Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Nov 21, 2011 16:33:16 GMT -5
Miz and Truth didn't say anything about Rock coming back until the SS match was made.
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 21, 2011 16:40:35 GMT -5
I don't know, this just seems like wishful thinking for people who desperately want to see Punk emasculate Rock and rip his credibility to shreds on live TV.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Nov 21, 2011 16:42:46 GMT -5
Clearly I've struck a nerve. Allow me to elaborate.
I'm not referring to his initial run; everyone knows the Rock didn't have a problem putting anyone over, whereas Trips pretty much politicked his way to more than he deserved. However, as of recent, he hasn't done much, in my eyes, for this current crop.
Just to compare: During the "Summer of Punk" angle, one of Punk's main issues was that there was a whole lot of talent that the WWE wasn't using correctly, and that he was there to fix the status quo and "make WWE exciting again." Compare that with the Rock's promo during the go-home to Royal Rumble, where he pretty much said, "we went from the Attitude Era and Rock/Austin, to a crap generation headlined by a crap guy." Part of why I don't even see why Rock winning at WrestleMania would even be a considerable option; to me, it'd be the final nail in the coffin, the proverbial "taking the torch back" moment. Cena's been torn apart on here for burying Awesome Truth by himself, and rightfully so. I mean, how credible are they when they're pretty much made jobbers by one guy? Well, the Rock pretty much outshined and nearly buried all three of them last night. Not a single complaint.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Nov 21, 2011 16:44:57 GMT -5
lawl @ everyone who thinks he isn't referring, in kayfabe, to miz and truth. Yea that's what I thought too. But even if he's not kayfabing...I kind of agree with him. I mean, I do also kind of agree with some of the criticisms Punk and Orton have had about him, but you can't say that Rock coming back isn't good for business. Unless they're just paying him more money than he's earning them, and I highly doubt that.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Nov 21, 2011 16:47:53 GMT -5
Clearly I've struck a nerve. Allow me to elaborate. I'm not referring to his initial run; everyone knows the Rock didn't have a problem putting anyone over, whereas Trips pretty much politicked his way to more than he deserved. However, as of recent, he hasn't done much, in my eyes, for this current crop. Just to compare: During the "Summer of Punk" angle, one of Punk's main issues was that there was a whole lot of talent that the WWE wasn't using correctly, and that he was there to fix the status quo and "make WWE exciting again." Compare that with the Rock's promo during the go-home to Royal Rumble, where he pretty much said, "we went from the Attitude Era and Rock/Austin, to a crap generation headlined by a crap guy." Part of why I don't even see why Rock winning at WrestleMania would even be a considerable option; to me, it'd be the final nail in the coffin, the proverbial "taking the torch back" moment. Cena's been torn apart on here for burying Awesome Truth by himself, and rightfully so. I mean, how credible are they when they're pretty much made jobbers by one guy? Well, the Rock pretty much outshined and nearly buried all three of them last night. Not a single complaint. What does Rock calling out Cena and joking on him have to do with the entire generation? Sure Cena is the top dog today but he wasn't crapping on every single guy in the back. Just like hes not back to put over every single crop of guys out there. He isn't even interacting with them. Thats silly. His sights and eyes is set on Cena and only Cena. I can understand if he went out and started listing names. This guy sucks. That guy sucks. Rock is just being Rock and thats an ass. This is nothing new. As for Miz & Truth they were done from the start.Damage was done. Over. And people have been complaining about Rock doing damage last night. Its all over. Cant just generalize everything.
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Post by joebob27 on Nov 21, 2011 16:49:16 GMT -5
Clearly I've struck a nerve. Allow me to elaborate. I'm not referring to his initial run; everyone knows the Rock didn't have a problem putting anyone over, whereas Trips pretty much politicked his way to more than he deserved. However, as of recent, he hasn't done much, in my eyes, for this current crop. Just to compare: During the "Summer of Punk" angle, one of Punk's main issues was that there was a whole lot of talent that the WWE wasn't using correctly, and that he was there to fix the status quo and "make WWE exciting again." Compare that with the Rock's promo during the go-home to Royal Rumble, where he pretty much said, "we went from the Attitude Era and Rock/Austin, to a crap generation headlined by a crap guy." Part of why I don't even see why Rock winning at WrestleMania would even be a considerable option; to me, it'd be the final nail in the coffin, the proverbial "taking the torch back" moment. Cena's been torn apart on here for burying Awesome Truth by himself, and rightfully so. I mean, how credible are they when they're pretty much made jobbers by one guy? Well, the Rock pretty much outshined and nearly buried all three of them last night. Not a single complaint. He's been on TV exactly what, 3 times, not counting skits? Not quite sure what you expect. And it's a tad hard to put over people when you don't work matches and you bump a grand total of like 3 times when you do, because you have to be protected because of x, y, and z. If he works more and they don't use him to give people the rub (and let's be honest, he gave Hurricane the rub and that was worth about 5 cents as his career went), that's not necessarily his fault. They booked him to be god last night. Either they're stupid or there's a greater purpose to that. Calling him, and I guess by extension, them, out on it is a little silly until you know what that means.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Nov 21, 2011 16:56:55 GMT -5
I'm not saying he needs to bump like crazy or be on his back for everyone and their mama (hell, he came back to work a single match; the fact that he did Survivor Series was a bonus), but it wouldn't hurt if he put over some guys verbally while he's here. I know that's not his character, but considering it's more or less impossible to put over anyone physically while he's here, I think he can survive the caveat of complimenting a Superstar or two. I recall someone mentioning how he got "We Want Ryder" chants during his promo; he replied with "Woo woo woo, and all that... that sumbitch is tall!" Really? Sounded more like he was brushing him off than any sort of real acknowledgement.
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Nov 21, 2011 17:00:40 GMT -5
Punk seems happy that he's back.
And of course the Rock was glad Hogan was there....he made a huge payday out of it.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Nov 21, 2011 17:01:16 GMT -5
I'm not saying he needs to bump like crazy or be on his back for everyone and their mama (hell, he came back to work a single match; the fact that he did Survivor Series was a bonus), but it wouldn't hurt if he put over some guys verbally while he's here. I know that's not his character, but considering it's more or less impossible to put over anyone physically while he's here, I think he can survive the caveat of complimenting a Superstar or two. I recall someone mentioning how he got "We Want Ryder" chants during his promo; he replied with "Woo woo woo, and all that... that sumbitch is tall!" Really? Sounded more like he was brushing him off than any sort of real acknowledgement. He also said Im a fan and I like/love the guy. Did you even watch it? Rock is just a fun guy. He wasnt literally calling him a bitch. I liked his Ryder moment.
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Post by kriskomet on Nov 21, 2011 17:03:14 GMT -5
I'm not saying he needs to bump like crazy or be on his back for everyone and their mama (hell, he came back to work a single match; the fact that he did Survivor Series was a bonus), but it wouldn't hurt if he put over some guys verbally while he's here. I know that's not his character, but considering it's more or less impossible to put over anyone physically while he's here, I think he can survive the caveat of complimenting a Superstar or two. I recall someone mentioning how he got "We Want Ryder" chants during his promo; he replied with "Woo woo woo, and all that... that sumbitch is tall!" Really? Sounded more like he was brushing him off than any sort of real acknowledgement. You left out the part where The Rock said "I love that guy". He also smiled as soon as the "We Want Ryder" chants started.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Nov 21, 2011 17:06:54 GMT -5
I'm not saying he needs to bump like crazy or be on his back for everyone and their mama (hell, he came back to work a single match; the fact that he did Survivor Series was a bonus), but it wouldn't hurt if he put over some guys verbally while he's here. I know that's not his character, but considering it's more or less impossible to put over anyone physically while he's here, I think he can survive the caveat of complimenting a Superstar or two. I recall someone mentioning how he got "We Want Ryder" chants during his promo; he replied with "Woo woo woo, and all that... that sumbitch is tall!" Really? Sounded more like he was brushing him off than any sort of real acknowledgement. You left out the part where The Rock said "I love that guy". He also smiled as soon as the "We Want Ryder" chants started. He also said Miz was doing a fantastic job earlier this year. He praised the current crop of guys for doing a good job following the A Era. Noting that he knows its not easy following that. He praised Punk on his MITB win. Like someone said I think they are taking this thing to the heart a little too hard.
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Arrow
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Post by Arrow on Nov 21, 2011 17:10:58 GMT -5
If Ryder was over enough to have people chant for him during Rock's speech, then he doesn't really need Rock to put him over, does he? Rock's here for this one match and this one feud with Cena, who'll likely be winning at WrestleMania anyway, he doesn't really need to get involved with anyone else.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 21, 2011 17:17:44 GMT -5
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Boozeman
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Post by Boozeman on Nov 21, 2011 17:36:16 GMT -5
He's obviously talking about Punk and he's totally right. Punk seems insecure or just flat out butthurt about The Rock being back. He just took shots at him again in that SI podcast the other day.
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Post by diegorivera on Nov 21, 2011 18:22:27 GMT -5
We crap on the current state of affairs in the WWE. Old AA stars don't. Cena catches crap from we of the peanut gallery. His actual peers; Austin, Hart, Foley, Flair and even Rock before the Mania build up have all praised the man as a performer. They've praised a lot of the current roster and do not seem to hold themselves as superior as performers.
Now they might think they were bigger draws and were a lot more popular and didn't have to deal with as many stupid storylines and restrictions on their characters, and they'd be right, (mileage varies, obviously.)
Rock hasn't said anything about Cena or the current product that we haven't already said with much more venom and much less consideration. The fact that he's showing up and performing for the company says everything that really matters about the situation; the product isn't so bad The Rock wouldn't be involved with it. John Cena isn't so bad Rock wouldn't have a match with him, a match he'll probably job at that. CM Punk has buried the product far worse than Rock or anyone else in recent memory.
On that subject, Punk is either a really jealous and petty man or someone who likes stirring the s*** for his own benefit.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 21, 2011 18:50:26 GMT -5
Getting back to the original comment, what exactly did Hogan putting over Rock accomplish? The irony is that Rock largely vanished from the scene for the rest of 2002 (aside from his brief title run where he was there to job to Lesnar in the misguided attempt to push Brock before he was ready). Hogan was actually on the roster for the rest of 2002 and into 2003 before he had a falling out with Vince during the goofy Mr. America angle.
The irony here is that Rock was so willing to do jobs to nearly anyone that him jobbing really didn't get anyone over. He jobbed to Steph on Raw one time, or to Boss Man, Henry one time on PPV. Did any of this matter or get anyone over?
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Post by ronin705 on Nov 21, 2011 19:03:39 GMT -5
man , i hate threads like this. "waah, waah, rock is getting MY guy over" is what it boils down to. I really dislike Punk for what he said on the SI podcast too, because he knows damn well the extra media attention was there FOR the rock and he seems too intelligent a man not to see that from the gate. So either he's jealous or it's a prerequisite once you become part of HHH's golden boys club.
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Nov 21, 2011 19:04:26 GMT -5
guys, Guys, GUYS
It's a work. Come on.
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Post by moneyman20 on Nov 21, 2011 19:17:25 GMT -5
Apparently some of you have had some sort of personal problem with Rock with the way some of you have reacted to this.
Come on guys there's no real hatred here. Why would there be? Rock has helped given these guys big paydays, the only reason guys like Orton and Punk are saying anything is because they want dibs on Rock after the Cena feud.
The Rock hate is starting to get Cena hate levels of stupid......how ironic.
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Post by foreveryoung on Nov 21, 2011 19:29:31 GMT -5
Smurf it.
THe way I see it, Triple H can go out there, book himself to look better then Punk (despite them building Punk to be "thee guy" mind you) and can beat Punk 1-2-3, without Punk get his return match and now he's the world champ who just lost to a part time wrestler, I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with a bigger star looking like the best.
The Rock is more over then anyone in the WWE right now, hes a bigger star then anyone in the WWE. You do the honors as the top guy so the next top guy can get to that level. Hate to say it but there isn't ONE GUY who will EVER be on the rock's level again, unless you can resurrect a prime Hogan or Austin.
guys like Orton and Punk can whine all they want there is no use for Rock to job to these guys. None of them will ever universally be on the rock's level. So until someone LEGIT comes close I see no reason too.
Just because its supposedly some "time honored tradition" or something, doesn't mean it HAS to be done. Or smart to do. You have consider the circumstance.
Hogan putting over Rock made sense since Rock was "arguably" on his way to that level (but he went to hollywood).. But the guys today? They just aren't on that level. Sorry
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