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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 25, 2012 21:15:50 GMT -5
Granted, he's not one of my favorites, but no matter how much they job him out, he still get big pops from the crowd. If they need to make new stars, THERE'S one right there. Makes no sense.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 25, 2012 21:24:19 GMT -5
I don't get it either. I know people love to point to the stuff with Swagger but that is forgetting he was KO'd during the match. How he didn't get the US belt after his face turn is beyond me.
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Post by suben on Jun 25, 2012 21:30:47 GMT -5
I don't get it either. I know people love to point to the stuff with Swagger but that is forgetting he was KO'd during the match. How he didn't get the US belt after his face turn is beyond me. He's always had really bad timing issues and whatnot though. I'd say it's because he sucks but they're pushing Ryback soooo... |
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Post by therageofeeyore on Jun 25, 2012 21:31:56 GMT -5
agreed...he does get one hell of a pop every time his music hits. They had a golden opportunity after having him go over Miz.
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Post by revolver86 on Jun 26, 2012 3:56:14 GMT -5
Because the guy makes John Cena look like the most interesting man in the world. I swear, almost everyone else on the roster deserves a push over Alex f***ing Riley. As I just stated in another thread, my frustration with smarks loving people not getting pushed is getting f***ing exhausting. He's a talentless hack, and the fact they he gets more love on these boards than Derrick Bateman, Johnny Curtis, and the beyond amazing Tyson Kidd combined really saddens me. What happened to you guys? Maybe I have dodgy memory, but I remember a time when smarks liked folks with talent, not pretty boys they can include in their slash-fics!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 26, 2012 4:04:28 GMT -5
Because the guy makes John Cena look like the most interesting man in the world. I swear, almost everyone else on the roster deserves a push over Alex f***ing Riley. As I just stated in another thread, my frustration with smarks loving people not getting pushed is getting f***ing exhausting. He's a talentless hack, and the fact they he gets more love on these boards than Derrick Bateman, Johnny Curtis, and the beyond amazing Tyson Kidd combined really saddens me. What happened to you guys? Maybe I have dodgy memory, but I remember a time when smarks liked folks with talent, not pretty boys they can include in their slash-fics! I like all those guys too, but Riley does get bigger pops than all of them combined. His charisma more than makes up for any of his other flaws. Not everyone can be Chris Benoit in the ring, and not everyone can be The Rock on the mic. Riley does have talent. He might not be a technical wizard, but he has a flashy, high energy moveset that pops the crowd. And he manages to perfectly mesh brawling, power moves, and cruiserweight-style aerial attacks. Just like Bryan and Punk proved to be more than just vanilla midgets, maybe a guy like Riley can disprove the stereotype that pretty boys can't wrestle. Zack Ryder (who I flove) had to make a YouTube show to connect with the fans. Ted DiBiase (who I also flove) had to throw tailgate parties to get over. By comparison, Alex Riley managed to make that same connection with the WWE Universe with very little effort. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 26, 2012 4:13:03 GMT -5
Riley's got some pretty good athleticism (remember the Royal Rumble where he flew into the New Nexus), but he still seems pretty green even on the occasion that he actually wrestles.
I have to admit he gets some pretty good pops, even in Superstars purgatory. He's got a pretty good theme song, which has to help in that regard.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jun 26, 2012 4:23:40 GMT -5
It's because of Washington D.C.
Capitol Punishment was in Riley's hometown of D.C. and he was getting HUGE pops leading up to his match with The Miz in random cities. So what happens at CP? He gets NOTHING! No reaction. He got a small cheer when they said where he was from and that was it. Then the match along with the crowd was boring and it was upsetting. If the crowd cared, it could have been huge for him.
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Post by blues on Jun 26, 2012 5:55:12 GMT -5
A-RI and Z-RY. The new tag team champions!
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jun 26, 2012 6:06:38 GMT -5
A-RI and Z-RY. The new tag team champions! Either throw Ryback in there or these two get killed by him |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 26, 2012 6:16:12 GMT -5
A-RI and Z-RY. The new tag team champions! It actually makes sense storyline wise, and I would mark for that very much. You have two guys who got the pushes of their careers in 2011, but now in 2012 they became non-entities despite having the fans firmly behind them. Their theme songs have great mash up potential. I picture Riley & Ryder's theme song as a pop-punk/screamo type of song with lyrics from both Radio and Say it To My Face. "Ohhhhhh, Radio, tell me everything you know....TO MY FACE!!!!!" Only thing I would hate if they became a tag team is if one of them were reduced to a clone of the other (Don't make Riley a Broski) or if the two became some kind of weird two man hive mind (i.e. Awesome Truth). I would actually try to make them look as like as much of a team as possible while preserving their individual identities (Hawkins & Reks actually do a good job at this). Don't change their characters, just give them a matching color scheme. Riley would still be the super intense Diet Cena anomaly, while Ryder would still have all his frills, but they'd wear matching colors at all times. Also both of these guys are so over as faces that once one or both of them are ready for bigger things, you'd have to break them up as peacefully and quietly as possible. |
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Post by pepsitwist on Jun 26, 2012 6:18:57 GMT -5
This isn't Smackdown vs RAW
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 26, 2012 14:31:13 GMT -5
Because the guy makes John Cena look like the most interesting man in the world. I swear, almost everyone else on the roster deserves a push over Alex f***ing Riley. As I just stated in another thread, my frustration with smarks loving people not getting pushed is getting f***ing exhausting. He's a talentless hack, and the fact they he gets more love on these boards than Derrick Bateman, Johnny Curtis, and the beyond amazing Tyson Kidd combined really saddens me. What happened to you guys? Maybe I have dodgy memory, but I remember a time when smarks liked folks with talent, not pretty boys they can include in their slash-fics! Yes, because when I mentioned in my post he's not my favorite in the world, that means "OH MAH GAWD HE'S MY FAVORITE AND NEEDS TO BE PUSHED TO THE MOOOOOON!" Next time actually read my post before spouting off. Thanks. |
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jun 26, 2012 14:34:16 GMT -5
Because the guy makes John Cena look like the most interesting man in the world. I swear, almost everyone else on the roster deserves a push over Alex f***ing Riley. As I just stated in another thread, my frustration with smarks loving people not getting pushed is getting f***ing exhausting. He's a talentless hack, and the fact they he gets more love on these boards than Derrick Bateman, Johnny Curtis, and the beyond amazing Tyson Kidd combined really saddens me. What happened to you guys? Maybe I have dodgy memory, but I remember a time when smarks liked folks with talent, not pretty boys they can include in their slash-fics! I too am not a fan of "they're not pushing this guy, so let's rally behind him", but the thing about A-Ri isn't really that people are really into more so than "this guy does absolutely nothing but gets ridiculously huge reactions when he comes out so why don't they do something about it?". I was at a house show a couple months ago and was astonished how loud the crowd popped for A-Ri when he hadn't been on TV in months. |
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Post by BigWill on Jun 26, 2012 14:37:30 GMT -5
I don't get it either. I know people love to point to the stuff with Swagger but that is forgetting he was KO'd during the match. How he didn't get the US belt after his face turn is beyond me. I watched that segment multiple times after it happened, and never saw this "KO" that some people seem to think they saw. It seems more like people were just reaching for a reason to defend him. And maybe if Riley was a veteran in the ring and known for putting on great matches I could believe he was just knocked loopy. But that wasn't the first time Riley's botched what should have been a fairly simple move. So I'm more inclined to believe he really didn't know how to take the move right. |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jun 26, 2012 14:39:15 GMT -5
they did push him. outside of his feud with the Miz he wasn't interesting enough.
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Post by Arrow on Jun 26, 2012 14:45:03 GMT -5
I don't really care either way about Alex Riley, but it's situations like his and Zack Ryder that baffle me. In an age where midcarders who are actually over (despite being booked irrelevantly for months or more), and can sell merchandise, are very rare, it seems to me that WWE would be doing as much as they could to showcase these guys as much as possible. Yet they absolutely refuse to do it. I'm not saying that Riley and Ryder need to be pushed to the main event, or must be the center of every show, but it's not like WWE would be losing anything by putting them on the main shows and having them go after midcard belts.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 26, 2012 14:51:35 GMT -5
There was nothing wrong with slowing down Alex Riley's push, but why turn him into a complete jobber when you could easily slot him into a semi-credible JTTS role.
Look at WM28. Riley could've gotten on Team Teddy, but they chose to put a barely mobile Khali and a commentator in Booker T on the team instead. Sure Riley wasn't "credibile" enough, but credibility doesn't matter when Dolph Ziggler is on the other team. Ziggler would flop around for Stansky and Rosenberg if he wanted to. Not to mention that aside from Mark Henry, Team Johnny had an unestablished Otunga and four guys who had also been reduced to jobberdom (Ziggler, Swagger, Miz, McIntyre) so it's not like it would've been completely one sided.
Look at the Beat the Clock Challenge where Daniel Bryan initially became #1 Contender for the title. Riley could've easily been the guy to do the job for Bryan, but instead they had Jerry Lawler get up from the commentary table.
Sure Riley might not have been very good in the ring, but I blame that on his booking. He should've been doing a lot more. When Riley was with the Miz he barely got any ring time outside of squash matches with whomever Miz was feuding with. Riley would only get better with experience, experience he wasn't really getting as just Miz's bump guy. And experience that he isn't really getting now when he does really short matches.
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Post by HBL on Jun 26, 2012 17:06:48 GMT -5
I don't get it too. I'm not a Riley fan by any means,he still needs big improvement. He has a type of image that WWE likes,is over with the fans,so I don't know whythey at least don't let him work once in two weeks or so.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jun 26, 2012 17:29:04 GMT -5
I do find it baffling. Now I'm not really a fan, he's just there to me, don't love him or hate him but there's no doubt he is for some reason very over with the fans.
If the fans like him, he should be pushed, at least as a credible mid-carder similar to Kofi Kingston.
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