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Post by chazraps on Apr 23, 2012 15:29:30 GMT -5
Full disclosure, I posted this somewhere else today, but I'd like to have this discussion here as well.
Let me start off by saying I have the utmost respect and reverence for human life and would never wish death upon any actual person. However, being these are characters of fiction, I think I have the tiniest bit of leeway here.
These three characters are all terrible at their jobs and self-centered terrible people. We catch the occasional fleeting glimpse of them actually being adequate-to-good at their jobs, but all they mostly do is interrupt the well being of others for their own absurd unwarranted wants.
Andy is both an awful negligent boss and a gigantic self-conscious sissy.
Robert is a painfully uninteresting bag of gas who contributes nothing to the show, yet we're suggested to think he's cool because everyone says he is. He's the Poochie of "The Office."
Nellie was the most tolerable of these because it was fun for a while to have a legit sociopath with no redeeming characteristics, but after we were given the backstory and Jim's inexplicable sympathy for her, she's just another wretch.
On a serious note, I legit have no idea who the writers want me to root for in this conflict. Not a single one warrants their position in the office, and I can't rationalize why any of their co-workers would want any of them around.
Thus, I propose they all die together in some comic-mishap. Perhaps LaGuerta from "Dexter" could die in it too? Both shows exist in the same universe and she's the worst character on television.
Thoughts?
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Post by clifford on Apr 23, 2012 15:37:15 GMT -5
'Dexter' and 'The Office' exist in the same universe?
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Post by chazraps on Apr 23, 2012 15:39:09 GMT -5
'Dexter' and 'The Office' exist in the same universe? Yes, last season they were using Sabre printers with the same logo and everything. |
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Post by JDviant on Apr 23, 2012 15:39:53 GMT -5
I have finally quit watching the Office, with Nellie being the last nail in its coffin. I hate her completely. But, since I no longer watch I'm not concerned with them dying.
Man, Andy was better in season 3 when he had a bit of a spine and cunning streak.
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 23, 2012 15:44:54 GMT -5
Nellie and Robert definitely need some sort of painful demise. Andy would be fine if he returned to his season 4-6 characterization.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 23, 2012 15:54:58 GMT -5
I actually really liked Andy this last episode. If that's the kind of character they make him from here on out, he's good again in my eyes.
Nellie and Robert, however, are both awful, terrible characters who shouldn't exist beyond the episode they were introduced in. I never thought any character would have me wishing to have Will Ferrell back, but here we are.
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Post by Stu on Apr 23, 2012 15:55:04 GMT -5
Andy is a good guy. Yes, he's an insecure goof with daddy issues, but he had good intentions and cares about everyone. Maybe not the best boss, but not so bad he deserves to be killed.
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Post by Stu on Apr 23, 2012 15:58:07 GMT -5
'Dexter' and 'The Office' exist in the same universe? Yes, last season they were using Sabre printers with the same logo and everything. See St. Elsewhere, Homicide and the rest of the Tommy Westphall Universe. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 16:02:48 GMT -5
Over half the staff needs to be laid off and replaced with new, actually likeable characters.
Either that or have the Scranton documentary finally end. I mean, its been almost a decade of filming! Anyway the documentary is a big hit propelling most of the staff into the limelight and most of the employees become actors or something as a result of thier fame. Toby becomes a successful novelist, Jim gets his own spot on Sports Center, Andy becomes an instructor at Cornell, Dwight retires to the beet farm, etc etc.
The only one left behind is Daryl who gets to head up the Scranton branch of Sabre. The first half of the new season could be him just hiring new people.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Apr 23, 2012 16:06:37 GMT -5
I want everyone on the cast to be fired and replaced by Dennis Miller. Playing every part.
As though nothing changed.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 23, 2012 16:07:41 GMT -5
Andy is a good guy. Yes, he's an insecure goof with daddy issues, but he had good intentions and cares about everyone. Maybe not the best boss, but not so bad he deserves to be killed. He left his job for an unexcused absence days at a time risking putting all of his friends in jeopardy - YOU DON'T DO THAT! He goes cross-country uninvited to surprise a girl he treated like shit on an absolute whim. - Arguable if it was the only thing....but... He then takes her to his girlfriend's friends bachlorette party to break up with her, humiliating her and ruining her friends' special weekend - KING SHIT OF f*** MOUNTAIN SIZED ASSHOLE MOVE Then he feels bad because he lied about being gay, so to make himself feel better he returns to the barchlorette party he ruined to give an honest answer and make everyone feel worse - UNBELIEVABLE f***ING ASSHOLE And now he wants a job he recklessly abandoned back after months of incompetence following an unprofessional cross-country romp? No, f*** him. Worst kind of boss, worst kind of person. There's no moral way to defend him. He should die die die die die die die die die. |
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Post by chazraps on Apr 23, 2012 16:09:48 GMT -5
Over half the staff needs to be laid off and replaced with new, actually likeable characters. Either that or have the Scranton documentary finally end. I mean, its been almost a decade of filming! Anyway the documentary is a big hit propelling most of the staff into the limelight and most of the employees become actors or something as a result of thier fame. Toby becomes a successful novelist, Jim gets his own spot on Sports Center, Andy becomes an instructor at Cornell, Dwight retires to the beet farm, etc etc. The only one left behind is Daryl who gets to head up the Scranton branch of Sabre. The first half of the new season could be him just hiring new people. I actually enjoyed the Florida trip because it served as a reminder how enjoyable some of the dynamics can still be when they don't have to force everyone in it together. The three shining stars of this season have been Gabe (Can't believe in one year I've gone from loathing him to him being my favorite part of the show), Stanley (vacation Stanley was amazing) and the new factory guy (his laying into Ryan was the best part of last week's episode). Just kill these three people and the show will improve. Also, kill LaGuerta. |
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Post by Stu on Apr 23, 2012 16:17:48 GMT -5
Over half the staff needs to be laid off and replaced with new, actually likeable characters. Either that or have the Scranton documentary finally end. I mean, its been almost a decade of filming! Anyway the documentary is a big hit propelling most of the staff into the limelight and most of the employees become actors or something as a result of thier fame. Toby becomes a successful novelist, Jim gets his own spot on Sports Center, Andy becomes an instructor at Cornell, Dwight retires to the beet farm, etc etc. The only one left behind is Daryl who gets to head up the Scranton branch of Sabre. The first half of the new season could be him just hiring new people. I actually enjoyed the Florida trip because it served as a reminder how enjoyable some of the dynamics can still be when they don't have to force everyone in it together. The three shining stars of this season have been Gabe (Can't believe in one year I've gone from loathing him to him being my favorite part of the show), Stanley (vacation Stanley was amazing) and the new factory guy (his laying into Ryan was the best part of last week's episode). Just kill these three people and the show will improve. Also, kill LaGuerta. The show will improve by killing its three shining stars for the season? |
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Post by Rican on Apr 23, 2012 16:18:26 GMT -5
It'd get me to start watching again.
I never really liked Andy.
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 23, 2012 16:22:40 GMT -5
Andy is a good guy. Yes, he's an insecure goof with daddy issues, but he had good intentions and cares about everyone. Maybe not the best boss, but not so bad he deserves to be killed. He left his job for an unexcused absence days at a time risking putting all of his friends in jeopardy - YOU DON'T DO THAT! He goes cross-country uninvited to surprise a girl he treated like s*** on an absolute whim. - Arguable if it was the only thing....but... He then takes her to his girlfriend's friends bachlorette party to break up with her, humiliating her and ruining her friends' special weekend - KING s*** OF f*** MOUNTAIN SIZED ASSHOLE MOVE Then he feels bad because he lied about being gay, so to make himself feel better he returns to the barchlorette party he ruined to give an honest answer and make everyone feel worse - UNBELIEVABLE f***ING ASSHOLE And now he wants a job he recklessly abandoned back after months of incompetence following an unprofessional cross-country romp? No, f*** him. Worst kind of boss, worst kind of person. There's no moral way to defend him. He should die die die die die die die die die. To be fair, are Andy's actions any worse than say Michael's or Dwight's? Michael exhibited very dubious behavior in all his relationships, including crossing boundaries with Carol, being very inappropriate with Jan, cruelly dumping Pam's mom when their age difference became apparent, and acting like an ass to Holly and her fiance. That's just his romantic enganglements mind you, not all the various horrific decisions he made as a boss, including attempting to shift blame on a fire-able offense to Dwight. Mr. Schrute himself has hardly been ideal as a boss or in romantic matters either, killing Angela's cat without her consent, and later sleeping with her while she was engaged to Andy. His run as a boss included bringing a load gun and nearly getting someone killed via accidentally firing it. Was Andy an ass for taking off from work and for not breaking things off with Jessica beforehand? Absolutely. As far as work he hardly put them in danger when we've seen the Scranton office operate without a manager before; and how could he have known Nellie would show up and claim his position? And up until then there's been nothing to demonstrate that he was a worse boss than Michael or Dwight, and in some cases was better. And the extent of his bad treatment of Erin was not telling her about Angela (which she repaid by humiliating him by throwing cake in his face in public) and turning her down a few months ago. Bernard is a flawed character but I'm just not seeing how his sins are completely unforgivable. |
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Post by chazraps on Apr 23, 2012 16:24:51 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed the Florida trip because it served as a reminder how enjoyable some of the dynamics can still be when they don't have to force everyone in it together. The three shining stars of this season have been Gabe (Can't believe in one year I've gone from loathing him to him being my favorite part of the show), Stanley (vacation Stanley was amazing) and the new factory guy (his laying into Ryan was the best part of last week's episode). Just kill these three people and the show will improve. Also, kill LaGuerta. The show will improve by killing its three shining stars for the season? I didn't say a word about killing Gabe, vacation Stanley or the new guy in the factory! |
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Post by chazraps on Apr 23, 2012 16:27:27 GMT -5
He left his job for an unexcused absence days at a time risking putting all of his friends in jeopardy - YOU DON'T DO THAT! He goes cross-country uninvited to surprise a girl he treated like s*** on an absolute whim. - Arguable if it was the only thing....but... He then takes her to his girlfriend's friends bachlorette party to break up with her, humiliating her and ruining her friends' special weekend - KING s*** OF f*** MOUNTAIN SIZED ASSHOLE MOVE Then he feels bad because he lied about being gay, so to make himself feel better he returns to the barchlorette party he ruined to give an honest answer and make everyone feel worse - UNBELIEVABLE f***ING ASSHOLE And now he wants a job he recklessly abandoned back after months of incompetence following an unprofessional cross-country romp? No, f*** him. Worst kind of boss, worst kind of person. There's no moral way to defend him. He should die die die die die die die die die. To be fair, are Andy's actions any worse than say Michael's or Dwight's? Michael exhibited very dubious behavior in all his relationships, including crossing boundaries with Carol, being very inappropriate with Jan, cruelly dumping Pam's mom when their age difference became apparent, and acting like an ass to Holly and her fiance. That's just his romantic enganglements mind you, not all the various horrific decisions he made as a boss, including attempting to shift blame on a fire-able offense to Dwight. Mr. Schrute himself has hardly been ideal as a boss or in romantic matters either, killing Angela's cat without her consent, and later sleeping with her while she was engaged to Andy. His run as a boss included bringing a load gun and nearly getting someone killed via accidentally firing it. Was Andy an ass for taking off from work and for not breaking things off with Jessica beforehand? Absolutely. As far as work he hardly put them in danger when we've seen the Scranton office operate without a manager before; and how could he have known Nellie would show up and claim his position? And up until then there's been nothing to demonstrate that he was a worse boss than Michael or Dwight, and in some cases was better. And the extent of his bad treatment of Erin was not telling her about Angela (which she repaid by humiliating him by throwing cake in his face in public) and turning her down a few months ago. Bernard is a flawed character but I'm just not seeing how his sins are completely unforgivable. The difference between Bernard and Michael/Dwight is part of what made watching Michael and Dwight so fun was that you weren't necessarily supposed to roots for them. Michael and Dwight, as Carell and Wilson played them, didn't care if you found them likable or not. The show frames Andy as if he's supposed to be a good guy. Given his, as well as California and Nellie's awfulness, how are we supposed to be sympathetic to any party involved? |
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 23, 2012 16:33:41 GMT -5
I just don't think Andy is as bad as described. Andy leaving work and going after Erin without breaking things off with Jessica is as I said a dick move, but I don't believe it moves him into being a completely terrible person. The first half of the season was a demonstration that he could be competent as manager and that a decent number of the staff did like him, and I don't think "Get the Girl" and "Welcome Party" completely invalidated that.
By contrast Robert doesn't work as a character to me because the writers can't decide if he's a slightly perverse wishy washy overseer, or a brilliant and decisive CEO who plays by his own rules. Nellie fails to invoke either audience interest or sympathy because she has no character other than saying weird things and expecting to get her way. There is no depth to her at all.
Thus I can see why those two should be gone because either their concept and/or their execution clearly don't work. Whether or not the characters in the storyline are good at their jobs means less to me than if they gel in the series and with other characters, and Nellie as well as Robert clearly don't.
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Post by Shy Guy on Apr 23, 2012 16:43:23 GMT -5
wow. kind of glad i stopped watching this after jim and pam had their first baby.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 23, 2012 17:15:36 GMT -5
They should just have a two-hour "Wedding of Michael Scott" finale event after this season and call it a series.
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