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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 6, 2012 20:53:55 GMT -5
Last one reached 30: officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=offtopic&action=display&thread=434467Latest happenings: -Avengers are still acting like jerks to each other. -X-Men are still acting like jerks to each other. -Blaccuweather splits up (Black Panther and Storm). -Green Lantern's boyfriend got put in the fridge. -The New 52 approaches year 1. -MARVEL Now on the horizon. -No one cares about Stephanie Brown. -And much much more!
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Aug 6, 2012 21:00:32 GMT -5
Post AVX I want a spin off called "Jerkstore" featuring a Black Panther/Cyclops/Iron Man team
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Aug 6, 2012 21:43:24 GMT -5
-No one cares about Stephanie Brown. Ahem I'd much rather have Setph back than Barb right now, her book sucks hardcore and is coasting by on nostalgia.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 6, 2012 21:48:43 GMT -5
-No one cares about Stephanie Brown. Ahem I'd much rather have Setph back than Barb right now, her book sucks hardcore and is coasting by on nostalgia. I was actually referencing the apparent reason behind her removal from Smallville.
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Aug 6, 2012 21:55:46 GMT -5
She was in Smallville?
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 6, 2012 21:58:22 GMT -5
The new post-series comic book. She was suppose to be in the new Smallville comic series in one issue or so, but she got switched out for Babs, apparently cause she's got tenure/name recognition. Posted about it in the last thread.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Aug 6, 2012 22:01:50 GMT -5
The new post-series comic book. She was suppose to be in the new Smallville comic series in one issue or so, but she got switched out for Babs, apparently cause she's got tenure/name recognition. Posted about it in the last thread. If your created after the Silver age you don't matter.
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Post by Legion on Aug 7, 2012 7:19:08 GMT -5
The new post-series comic book. She was suppose to be in the new Smallville comic series in one issue or so, but she got switched out for Babs, apparently cause she's got tenure/name recognition. Posted about it in the last thread. If your created after the Silver age you don't matter. Something that is also moving over to the video games, with the third Arkham game set in the Silver Age. It's funny how DC went through about 5 universe wide reboots to ditch the Silver Age.........
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Post by dav on Aug 7, 2012 11:16:50 GMT -5
Not essentially because of poor story telling or anything like that, but more of the fact of that everything now essentially hangs on the whims of whoever's in charge at the moment and their vision basically sets in store what they want above all else. Long standing characters, stories and canon are all subject to whether or not a small group of people like them enough to write about them, or throw the whole thing away if they so wish.
One major example of this was One More Day. Over twenty years of continuity thrown out of the window essentially because one guy thought he knew best out of the entire writing staff and fandom. Another is the Batman series where characters like Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain, characters with large fanbases, are left to the wayside largely because that the current group of editors want comics to be exactly what they remember from their childhood as opposed to actually progressing what's come before.
It's gotten to the point of, why should I care? Why should I care about these characters when with a few issues, an entire Universe can be rewritten so a bunch of writers get to fulfill what they want to see. The New 52 could have been an interesting way to modernise DC by starting completely from scratch to bring in story elements that had been introduced for over seventy years of different stories told. Instead, it became a hodge podge of exactly what the writers wanted themselves with certain things cherry picked and others changed for no real reason. Hell, a long standing character's entire sexuality was changed simply because they wanted a gay character.
It's like what people criticise WWE about. If the company wants something, then everyone else can go and swivel. Death is another factor in this where nothing matters when you know for a fact that pretty much every person who dies will pop back up before too long. Knightfall handled it much better when Bruce Wayne's back was broken and the question was more of him getting back to his former peak. Death wasn't cheapened and his eventual return to the mantle of Batman was no less triumphant because of him surviving.
Escalation is something similar to this where Marvel's constant earth shattering stories that happen once every summer and perhaps a bit more often, just seem to get in the way of the stories. Everything has to be put on hold so that for a few months, a huge crossover event can happen that isn't really all that good anyway and the supposed pernament effects last for a grand total of a year at the most.
Granted, this all happened in the past no doubt but I don't know if it was ever to this extent. Storytelling was never sacrificed on such a scale where an entire cornerstone of a person's character was sacrificed or an entire Universe completely rewritten, not because of them wanting to straighten decades of continuity things out, but because they wanted it to fit their vision alone.
I just can't get into comics now when things have been cheapened and a character I want to read more about gets dropped because the current staff doesn't like them all that much or because they weren't from the Silver Age. Why bother investing from the modern period at all when it just doesn't seem to matter?
TLDR: Nothing really seems to matter and Joe Q isn't a very trustworthy person to put in charge of Spider-Man.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 7, 2012 11:46:18 GMT -5
Just a heads-up: I moved dav's post in here as it was more appropriate for this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 13:27:52 GMT -5
So, I was WAYYY behind on my comic book reading. My to-be-read stack (or...box, since I keep them stood up in a box and not stacked...but whatever. You get the point) dated all the way back to April.
With nothing to do the past few weeks, I'm...semi-caught up. It's been an enjoyable reading adventure, though.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 7, 2012 15:20:41 GMT -5
I think, to add to dav's point, that with the focus on movies and TV, it ends up shaping expectations in comics. I've mentioned before how I liked The Question from JLU, and when I looked for comics by the time the show ended, all the newer stuff was focused on the successor Montoya rather than the one from the show. The same goes for pretty much any "new" idea or development in comics, with a few exceptions like Reyes Blue Beetle and some of the people in YJ. It happens to MARVEL as well, from X-Men and Spider-Man on, over how the outside media changes comic so much. You don't even have to look that far. Just take a look at Nick Fury Jr. And speaking of MARVEL, from Dan Slott's twitter over MARVEL NOW. So, it's basically trying to avoid the same issues DC had with their New 52.
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Post by Legion on Aug 7, 2012 15:32:44 GMT -5
Yeah, Marvel NOW isn't a reboot, it's just a creative switch up dressed up as something big.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 7, 2012 15:56:55 GMT -5
Not essentially because of poor story telling or anything like that, but more of the fact of that everything now essentially hangs on the whims of whoever's in charge at the moment and their vision basically sets in store what they want above all else. Long standing characters, stories and canon are all subject to whether or not a small group of people like them enough to write about them, or throw the whole thing away if they so wish. One major example of this was One More Day. Over twenty years of continuity thrown out of the window essentially because one guy thought he knew best out of the entire writing staff and fandom. Another is the Batman series where characters like Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain, characters with large fanbases, are left to the wayside largely because that the current group of editors want comics to be exactly what they remember from their childhood as opposed to actually progressing what's come before. It's gotten to the point of, why should I care? Why should I care about these characters when with a few issues, an entire Universe can be rewritten so a bunch of writers get to fulfill what they want to see. The New 52 could have been an interesting way to modernise DC by starting completely from scratch to bring in story elements that had been introduced for over seventy years of different stories told. Instead, it became a hodge podge of exactly what the writers wanted themselves with certain things cherry picked and others changed for no real reason. Hell, a long standing character's entire sexuality was changed simply because they wanted a gay character. It's like what people criticise WWE about. If the company wants something, then everyone else can go and swivel. Death is another factor in this where nothing matters when you know for a fact that pretty much every person who dies will pop back up before too long. Knightfall handled it much better when Bruce Wayne's back was broken and the question was more of him getting back to his former peak. Death wasn't cheapened and his eventual return to the mantle of Batman was no less triumphant because of him surviving. Escalation is something similar to this where Marvel's constant earth shattering stories that happen once every summer and perhaps a bit more often, just seem to get in the way of the stories. Everything has to be put on hold so that for a few months, a huge crossover event can happen that isn't really all that good anyway and the supposed pernament effects last for a grand total of a year at the most. Granted, this all happened in the past no doubt but I don't know if it was ever to this extent. Storytelling was never sacrificed on such a scale where an entire cornerstone of a person's character was sacrificed or an entire Universe completely rewritten, not because of them wanting to straighten decades of continuity things out, but because they wanted it to fit their vision alone. I just can't get into comics now when things have been cheapened and a character I want to read more about gets dropped because the current staff doesn't like them all that much or because they weren't from the Silver Age. Why bother investing from the modern period at all when it just doesn't seem to matter? TLDR: Nothing really seems to matter and Joe Q isn't a very trustworthy person to put in charge of Spider-Man. very well put, friend. I think it's totally ass-backwards that some writers think that what they specifically want themselves is more important than what the fans want. I personally think there's a lot of good to come out of the new 52, but the Teen Titans, JSA and Batman's supporting family of titles have been absolutely gutted beyond repair for no good reason. also, Marvel NOW! is just another gimmick from Joe Q's big bag of hyperbole. I think it's great that they're changing things up a bit (some guys, Bendis in particular, were out of ideas on the books they were working on before) but let's not pretend this is anything special. Marvel's gone to the "everything changes! buy all our rubbish!" well one too many times in the last few years for me to give a s*** anymore. they need to learn a new tune, and could probably stand to hire a new advertising consultant.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 7, 2012 16:14:37 GMT -5
Yeah, Marvel NOW isn't a reboot, it's just a creative switch up dressed up as something big. And costume redesigns, because unnecessary armor is cool, apparently.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 7, 2012 16:37:05 GMT -5
it really is the 90s all over again. how long before Iron Man becomes a teenager and Wasp gets turned into some sort of bug creature again?
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 7, 2012 16:48:27 GMT -5
I will say, at least MARVEL doesn't seem to get bogged down as much on the past and things seem to have some consequence during their events (non-death wise), even if they are a factory of asshole characters. It doesn't feel the same with DC.
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Post by Legion on Aug 7, 2012 18:51:27 GMT -5
it really is the 90s all over again. how long before Iron Man becomes a teenager and Wasp gets turned into some sort of bug creature again? Wasp dead fo'l
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 8, 2012 7:55:29 GMT -5
then she'll come back... as a mutant wasp creature.
I still think it's hilarious that Marvel killed her off because Bendis and Quesada don't like her just before she became the breakout character in the cartoon. and people say DC is terrible about synchronizing their comics and animation.
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Post by Legion on Aug 8, 2012 8:23:07 GMT -5
Wasp will be back if she's in Ant Man and Ant Man is Pym.
However people keep trying to tell me it's going to be Scott Lang, so maybe she wont be back any time soon?
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