Is Raw Active Rigged?

[sonofblaine]

Something I've always wondered about these things where the fans can decide the outcome. Otherwise, they'd need to write and prepare scripts for all outcomes.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Well, in this particular case, I think we would've ended up with the Triple Threat Match regardless of whether the fans chose Jericho, Miz, or Ziggler for Piper's Pit.

[Mayonnaise]

By most accounts no. They are set up to heavily favor one guy or outcome but they have a plan for everything or everything is basically the same options told 3 different ways.

Last week they were expecting Kane to win the poll to face Punk and then do Rey/Miz later in the night to set up their Summerslam match but Rey won so they pushed off Rey/Miz to Smackdown.

Then there was the Sheamus/Daniel Bryan match where the stips were all the same so they really didn't have to change much

Tonight with Piper would have gone down the same way no matter who won as well, with Piper drunkenly stumbling over everything and the other two interupting to set up the Triple Threat.

Cannot remember the other.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Aug 14, 2012 3:09:01 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

By most accounts no. They are set up to heavily favor one guy or outcome but they have a plan for everything or everything is basically the same options told 3 different ways.

Last week they were expecting Kane to win the poll to face Punk and then do Rey/Miz later in the night to set up their Summerslam match but Rey won so they pushed off Rey/Miz to Smackdown.

Then there was the Sheamus/Daniel Bryan match where the stips were all the same so they really didn't have to change much

Tonight with Piper would have gone down the same way no matter who won as well, with Piper drunkenly stumbling over everything and the other two interupting to set up the Triple Threat.

Cannot remember the other.

"Pick the title to be defended at RAW 1000", won by Christian and the IC Championship... which he then subsequently lost.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Aug 14, 2012 3:11:06 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Aug 14, 2012 3:09:01 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

By most accounts no. They are set up to heavily favor one guy or outcome but they have a plan for everything or everything is basically the same options told 3 different ways.

Last week they were expecting Kane to win the poll to face Punk and then do Rey/Miz later in the night to set up their Summerslam match but Rey won so they pushed off Rey/Miz to Smackdown.

Then there was the Sheamus/Daniel Bryan match where the stips were all the same so they really didn't have to change much

Tonight with Piper would have gone down the same way no matter who won as well, with Piper drunkenly stumbling over everything and the other two interupting to set up the Triple Threat.

Cannot remember the other.

"Pick the title to be defended at RAW 1000", won by Christian and the IC Championship... which he then subsequently lost.

I think if they voted for the United States Title, then Miz would be U.S. Champion right now instead of IC Champion.

[CH Punk]

Aug 14, 2012 3:13:42 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Aug 14, 2012 3:11:06 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

"Pick the title to be defended at RAW 1000", won by Christian and the IC Championship... which he then subsequently lost.

I think if they voted for the United States Title, then Miz would be U.S. Champion right now instead of IC Champion.

I think if they voted for the Divas Title, then Miz would be Divas Champion right now instead of IC Champion.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}Ok, fine, it would be Kelly.

[Rave]

I don't think it's rigged so much as it ends up not mattering, especially in the case of the Sheamus/Bryan stip (they all amounted to the same) and the Piper's Pit guest (they all showed up). If they're not actually going to give us much of a choice in the matter, why waste everyone's time doing it in the first place?

[suben]

Yeah I'm assuming the Rawactive stuff like their other polls isn't rigged, just heavily influenced towards one choice so you'll get something like "Who do you want to see face (insert heel): A turd, this Rubik's Cube or REY MYSTERIO!"

[TCM]

Aug 14, 2012 3:15:12 GMT -5 CH Punk said:

Aug 14, 2012 3:13:42 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

I think if they voted for the United States Title, then Miz would be U.S. Champion right now instead of IC Champion.

I think if they voted for the Divas Title, then Miz would be Divas Champion right now instead of IC Champion.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}Ok, fine, it would be Kelly.

Sans spoiler, I've said that since Raw 1000.

Raw Active is no more rigged than Cyber Sunday/Taboo Tuesday. With the exception of voting failures on their end ("People's Choice" Mason Ryan anyone?) they give three (usually) appealing choices, but one is clearly the most appealing of the three.

[Nic Nemeth]

Championship Match: Considering how much devalued the division, obviously the Diva's Title was never going to be chosen so it was really down to the midcard titles and The Miz was going to win one of them either way, we're just lucky it was the IC Title since Christian vs Miz was the better match-up

Stipulation: They were basically the same match, hell I'm sure if it was Falls Count Anywhere they were still going to use the ramp spot and steel steps ending

Opponent: It didn't matter who the opponent was cause Punk was going over them regardless, also these are 3 men that Punk faced dozens of time before so it wouldn't be hard for them to whip up a good match

Guest: I'm sure they heavily influenced Jericho since even the WWE staff voted for him, but assuming it was Ziggler or Miz who won they would have Jericho come out anyways after an insult and then the other heel comes out to trash Jericho too setting up the Triple Threat

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Aug 14, 2012 3:24:44 GMT -5 Rave said:

I don't think it's rigged so much as it ends up not mattering, especially in the case of the Sheamus/Bryan stip (they all amounted to the same) and the Piper's Pit guest (they all showed up). If they're not actually going to give us much of a choice in the matter, why waste everyone's time doing it in the first place?

Seeing as they were bragging about last week's RAWActive being the "most socially active in WWE history", simply because they're under the notion that if something's trending on Twitter, they'll get more viewers.

In a short span of time--sometimes simply the time of a commercial break--they can get people mass-tweeting their votes. That generally gets at least one of the votes, depending on how many people tweet, trending, which gets them attention because the WWE assumes everyone will go and find out what "#Y2JPit" means. How effective it is in practice, I don't know, but the clear ulterior motive here has nothing to do with audience interaction and everything to do with being 'socially active'.

[Dang!]

The choices usually very much lead to pretty much the same in the end. I remember a match where the choices were no holds barred, street fight and falls count anywhere which pretty much leads to the same f***ing match. It's an easy way for WWE to make money by luring VERY naive people into believing that they are making a difference. Rigged or not it's useless, annoying and insulting to the viewer's intelligence.

I think if they voted for the United States Title, then Miz would be U.S. Champion right now instead of IC Champion.

If that's really the case it shows how useless these belts are. Who is the US Champion anyway? Santino? Shame to see once prestigeous titles like that go to shit. Back in the day those titles were held by Bret Hart, Mr.Perfect, Steve Austin, Lex Luger, Shawn Michaels and other to-be legends and now it's just a useless prop.

[xCompackx]

Aug 14, 2012 4:57:35 GMT -5 Dang! said:

The choices usually very much lead to pretty much the same in the end. I remember a match where the choices were no holds barred, street fight and falls count anywhere which pretty much leads to the same f***ing match. It's an easy way for WWE to make money by luring VERY naive people into believing that they are making a difference. Rigged or not it's useless, annoying and insulting to the viewer's intelligence.

I think if they voted for the United States Title, then Miz would be U.S. Champion right now instead of IC Champion.

If that's really the case it shows how useless these belts are. Who is the US Champion anyway? Santino? Shame to see once prestigeous titles like that go to s***. Back in the day those titles were held by Bret Hart, Mr.Perfect, Steve Austin, Lex Luger, Shawn Michaels and other to-be legends and now it's just a useless prop.

It's really sad because it's not like giving legitimate options that are different would hurt anything. I'll never understand why WWE is so obsessed with controlling the outcomes to polls like these when if they were smart about it, they'd have a plan for any option that was chosen.

[zeez]

Who do you want to see on Piper's Pit: a face, a heel, or another heel? Hmmm, I wonder who the fans are going to vote for?

[Crappler El 0 M]

I doubt it. So far the choices haven't mattered much (three very similar-style matches for Sheamus/Bryan) or the choice of superstars makes it predictable (Rey Mysterio last week and Chris Jericho this week).

They can stack the deck to make it predictable or they can give three options that aren't that different.

[xCompackx]

To be completely fair, the Mysterio/Kane/Miz poll was pretty justifiable since all three were legit choices. But yeah, I'm hoping that over time they'll figure it out.

[Deleted]

It's rigged in the sense that they tend to give an option they're 90% sure is going to win.

Not rigged in the sense that if it turns out not to be the case they have plans for it.

The segment yesterday would have played out in roughly the same way regardless of who won the poll. The only difference would have been the order of events I think. If Ziggler had won he would have started out in Piper's pit first and delivered the same lines he said to Jericho's face, In proceeding as they did).

If Miz had won they could have done something similar. Same planned/scripted lines, just modified slightly/done in a different order.

[Crappler El 0 M]

Aug 14, 2012 11:56:54 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

To be completely fair, the Mysterio/Kane/Miz poll was pretty justifiable since all three were legit choices. But yeah, I'm hoping that over time they'll figure it out.

I was actually surprised by the results. I thought Rey would win in a landslide, but Kane got more votes than I thought he would. I thought it was obvious that Rey would win, but I heard Bryan Alvarez claim that WWE meant for Kane to win, though he did not explain how he knew this.

[PKO]

Everyone has already answered. Not rigged, but clearly biased (often to A/the first option). I hope they get more and more obviously biased as time goes on.

"Who will face CM Punk in the Main Event?
A. John Cena
B. Sakamoto
C. Tyler Reks"

"What match- type should they have?
A. Hell in a Cell
B. Push up contest
C. Arm Wrestling"

"What should be on the line?
A. The WWE Title
B. Loser cleans the winners car
C. 50 dollars"

[Cronant]

I don't think they'll ever top Taboo Tuesday 2005 as far as blatantly telling the fans to vote a certain way.