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Post by cool guy on Jul 26, 2012 18:40:47 GMT -5
I just whatever they do that Punk/Cena doesn't turn into the new Cena/Orton or Orton/Triple H where we see it for 900 shows on end with the same two results every time (heel DQ'd and runs away or Face wins). Oh god, I hope not. I doubt it'll happen, though. I'd like to let DQing yourself during main events remain heel Orton's thing. We don't need anymore of that shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 19:12:00 GMT -5
I don't accept that he even is a heel. They better have a good explanation, because until they do, as far as I'm concerned, he isn't one. He left Cena to die at the hands of Big Show and then randomly attacked the guy who tried to save him. I can't think of a medium (pro wrestling, comic books, TV dramas) where that WOULDN'T make you the bad guy.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 26, 2012 19:49:50 GMT -5
I don't accept that he even is a heel. They better have a good explanation, because until they do, as far as I'm concerned, he isn't one. He left Cena to die at the hands of Big Show and then randomly attacked the guy who tried to save him. I can't think of a medium (pro wrestling, comic books, TV dramas) where that WOULDN'T make you the bad guy. Can they explain it as a "spur of the moment" kind of thing, like he wasn't thinking straight during Big Show attacking Cena?
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 26, 2012 20:22:25 GMT -5
My only fear with a Punk heel turn is that he won't be booked as a serious threat. The General booking philosophy with heels is they are mocked by Cena or HHH until no one takes them seriously. As long as Punk is allowed to go over the top babyfaces cleanly so that he is kept strong for The Rock, things will be fine. Of course, they couldn't even let Brock Freakin' Lesnar look like a threat, so I'm not all that optimistic. Didn't Lesnar break HHH's arm then brawl with him evenly till Heyman got him to back off? Looked pretty threatening to me.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 26, 2012 20:24:09 GMT -5
My only fear with a Punk heel turn is that he won't be booked as a serious threat. The General booking philosophy with heels is they are mocked by Cena or HHH until no one takes them seriously. As long as Punk is allowed to go over the top babyfaces cleanly so that he is kept strong for The Rock, things will be fine. Of course, they couldn't even let Brock Freakin' Lesnar look like a threat, so I'm not all that optimistic. Didn't Lesnar break HHH's arm then brawl with him evenly till Heyman got him to back off? Looked pretty threatening to me. Loss aside, Brock pretty much murdered Cena when they fought at Extreme Rules.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 26, 2012 20:26:33 GMT -5
My only fear with a Punk heel turn is that he won't be booked as a serious threat. The General booking philosophy with heels is they are mocked by Cena or HHH until no one takes them seriously. As long as Punk is allowed to go over the top babyfaces cleanly so that he is kept strong for The Rock, things will be fine. Of course, they couldn't even let Brock Freakin' Lesnar look like a threat, so I'm not all that optimistic. Didn't Lesnar break HHH's arm then brawl with him evenly till Heyman got him to back off? Looked pretty threatening to me. IMO Lesnar's looked incredibly strong at certain points. But even steven booking seems to have sort of muzzled it a little. I think most people's problem with how they've handled it is that with his credentials, and how they're built up, along with his special appearance schedule he should be a lot more dominant than he is. IMO right now he should be booked as strongly as the Undertaker.
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Post by flatsdomino on Jul 27, 2012 3:34:24 GMT -5
He left Cena to die at the hands of Big Show and then randomly attacked the guy who tried to save him. I can't think of a medium (pro wrestling, comic books, TV dramas) where that WOULDN'T make you the bad guy. Can they explain it as a "spur of the moment" kind of thing, like he wasn't thinking straight during Big Show attacking Cena? They could just say he was on drugs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 4:01:18 GMT -5
Maybe they were actually building to something with Punk not being in the main event for months? Like, he attacked The Rock because he was tired of other people like Cena and Show stealing the spotlight despite him being the WWE champion?
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Post by repomark on Jul 27, 2012 8:37:00 GMT -5
Maybe they were actually building to something with Punk not being in the main event for months? Like, he attacked The Rock because he was tired of other people like Cena and Show stealing the spotlight despite him being the WWE champion? I think you are right - and I think it is quite clever if so. He uses Randy Savage's elbow drop so why not use his whilst the champion heel turn move as well. It does make a lot of sense, and to be honest I kind of agree with a lot of people that the Rock had it coming given the way he appeared to challenge Punk earlier in the show. Logically as well, Punk has always said he dislikes Cena so why would he help him when Big Show is pounding him? Is it a heel turn, or just reverting to the character we all fell in love with last summer? If done right, this could be brilliant.
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Post by Arrow on Jul 27, 2012 8:51:03 GMT -5
It does make a lot of sense, and to be honest I kind of agree with a lot of people that the Rock had it coming given the way he appeared to challenge Punk earlier in the show. How exactly did Rock have it coming? He comes out, announces that the higher ups gave him a WWE title match at the Royal Rumble, and wishes Punk luck in his title match later. Just what about any of that would justify attacking him while he was in the process of saving someone else from a 400+ pound monster?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 27, 2012 8:56:22 GMT -5
It does make a lot of sense, and to be honest I kind of agree with a lot of people that the Rock had it coming given the way he appeared to challenge Punk earlier in the show. How exactly did Rock have it coming? He comes out, announces that the higher ups gave him a WWE title match at the Royal Rumble, and wishes Punk luck in his title match later. Just what about any of that would justify attacking him while he was in the process of saving someone else from a 400+ pound monster? Because he committed the unforgivable sin of dealing with Daniel Bryan first. He made Punk wait!
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Post by repomark on Jul 27, 2012 9:25:31 GMT -5
It does make a lot of sense, and to be honest I kind of agree with a lot of people that the Rock had it coming given the way he appeared to challenge Punk earlier in the show. How exactly did Rock have it coming? He comes out, announces that the higher ups gave him a WWE title match at the Royal Rumble, and wishes Punk luck in his title match later. Just what about any of that would justify attacking him while he was in the process of saving someone else from a 400+ pound monster? Lol - maybe "he had it coming" was overstating it, but I do see a level of justification. Punk spent months slagging both the Rock and Cena in the lead up and following Money in the Bank last year, but then stopped verbalising this once he got side tracked into his feud with Triple H and title run that eventually followed. However, that does not mean in terms of continuity he is meant to forget he hates them both just because he is a babyface now. The Rock has not been on WWE television since the Miami Raw after Wrestlemania in April, and turns up on Raw 1000 to say "hey Punk good luck tonight I am taking your title if you still have it at the Royal Rumble." That is quite a reason to hit him with a GTS I would have thought, as there is a level of cheek/arrogance in doing that. Now if the roles were reversed and Punk did that to Rock or indeed Austin or any of the "anti hero" faces of the day, you would expect them to react physically, and take them out at some point to make a statement. The point where Punk chose to do it was merely because the opportunity presented itself. He had no reason to save Cena in my book as he is meant to hate him. I can remember examples of Austin walking away when Rock was getting beaten up by others with a smile on his face, so why can't Punk be the guy who doesn't just switch his allegiances based on whether he is a face or a heel - much like Austin did? Of course he has turned heel (Lawler's commentary gives that away with the whole he turned his back on the WWE Universe line) but I think it would be far more interesting if they kept a few grey areas with this. He certainly is right that the focus of the show has not been Punk despite him being the champion, and it writes itself from there.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 27, 2012 10:06:21 GMT -5
He had no reason to save Cena in my book as he is meant to hate him. I seem to remember him saying "I don't hate you, John" back during the "Pipebomb" era.
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Post by repomark on Jul 27, 2012 10:28:12 GMT -5
He had no reason to save Cena in my book as he is meant to hate him. I seem to remember him saying "I don't hate you, John" back during the "Pipebomb" era. Don't remember the specific quote in question, but was that not followed up with "I am just sick of you being shoved down our throats..." or something along those lines? Which follows on with the "Cena still being focus of the show despite Punk being champ" logic. Indeed it might still be heel logic right enough. But I think quite a few will have sympathy with that logic depending on how WWE present Punk. He was the heel lets not forget going into the feud with Cena last year prior to MITB. He was always going to get cheered in Chicago right enough, but there was more of a swing towards him outwith the Windy city due to him expressing some thoughts on Cena/Rock/Triple H etc. If he goes into full on "worked shoot" promo mode again then I am really looking forward to it. He wanted to start a revolution before, and it never happened because the same people are still the focus of the show etc etc.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 27, 2012 10:37:26 GMT -5
I seem to remember him saying "I don't hate you, John" back during the "Pipebomb" era. Don't remember the specific quote in question, but was that not followed up with "I am just sick of you being shoved down our throats..." or something along those lines? Which follows on with the "Cena still being focus of the show despite Punk being champ" logic. Indeed it might still be heel logic right enough. But I think quite a few will have sympathy with that logic depending on how WWE present Punk. He was the heel lets not forget going into the feud with Cena last year prior to MITB. He was always going to get cheered in Chicago right enough, but there was more of a swing towards him outwith the Windy city due to him expressing some thoughts on Cena/Rock/Triple H etc. If he goes into full on "worked shoot" promo mode again then I am really looking forward to it. He wanted to start a revolution before, and it never happened because the same people are still the focus of the show etc etc. If he goes back to whining because WWE hasn't hired all his buddies (Colt, Steele, Timmy Baltimore, Dave Prazak, Festus, etc.), I don't know how sympathetic it'll really be (aside from that people generally like Colt, heh).
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