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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Apr 22, 2012 18:33:21 GMT -5
This concept popped into my head the other day while reading my weekly comics. Generally, whenever the words "reboot" or "retcon" are mentioned, the immediate kneejerk response is "FAIL". But there have to be some out there that actually made things better, right?
The character that made me think of this was the Spider-Man villain Rhino. In the past, he was always portrayed as the epitome of dumb muscle, a big lug that was a step above mentally retarded just ramming himself into things. But in the past couple years, he's been changed into a fairly intelligent character with a pretty tragic back-story now. Not only is the character more interesting from a personality standpoint, but he's also been upgraded in a major way as a threat, recently being able to take out Thor with an assist from an Asgardian artifact on his horn. Response to the change in character, especially the Joe Kelly-written issues that rewrote his personality and story, have been pretty widely acclaimed.
So are there any other ones out there that either you personally enjoyed and/or achieved critical acclaim?
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Post by Legion on Apr 22, 2012 18:41:06 GMT -5
Some retcons are fine. The best example has to be the reveal that Bucky didn't die. That just worked out brilliantly.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Apr 22, 2012 18:45:25 GMT -5
Another retcon that has worked wonders on the character involved is Mr. Freeze's origin.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 22, 2012 18:49:18 GMT -5
All of the above mentioned ^
Outside comics, Stallone ignoring "Rocky 5" worked out well in "Rocky Balboa" and helped tell a better story.
In comics, "Brand New Day" *runs away*
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Post by King Ghidorah on Apr 22, 2012 18:51:28 GMT -5
Mortal Kombat.
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Post by Legion on Apr 22, 2012 18:54:52 GMT -5
I'm going to e controversial.
The reason he survived is terrible, but I have to admit to being a fan of Red Hood/Jason Todd.
Had he survived any other way than evil Superboy had a hissy fit and punched reality and we'd be golden
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Apr 22, 2012 19:00:33 GMT -5
I'm going to e controversial. The reason he survived is terrible, but I have to admit to being a fan of Red Hood/Jason Todd. Had he survived any other way than evil Superboy had a hissy fit and punched reality and we'd be golden It is why I love the take on Red Hood's origin in Batman: Under the Red Hood WAAAAAAAY better than his comic book origin. In the film, after Todd "died", he was taken to a Lazarus Pit and was simply brought back to life. No reality breaking bullshit.
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Post by Legion on Apr 22, 2012 19:04:21 GMT -5
I'm going to e controversial. The reason he survived is terrible, but I have to admit to being a fan of Red Hood/Jason Todd. Had he survived any other way than evil Superboy had a hissy fit and punched reality and we'd be golden It is why I love the take on Red Hood's origin in Batman: Under the Red Hood WAAAAAAAY better than his comic book origin. In the film, after Todd "died", he was taken to a Lazarus Pit and was simply brought back to life. No reality breaking bulls***. See, DC had a perfect opportunity to make that official with the new 52. It even fits in with his relationship with Talia and the LoS
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Post by mjolnir on Apr 22, 2012 19:52:00 GMT -5
It is why I love the take on Red Hood's origin in Batman: Under the Red Hood WAAAAAAAY better than his comic book origin. In the film, after Todd "died", he was taken to a Lazarus Pit and was simply brought back to life. No reality breaking bulls***. See, DC had a perfect opportunity to make that official with the new 52. It even fits in with his relationship with Talia and the LoS I agree with you, Legion. As a fan of Todd, I was happy to see him back. I was even happier when he first appeared as a shades of gray anti-hero that the aforementioned animated film cast him as. But like you two, I vastly preferred that film's explanation over the reality. It even adds another tragic tinge to the Ra's and Bruce relationship. Ra's was trying to help Bruce...he just f***ed up in doing so.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 22, 2012 19:56:21 GMT -5
Not comics but first that came to mind...
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 22, 2012 21:20:57 GMT -5
I'm going to e controversial. The reason he survived is terrible, but I have to admit to being a fan of Red Hood/Jason Todd. Had he survived any other way than evil Superboy had a hissy fit and punched reality and we'd be golden I liked the movie where they made it Ras al'Ghul using a lazarus pit to bring him back. that made a lot more sense and I have no idea why they didn't use the recent continuity reboot to make that the canonical version. also, you can argue that Geoff Johns' mind-control retcon that made Parallax an independent character and saved Hal Jordan from being a mass murderer was possibly the most successful retcon in comics history.
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 22, 2012 21:31:38 GMT -5
We'll have to see in the sequel to be sure, but possibly the Star Trek reboot.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Apr 22, 2012 21:37:08 GMT -5
I'm going to e controversial. The reason he survived is terrible, but I have to admit to being a fan of Red Hood/Jason Todd. Had he survived any other way than evil Superboy had a hissy fit and punched reality and we'd be golden I liked the movie where they made it Ras al'Ghul using a lazarus pit to bring him back. that made a lot more sense and I have no idea why they didn't use the recent continuity reboot to make that the canonical version. also, you can argue that Geoff Johns' mind-control retcon that made Parallax an independent character and saved Hal Jordan from being a mass murderer was possibly the most successful retcon in comics history. Yeah, how many retcons do you know were the catalyst for three crossover events, two of which are among the most acclaimed of the crossover events of the 2000s(don't know how well received Brightest Day was)?
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 22, 2012 21:40:02 GMT -5
I liked the movie where they made it Ras al'Ghul using a lazarus pit to bring him back. that made a lot more sense and I have no idea why they didn't use the recent continuity reboot to make that the canonical version. also, you can argue that Geoff Johns' mind-control retcon that made Parallax an independent character and saved Hal Jordan from being a mass murderer was possibly the most successful retcon in comics history. Yeah, how many retcons do you know were the catalyst for three crossover events, two of which are among the most acclaimed of the crossover events of the 2000s(don't know how well received Brightest Day was)? hmm... Crisis on Infinite Earths had 2 sequels (3 if you count Zero hour) and numerous spin-offs. it might not count though what with DC junking everything not related to GL or Batman.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Apr 22, 2012 22:09:53 GMT -5
Casino Royale. The best Bond film in decades.
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Post by Goldenbane on Apr 22, 2012 22:36:21 GMT -5
I actually thought the retcon of the entire DC Universe after Infinate Crisis was brilliant. It was done for a reason and not just for quick cheap money grubbing from a bunch of morons (unlike the last reboot of the entire DC Universe)
I loved the Thomas Jane Punisher reboot...too bad he didn't stick around for War Zone.
The 200X Masters of the Universe series reboot wasn't too bad. It gave everyone something more to do and developed their characters a lot more...even though I kinda didn't like them depowering He-man so much.
I can't personally say as I've never seen an episode, but the Thundercats new cartoon seemed to be really cool.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 22, 2012 22:39:08 GMT -5
I'm going to e controversial. The reason he survived is terrible, but I have to admit to being a fan of Red Hood/Jason Todd. Had he survived any other way than evil Superboy had a hissy fit and punched reality and we'd be golden I liked the movie where they made it Ras al'Ghul using a lazarus pit to bring him back. that made a lot more sense and I have no idea why they didn't use the recent continuity reboot to make that the canonical version. also, you can argue that Geoff Johns' mind-control retcon that made Parallax an independent character and saved Hal Jordan from being a mass murderer was possibly the most successful retcon in comics history. Indeed it was, and may have very well saved Hal Jordan's reputation for a lifetime. Also, I would say that revealing that Bucky Barnes didn't die and ended up being a Soviet super-assassin was a retcon that worked masterfully.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 22, 2012 22:39:25 GMT -5
I've seen a few. The Thundercats retcon is pretty neat.
I also liked the He-Man one, but it's too bad that I guess He-Man was still too behind the times.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Apr 22, 2012 22:41:02 GMT -5
Lex Luthors change to evil billionaire from generic mad scientist
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Post by mjolnir on Apr 22, 2012 22:47:23 GMT -5
One of the earliest retcons in comics, Joker not dying during his first appearance in Batman and being brought back as an on-going villain.
That decision seemed to go okay for DC.
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