Phosphor Glow
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on May 9, 2012 1:01:15 GMT -5
i don't think ill ever refer to a him as a her. Cant wrap my brain around that mentality of being so pc that you should call a man a women. From what i understand from the article, they are referring to him as a her and he hasn't even started any treatment yet, just made a decision too, I'm no doctor or geneticist but i don't believe a hormone replacement coupled with a surgery effectively alters ones gender. I do support people having the opportunity to live as they like as long as it isn't a threat to society and this wave of transgenderism does not pose a threat to anyone, but im not going to call a bannana a peach. If it has no bearing on you whatsoever, why would you object to calling someone what they would prefer to be called? Especially if they're willing to spend good money for it? Thanks for beating me to it, Chaz.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 1:06:55 GMT -5
This gives me an opportunity to improve my terminology. Transgender is where you're born as Gender A, but associate more/feel more comfortable as Gender B Transsexual is when you have the surgery, to make yourself Gender B from Gender A. Is that correct? As one of the tg people on FAN, yes. That is my definitions of the two terms, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 1:52:19 GMT -5
Just like the OP I'm a huge a fan of Against Me and good for Tom erm I mean Laura now. That song The Ocean makes sense. Would taking hormones and undergoing electrolysis treatments effect her voice? Tom Gabel has such an amazing voice I would have to admit I would be really sad if this means the voice is going to be radically different. Meh oh well more reason to post this.
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Dub H
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Post by Dub H on May 9, 2012 2:36:30 GMT -5
Yeh i think the main issue is how that will affect his voice and his position in the band.And how fans will react to the new voice.
Hopefully,her new voice will also be loved by the fans
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on May 9, 2012 3:24:29 GMT -5
I love Against Me!, and so I'm happy for Tom/Laura to have had the balls to tell people about this. Yeah, that was a poor choice of words.
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Post by Orange on May 9, 2012 3:57:31 GMT -5
FWIW, I'm reading that the hormone treatments she'll be taking doesn't affect vocal chords. Whether or not that's true I don't know, I guess time will tell.
I just went and listened to "Thrash Unreal" and holy shit, what an awesome voice!
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 9, 2012 6:29:02 GMT -5
i don't think ill ever refer to a him as a her. Cant wrap my brain around that mentality of being so pc that you should call a man a women. From what i understand from the article, they are referring to him as a her and he hasn't even started any treatment yet, just made a decision too, I'm no doctor or geneticist but i don't believe a hormone replacement coupled with a surgery effectively alters ones gender. I do support people having the opportunity to live as they like as long as it isn't a threat to society and this wave of transgenderism does not pose a threat to anyone, but im not going to call a bannana a peach. Difference between gender and sex. The current way of thinking separates the two. Regardless of the doodads down there, she was always female gender, male sex.
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drumnfool
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Post by drumnfool on May 9, 2012 6:30:26 GMT -5
i don't think ill ever refer to a him as a her. Cant wrap my brain around that mentality of being so pc that you should call a man a women. From what i understand from the article, they are referring to him as a her and he hasn't even started any treatment yet, just made a decision too, I'm no doctor or geneticist but i don't believe a hormone replacement coupled with a surgery effectively alters ones gender. I do support people having the opportunity to live as they like as long as it isn't a threat to society and this wave of transgenderism does not pose a threat to anyone, but im not going to call a bannana a peach. If it has no bearing on you whatsoever, why would you object to calling someone what they would prefer to be called? Especially if they're willing to spend good money for it? I dont think i would necessarily object to calling a man a woman, exactly. I call plenty of people, friends included, plenty of names they are not. I suppose it would be a proximity clause. If i knew them and respected them, Id call them whatever they like. I think id consider it more like a nickname/cordial pleasantry though, because they are in fact not genetically female. I had to think about your statement, " no bearing on me, whatsoever", and whether it had any bearing. I tried to look in to the truth of my stance on the issue and if i was being shallow or not. I finally asked myself, does pronouncing a genetic male with a superficial female label effect my manner in which I carry or conducts myself. yes and no. Yes, because i believe i would have to make a conscience effort, knowing the truth of a person, to call them something they are not. It would be like me going out of my way, even if the effort might be minimal in practice. No, because at the end of the day Im not going to lose sleep over what someone prefers to be called and Im not going to seethe and develop a meaningless resentment which does neither party any good.
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drumnfool
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Post by drumnfool on May 9, 2012 6:42:13 GMT -5
i don't think ill ever refer to a him as a her. Cant wrap my brain around that mentality of being so pc that you should call a man a women. From what i understand from the article, they are referring to him as a her and he hasn't even started any treatment yet, just made a decision too, I'm no doctor or geneticist but i don't believe a hormone replacement coupled with a surgery effectively alters ones gender. I do support people having the opportunity to live as they like as long as it isn't a threat to society and this wave of transgenderism does not pose a threat to anyone, but im not going to call a bannana a peach. Difference between gender and sex. The current way of thinking separates the two. Regardless of the doodads down there, she was always female gender, male sex. Ill have to look in to that. Im not disagreeing or agreeing with your statement, but Im going to go educate myself on the claimed new way of thinking before i just start spouting of emotionally about my personal undereducated opinions. i believe some do that very thing far too often, and id like to remain civil. I like to be challenged and learn and am not opposed to surrendering my stance on anything as long as there is significant evidence to the contrary. i haven't been to bed yet and it almost 7am here. prob catch a few hours and return tonight after work unless i can get some reading in before i leave.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on May 9, 2012 19:17:06 GMT -5
"I remember my little boy coming up to me one day saying 'Daddy, you were a transsexual?' And I said 'No, I was a transvestite. If daddy was a transsexual, then you wouldn't be here!'"-Dee Snider. Also, I'm very, very far from the first person to post this online, but the lyrics from "The Ocean" are especially poignant now. These were the first thing I thought of when I read the story: "And if I could have chosen, I would have been born a woman My mother once told me she would have named me Laura I'd grow up to be strong and beautiful like her One day, I'd find an honest man to make my husband We would have two children, build our home on the Gulf of Mexico Our family would spend hot summer days at the beach together The sun would kiss our skin as we played in the sand and water And we would know we loved each other without having to say it" The thing I love about this song is that in this song is that most songs written from a woman's perspective by a man (which Tom/Laura was still presenting him/herself when New Wave came out) still kind of see women one dimensionally. Whereas this song seems to understand the kind of hopes and dreams the lady folk have. Language Warning
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on May 9, 2012 22:32:29 GMT -5
EDIT: To the above post, it isn't about sexual attraction necessarily. Some people just feel more in tune and identify with the gender they weren't born as. Plenty of transgenders that are all sorts of sexual orientations. One of the people I know that's m-to-f transgender is also bisexual, for example. Co-signed. One of my friends is transsexual and has already transitioned, but she's engaged to a woman (who I'm fairly certain is also M-to-F transsexual, even though neither of them confirmed it with me... wrap your head around that). If you love the person, their gender and/or sex might not matter.
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Post by J.O.B. Squad on May 9, 2012 22:53:19 GMT -5
I'm a Against Me! fan and even met Tom once(He was a super nice guy)So I support him in this decision and hope more people do as well.
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drumnfool
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Post by drumnfool on May 10, 2012 5:34:03 GMT -5
Difference between gender and sex. The current way of thinking separates the two. Regardless of the doodads down there, she was always female gender, male sex. Ill have to look in to that. Im not disagreeing or agreeing with your statement, but Im going to go educate myself on the claimed new way of thinking before i just start spouting of emotionally about my personal undereducated opinions. i believe some do that very thing far too often, and id like to remain civil. I like to be challenged and learn and am not opposed to surrendering my stance on anything as long as there is significant evidence to the contrary. i haven't been to bed yet and it almost 7am here. prob catch a few hours and return tonight after work unless i can get some reading in before i leave. Alrighty, I read up on google, wiki, faq/question/answer sites and quite a few blogs about etiquette. While I don't understand it all, it is not important how i feel or understand is what Im gathering. I'm to respect them as people, which i do, because they are. That's not to much to ask. There are many rules regarding conversation and addressing a transgender person. I say rules because from what Ive read, these are not just guidelines. It all seems like plenty to ask of someone all in the hope of guarding ones feelings. Lots of protecting ones feeling in those articles. Though, Im wondering why my feelings are suddenly not as important as someone going through a grave emotionally distressful odyssey, A lot of the articles i read seemed to be filled with irrational entitled justification and attitude. Some did not and seemed to be written just for me as a person wanting to know more and did not come off as biased. Just recently the EEOC ruled that transgender discrimination was prohibited and being transgendered was a protected civil liberty in the workplace. So that's something. A very positive something. The etiquette is to refer to the gender the person in question is presenting. I can do that. I hope i get it right. Some of the pictures Ive seen are debatable. Am I ignorant? Yes, I am. But im willing to work on that. Now, If I can only get one of these "dudes" to go to dinner or coffee with me. Some of them are really adorable. And, I believe Im now equipped with all the right vocabulary to not get punched in the face. ;D
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