was especially following the trial which nearly put him out of business. Steroids were rampant in the Attitude Era nad everybody knew it. Other illegal drugs were circulating too. McMahon defined 'reasonable cause' for a drug test to be if someone was spotted with a syringe hanging around. I don't suppose there are any other suspicious traits which might warrant a drug test? What changed? This is where I find the whole 'wellness policy' thing to be non-credible. I just don't buy that Vnice's laissez faire attitude to drugs has changed. What did you think of the doc? I thought it was quite interesting, espcially given the context. I haven't seen it, but it sounds interesting. As for how Vince feels about steroids today, I think that he wants his guys to be ripped and doesn't particularly care what they do to get that way. |
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Post by Dean-o on Dec 7, 2011 8:13:40 GMT -5
Where can I find this documentary?
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Dec 7, 2011 8:24:20 GMT -5
Search for it on YouTube. I gotta say, while I loved watching during the Attitude Era, I thought back then "I hope that nobody's got bad enough judgment to let their kids watch this." Turns out, lots of people did, even if their kid was just five.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 7, 2011 8:50:33 GMT -5
Vince was such an arrogant troll in that interview.
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Dec 7, 2011 9:35:59 GMT -5
Something makes me think Vince was slightly kayfabing the interviewer. We know at the time he was playing the supervillain of pro wrestling so perhaps he was being rude deliberately. However, they were discussing serious real-life issues, so i don't know.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Dec 7, 2011 17:48:04 GMT -5
I gotta shake my head at all the guys who were saying steroids and such weren't a problem. Jericho asking "Why should it matter?" for example. I know that they didn't want to say anything bad about the business that provided them with a livelihood, but I would say that all of the deaths over the 12 years since the special aired should answer Jericho's question. I wish I could go back in time and say to Chris "Your friend Eddie Guerrero is going to die before his fortieth birthday because of it. That's why it matters."
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Dec 7, 2011 18:22:00 GMT -5
People had to get caught under WCW's policy THREE TIMES before they were suspended. And the time between testing could be anything even as long as one year. The WWF, it seems, had stopped testing altogether. Vince McMahon is in the documentary arrogantly dismissive of the problem, probably largely because he himself is a heavy steroid user (allegedly).
Kevin Nash claimed there wasn't a problem with painkiller abuse in the business but there clearly was and I'd wager he knew it. Buff Bagwell says 'train like I do and then tell me I'm on steroids' which is TOTAL BS. Buff was using, big time, and outright obfuscating the whole point. Even Scotty Steiner said he was all natural.
Eric Bschoff says he didn't know who was and wasn't using steroids. This, to my mind, just characterizes wrestlers as a pack of liars and fraudsters, and is the sort of thing that would brng te business into serious disrepute. Especially when they all admit a few years later that they were lying. Hogan wasn't juicing in WCW? Please.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 7, 2011 19:31:57 GMT -5
I'm checking it out now. I will say that I was watching Off the Record with Michael Lansberg, and Sable was on. She was saying that if parents don't think the show is appropriate, they should keep their kids from watching. And my mom was in the room and was like, I guess I can't let you watch this anymore. And I was horrified, at the thought of not being allowed to watch wrestling.
The most disgusted she ever was when watching with me was twice. When Pat Patterson and Gerald Brisco were feeling up Chyna in a handicap match, and when the Big Bossman read his poem about the Big Show's Dad.
Also, after looking back at some Attitude era pay per views, Jim Ross really proves how good of a commentator he was. They would have the most absurd thing on tv, and JR wouldn't sell it and would try to keep everything serious and seem important. Or if he would sell it, it would be in a witty sort of fashion. Seeing some of the insanity during the Attitude Era and having Jim Ross call the action really helped the product I think.
I was also the same age as that kid at the time, the first one shown. And I was a mega fan of wrestling, and never had those issues in school.
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Post by bertheart90 on Dec 7, 2011 21:16:10 GMT -5
im sure turner had a "olympic standered drug test" didnt wcw employees qualify ?
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Post by wcw on Dec 7, 2011 23:19:13 GMT -5
McMahon was likely stuck in that 80's mentality about steroids. Its clear he didn't really care, MLB, NFL, and NHL really didn't have policies in place, the attitude about steroids has changed all around. Its shocking to see his steroid trial didn't change his view on them till years later on.
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Post by CrazySting on Dec 7, 2011 23:21:25 GMT -5
Good doc.
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 8, 2011 0:35:35 GMT -5
McMahon was likely stuck in that 80's mentality about steroids. Its clear he didn't really care, MLB, NFL, and NHL really didn't have policies in place, the attitude about steroids has changed all around. Its shocking to see his steroid trial didn't change his view on them till years later on. The WWF had a pretty strict steroids-testing policy from about late 1992 to around the beginning of the Attitude era. Then it trailed off until the death of Eddie Guerrero. |
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Post by wcw on Dec 8, 2011 0:40:07 GMT -5
McMahon was likely stuck in that 80's mentality about steroids. Its clear he didn't really care, MLB, NFL, and NHL really didn't have policies in place, the attitude about steroids has changed all around. Its shocking to see his steroid trial didn't change his view on them till years later on. The WWF had a pretty strict steroids-testing policy from about late 1992 to around the beginning of the Attitude era. Then it trailed off until the death of Eddie Guerrero. That's what I mean he put in a policy but once his trial ended and the heat was off of him a few years he just went back to the way it was in the 80's. The money was coming in and he just didn't care. If you were on trial for steroid distribution and you narrowly escaped wouldn't you always have some sort of policy in place even if its just for show? Just letting it trail off shows he really didn't learn much. |
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Post by ScottishProWrestling on Dec 8, 2011 1:41:20 GMT -5
On a side note, the first child is called Corey Fear!. Thats almost as much a perfect wrestling name as Blade Hart!
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Post by jadison on Dec 8, 2011 1:47:25 GMT -5
The WWF had a pretty strict steroids-testing policy from about late 1992 to around the beginning of the Attitude era. Then it trailed off until the death of Eddie Guerrero. That's what I mean he put in a policy but once his trial ended and the heat was off of him a few years he just went back to the way it was in the 80's. The money was coming in and he just didn't care. If you were on trial for steroid distribution and you narrowly escaped wouldn't you always have some sort of policy in place even if its just for show? Just letting it trail off shows he really didn't learn much. Vince phased the drug testing out in the mid 90s because of the financial problems the WWF had, and the problem of all the roid freaks just going to WCW instead, who had no testing policy. The testing put the WWF at a competitive disadvantage, which they were already at with WCW having virtually unlimited money and a more attractive road schedule. I bet Vince truly didn't think steroids were bad back then, and only instituted the program to keep the Feds off his ass. But now, with the Wellness Policy and how WWE takes care of former employees with drug issues, it seems that he gets it. Better late than never, I suppose. |
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