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Post by Kash Flagg on Aug 16, 2012 16:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by Todd's crazy , Man. on Aug 16, 2012 16:17:37 GMT -5
I was okay with that until the whole "Tell a story" thing came up.
I don't watch wrestling for stories. If I want a story , I'll read Kafka or Asimov. I watch wrestling to see people (inauthentically) get the stuffing kicked of them.
Stories are for Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman , Not guys who are six four with two hundred pounds of muscle.
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Post by suben on Aug 16, 2012 16:25:03 GMT -5
I was okay with that until the whole "Tell a story" thing came up. I don't watch wrestling for stories. If I want a story , I'll read Kafka or Asimov. I watch wrestling to see people (inauthentically) get the stuffing kicked of them. Stories are for Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman , Not guys who are six four with two hundred pounds of muscle. Do you not get the basics of in-match storytelling? Do you think moves happen in a vacuum and that there's absolutely no storytelling going on in a match? "Telling a story" isn't just cutting a promo, every match tells a story via the in-ring action and it's what makes a great match truly great. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 16:29:09 GMT -5
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Post by salsashark on Aug 16, 2012 16:55:55 GMT -5
I was okay with that until the whole "Tell a story" thing came up. I don't watch wrestling for stories. If I want a story , I'll read Kafka or Asimov. I watch wrestling to see people (inauthentically) get the stuffing kicked of them. Stories are for Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman , Not guys who are six four with two hundred pounds of muscle. What do you think goes on in great matches? Random moves? Storytelling in wrestling is as basic as a heel versus a face. You don't think these have any bearing on a match's quality? |
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Post by Some Guy on Aug 16, 2012 17:00:43 GMT -5
I was okay with that until the whole "Tell a story" thing came up. I don't watch wrestling for stories. If I want a story , I'll read Kafka or Asimov. I watch wrestling to see people (inauthentically) get the stuffing kicked of them. Stories are for Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman , Not guys who are six four with two hundred pounds of muscle.  |
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 16, 2012 17:12:34 GMT -5
I was okay with that until the whole "Tell a story" thing came up. I don't watch wrestling for stories. If I want a story , I'll read Kafka or Asimov. I watch wrestling to see people (inauthentically) get the stuffing kicked of them. Stories are for Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman , Not guys who are six four with two hundred pounds of muscle.  |
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Post by molson5 on Aug 16, 2012 17:59:56 GMT -5
I was okay with that until the whole "Tell a story" thing came up. I don't watch wrestling for stories. If I want a story , I'll read Kafka or Asimov. I watch wrestling to see people (inauthentically) get the stuffing kicked of them. Stories are for Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman , Not guys who are six four with two hundred pounds of muscle. Haha, I wouldn't go that far personally but I see where you're coming from. The concept of "telling a story" in a match is one I never really understood. I admit it. I've been a fan since 1985 and I still don't really get it. 99% of wrestling matches are two guys trading moves and then doing the planned finish when the ref tells them to "go home". That's not really a story. Sometimes a guy works another guy's leg during the match, and than that plays into the finish. That's not really a story either, it's just a two-note match structure. I can't actually think of a match that had a real, compelling, layered, story, with a beginning and middle and end, at least the way I define "story". I'm sure that's possible to do, but it's such a rare thing. |
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Post by comahan on Aug 16, 2012 18:07:28 GMT -5
I was okay with that until the whole "Tell a story" thing came up. I don't watch wrestling for stories. If I want a story , I'll read Kafka or Asimov. I watch wrestling to see people (inauthentically) get the stuffing kicked of them. Stories are for Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman , Not guys who are six four with two hundred pounds of muscle. Haha, I wouldn't go that far personally but I see where you're coming from. The concept of "telling a story" in a match is one I never really understood. I admit it. I've been a fan since 1985 and I still don't really get it. 99% of wrestling matches are two guys trading moves and then doing the planned finish when the ref tells them to "go home". That's not really a story. Sometimes a guy works another guy's leg during the match, and than that plays into the finish. That's not really a story either, it's just a two-note match structure. I can't actually think of a match that had a real, compelling, layered, story, with a beginning and middle and end, at least the way I define "story". I'm sure that's possible to do, but it's such a rare thing. The most basic of stories is the babyface shining to start to get the crowd involved(beginning), then the heel cheating to take control and gaining heat for himself and sympathy for the babyface(middle), until the babyface makes the comeback and you go into the finish(end). Its not complex or anything like that, but its small ways of getting the crowd more into a match beyond just lots of moves. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Aug 16, 2012 19:41:48 GMT -5
Well, that was interesting
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Post by jobber2thestars on Aug 16, 2012 21:50:34 GMT -5
Most matches consist of a beginning where you establish who is the heel and the face. A little back and forth chaining, followed by the shine, with the face getting his stuff in. After this comes the cut-off, where the heel does something sneaky to take control of the match. Next comes the heat, where the heel works his stuff on the face, and antagonizes the crowd. During the heat, the face will be given some hope spots, where he fights back a little, only to get put back down by the heel. Eventually this will lead to a cut-off, where the face takes back control, and hits his finish to end the match.
This isn't how all matches go, but it's the basic set-up.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 16, 2012 23:55:31 GMT -5
I was okay with that until the whole "Tell a story" thing came up. I don't watch wrestling for stories. If I want a story , I'll read Kafka or Asimov. I watch wrestling to see people (inauthentically) get the stuffing kicked of them. Stories are for Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman , Not guys who are six four with two hundred pounds of muscle. All wrestling has a story to it. Even at the most basic level. |
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Aug 17, 2012 0:28:15 GMT -5
I was okay with that until the whole "Tell a story" thing came up. I don't watch wrestling for stories. If I want a story , I'll read Kafka or Asimov. I watch wrestling to see people (inauthentically) get the stuffing kicked of them. Stories are for Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman , Not guys who are six four with two hundred pounds of muscle. You must love Davey Richards. |
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Aug 17, 2012 0:44:23 GMT -5
Im shocked that he did not mention the wrestling school that is in his hometown, run by former WWE/WCW wrestlers as a credible one.
But I respect the hell out of Prichard. He and his brother cut thier teeth in Houston Wrestling doing odd jobs and climbed theier way up to the top.
Those lowlifes needed to be knocked down.
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