Most/Least valuable indy titles

[Jeremy]

Best/Worst Titles In The Indies?

And I mean by value. Based on history and title holders. Which ones are highly regarded and which ones are jokes?

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Considering that it's had multiple title reigns that have lasted more than a year, I would think that the ROH World Title has to be up there.

[Mr. Self-Destruct]

Jul 15, 2012 1:51:00 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Considering that it's had multiple title reigns that have lasted more than a year, I would think that the ROH World Title has to be up there.

Overly long, boring title reigns don't mean credibility.

Thankfully, a few of the overly long reigns had some good feuds.

I'd say that the NWA belt is pretty much a joke nowadays, compared to what it once was.

[notasmark]

I assume this thread will be filled with "ROH all the way!" replies but the most valuable indy title is the NWA World Title. Sure these days it isnt much but the title history counts. All those great matches, The International Exposure and the name value makes it the most valuable "Indy" Title today.

ROH wouldnt even be second on my list

[AdamAFL was sooooo wrong]

Jul 15, 2012 2:27:24 GMT -5 Mr. Self-Destruct said:

Jul 15, 2012 1:51:00 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Considering that it's had multiple title reigns that have lasted more than a year, I would think that the ROH World Title has to be up there.

Overly long, boring title reigns don't mean credibility.

Thankfully, a few of the overly long reigns had some good feuds.

I'd say that the NWA belt is pretty much a joke nowadays, compared to what it once was.

The ROH World Title, whether you enjoyed the reigns or not, is very prestigious because of the fact that it isn't handed around like there is no tomorrow. Plus the only year plus long reigns the ROH Title has had were Joe, Danielson and McGuinness. And I don't see how any of those reigns were boring in the slightest.

[AdamAFL was sooooo wrong]

Jul 15, 2012 5:49:00 GMT -5 notasmark said:

I assume this thread will be filled with "ROH all the way!" replies but the most valuable indy title is the NWA World Title. Sure these days it isnt much but the title history counts. All those great matches, The International Exposure and the name value makes it the most valuable "Indy" Title today.

ROH wouldnt even be second on my list

Taking into account all the history, for the most part the NWA Title is one of, if not the, most prestigious belt in all of wrestling. But currently the belt is not of the same value and hasn't been for a number of years now. Out of interest what would be second?

[theryno665]

Jul 15, 2012 5:53:36 GMT -5 AdamAFL was sooooo wrong said:

Jul 15, 2012 5:49:00 GMT -5 notasmark said:

I assume this thread will be filled with "ROH all the way!" replies but the most valuable indy title is the NWA World Title. Sure these days it isnt much but the title history counts. All those great matches, The International Exposure and the name value makes it the most valuable "Indy" Title today.

ROH wouldnt even be second on my list

Taking into account all the history, for the most part the NWA Title is one of, if not the, most prestigious belt in all of wrestling. But currently the belt is not of the same value and hasn't been for a number of years now. Out of interest what would be second?

I'd say the NWA belt has a bit better prestige now than it did before TNA. The period between ECW and TNA was the NWA title at its lowest. Even with the whole Shiek situation, it's still not as bad as it used to be.

[mcmahonfan85]

considering the slow, extremely quiet death of FIP, i would have to say their titles the least. starting with Erick Stevens win at Final Battle 2007, the FIP World Heavyweight Championship was used less to represent the top wrestler in FIP but instead to help get someone over in another promotion (Erick Stevens and Go Shiozaki in ROH, Davey Richards and Jon Moxley in Dragon Gate/DGUSA/EVOLVE)

the FIP Florida Heritage Championship became so useless that longest reigning champ Jake Manning (455 days, lost in his first defense) used it has a prop in $5 Wrestling when Sean Van Halen "stole" it so he could enter the Tournament of Champions

[kidkamikaze10]

This is ignoring international belts, and aiming more at the bigger indies.

For men, I think as of right now the NWA title is the most valuable, followed by the ROH title. Least would be either the CZW Wired title, or the FIP titles.

For women, the most valuable is of course the SHIMMER title. Least would be one of the many women's titles in lower NWA promotions.

[DXKramer]

I'm going to count it because it was the title of a former promotion, but I would place the WSX title pretty much a the bottom of the list of valuable titles.

[Starshine]

Is FIP even active anymore?

Jul 15, 2012 17:12:39 GMT -5 mcmahonfan85 said:

considering the slow, extremely quiet death of FIP, i would have to say their titles the least. starting with Erick Stevens win at Final Battle 2007, the FIP World Heavyweight Championship was used less to represent the top wrestler in FIP but instead to help get someone over in another promotion (Erick Stevens and Go Shiozaki in ROH, Davey Richards and Jon Moxley in Dragon Gate/DGUSA/EVOLVE)

the FIP Florida Heritage Championship became so useless that longest reigning champ Jake Manning (455 days, lost in his first defense) used it has a prop in $5 Wrestling when Sean Van Halen "stole" it so he could enter the Tournament of Champions

I'd say it was when Shiozaki won it that that became the issue. Stevens was a home grown FIP guy after all. The when GS split with ROH they obviously had no clue where to go and just stuck the belt on the indy guy of the month without any rhyme or reason before basically saying "f*** it" and giving up entirely.

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2012 20:57:03 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Is FIP even active anymore?

FCW is now running the old FIP venues in Florida, and the guys who ran FIP are now focusing on DGUSA/EVOLVE.

[Djm Doesn't Find You Funny]

For all of the insults and jokes people make about the NWA Title and have made for YEARS, people say that it's the most prestigious? In 2012?

Wow. Some of you seriously HATE indy wrestling, I think. Or just have something against it for whatever reason. Or you're hopelessly stuck in the past.

Anyway...the CHIKARA Campeones de Parejas seem to be the tag team titles to pay attention to and the ones that take the most work to win.

[Deleted]

It has a history to it, even if its not on national television anymore. One of the most important aspects of a championship is its lineage, in addition to the other things, such as the holders of it producing great matches.

[froggyfrog]

The ROH World Title is more prestigious ATM than the NWA Championship. Ever since NWA and TNA split its been all about Adam Pearce. A guy who would barely sniff ROH Title matches

[YiHammer]

I'd throw the Chikara tag belts up there. It's a pain to even earn a title shot. You have to win 3 matches in a row for a shot then win a 2/3 falls match

[kidkamikaze10]

Totally forgot about the Campeones de Parejas.

I think the Grand Championship might get a similar rule to the CdP soon.

[Deleted]

My problem with the NWA Championship is that the official lineage of the title might be to Ric Flairs and Harley Races of the world, but when the NWA left WCW, I felt that the NWA Title contiuned on as the WCW Championship then the WWE's WHC than its current Indy form. I feel the old WCW/WHC Champions have more claim to the NWA Championship lineage than Pearce, Albright, Cabana do. History means nothing if its value as a belt means nothing.

ROH World Championship, as much as I don't like Ring of Honor, is the most important belt in the indies at the moment. Its the only belt that has national television, PPVs, regularly defended and many of its champions have gone on to great success in WWE/TNA. The Dragon Gate USA's top titles would also quite high on the list, just due to the interest in multiple markets.

[sentonbomb]

Jul 16, 2012 9:16:34 GMT -5 @kingpatch said:

My problem with the NWA Championship is that the official lineage of the title might be to Ric Flairs and Harley Races of the world, but when the NWA left WCW, I felt that the NWA Title contiuned on as the WCW Championship then the WWE's WHC than its current Indy form. I feel the old WCW/WHC Champions have more claim to the NWA Championship lineage than Pearce, Albright, Cabana do. History means nothing if its value as a belt means nothing.

ROH World Championship, as much as I don't like Ring of Honor, is the most important belt in the indies at the moment. Its the only belt that has national television, PPVs, regularly defended and many of its champions have gone on to great success in WWE/TNA. The Dragon Gate USA's top titles would also quite high on the list, just due to the interest in multiple markets.

WCW left the NWA.

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Jul 16, 2012 10:05:29 GMT -5 sentonbomb said:

Jul 16, 2012 9:16:34 GMT -5 @kingpatch said:

My problem with the NWA Championship is that the official lineage of the title might be to Ric Flairs and Harley Races of the world, but when the NWA left WCW, I felt that the NWA Title contiuned on as the WCW Championship then the WWE's WHC than its current Indy form. I feel the old WCW/WHC Champions have more claim to the NWA Championship lineage than Pearce, Albright, Cabana do. History means nothing if its value as a belt means nothing.

ROH World Championship, as much as I don't like Ring of Honor, is the most important belt in the indies at the moment. Its the only belt that has national television, PPVs, regularly defended and many of its champions have gone on to great success in WWE/TNA. The Dragon Gate USA's top titles would also quite high on the list, just due to the interest in multiple markets.

WCW left the NWA.

Exactly. Some people don't understand what the NWA is. It's a group of promoters. WCW was one of several. They left the group.