Phoenix Wright Mafia: The Aftermath

[MrBRulzOK]

With the game finished I guess it's time for the Aftermath Thread.

First up here are all of the Role PMs.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}You're Phoenix Wright! Spiky haired lawyer who is known for being able to come back and turn any case around in your favor. You'll do anything to prove your clients' innocence... provided they are actually innocent, of course. You also tend to be a smartass at times, but usually only to yourself. In this game you are a mere defense attorney and thus you possess no true powers. After all it wouldn't be a Phoenix Wright game if you didn't start out with a disadvantage! But you do get a vote just like everybody else. Use it wisely or you may end up sending an innocent man to the gallows.

Carrot

You're Miles Edgeworth! Snappily dressed prosecutor, Steel Samurai fanboy, and also something of an investigator on the side. Though you were once on the side of evil like your mentor, always trying desperately to get a guilty verdict whether or not the defendant deserved it, you've since turned over a new leaf. You've also helped take down the leader of a smuggling ring that had been around for a long time most recently. You have the power of the Investigative Prosecutor. Once per night you can choose someone you feel is guilty and obtain a warrant from the Judge (That's me) in order to press them for information to see whether they are a criminal or not. You also get a vote like everyone else. Be wise with your choice.

Velocipede

You're Wendy Oldbag! You're an annoying, doddering old woman whose got a mouth that won't quit. Once you get going there's nobody in the world who can get you to shut that yap of yours. You also a have a tendency to ramble on and on for hours on end. You also tend to be sour to everyone you meet, bar Miles Edgeworth who you have a thing for. You have the power of a Distraction! Once per night you have the ability to distract one person by rambling on endlessly and talking their ear off. If they happen to be Mafia and have a special ability you prevent them from using it for that night. You get a vote too. Though you may be tempted to use it on someone who annoys you try and use it for the town's benefit instead.

Taffy

You're Detective Gumshoe, pal! You're inept, incompetent, and ill-suited for your occupation, but somehow you still manage to come through when the chips are down... sometimes. You also like to say pal alot, pal! Unfortunately in this game you are a mere detective, but still with an appalling salary. You get a vote just like everyone else though so it's not all bad. Just be careful how you use it.

Fargenfloofen

You're Winston Payne! A balding, meek, and bespectacled prosecutor with an unusually high-pitched voice! Though you were once a great prosecutor, even earning the moniker as the "Rookie Killer" early on, nowadays you've lost most of your luster along with your hair and you just haven't been the same since. But despite that you are at least decent at your job. You are a mere prosecutor and thus you can only vote along with everyone else.

Rogaine

You're Godot, masked coffee enthusiast and prosecutor! Not much is known about your past. You once battled Phoenix Wright in court though it ended badly for you. Somehow you've managed to survive and you now occupy the town along with everyone else. Unfortunately that devastating loss you suffered has had a nasty effect on your mental state. Thus you are a Skitzo. Every night you can target somebody. Depending on your luck you'll end up either protecting them, inspecting them, killing them, or doing nothing at all! You may also choose not to do anything if you don't want to take the risk. I guess by taking your crazy spills or drinking decaf. You also have a vote. Try not to be spiteful and use it for the greater good.

Tickle

You're Damon Gant! You're a boisterous, disgraced former Chief of Police who loves to ask people to go swimming with him! You also have a menacing stare that can make even the hardiest of men wince when you gaze upon them. In spite of all this you are just a guy: an intimidating guy, but just a guy all the same. You have the power to win any staring contest you participate in. Also your clapping is reminescent of thunder! Scary! Oh and you are so intimidating that your mere presence can protect the person you choose. Thus you have the power of protection which you may use once per night. Choose wisely though.

Tally ho

You're Regina Berry! (Tiger not included) You're a totally sweet, innocent, and naive woman. You can also make men do anything for you to the point that they can't even say no! You also have the unmatched ability to act completely clueless. This along with your natural affinity with wild animals and ability to twirl batons makes you... not very useful in this game. You are merely a pretty circus performer. And your powers to sway most male minds won't work here, we'll just assume anyone who votes for you never says it to your pretty face.

Elephant

Zvarri! You're the great and magnificent Ace Detective, Luke Atmey! You are a master of investigation and a splendid detective, at least in your own mind. But who cares what those others think? They are simply jealous of your magnificent intellectual acumen. Who needs them?! Well... you kind of do in this case if you want to stay alive. You are a mere detective in this world. Your only ability is to proclaim to the world how much greater you are then everyone else and polish your fine monocle. You get a vote just like everyone else. But honestly they should give you multiple votes! After all you are the great and magnificent Luke Atmey!

Nose

You're Franziska Von Karma! You are a blue-haired young woman with a tendency to whip everything and everyone in sight. You also are incredibly proud of yourself and can't stand appearing weak in front of anyone. You are a corrupt prosecutor! Once per night you are allowed to press someone for information to find out what exactly their role is. Probably a method that involves plentys of cracks from your whip. You sadist! And you can help influence the vote, of course.

Here is where you can plan all of you misdeeds with your fellow criminals. Just try and keep the place clean.

Sandwich


You're Maya Faye! An airheaded and silly student in the Kurain Channeling technique. Though since it only works on dead people there's not much you can do with it here. And for some reason you are alligned with the Mafia so it wouldn't do much good anyway. But you are also a roleblocker! Thanks to your ability to overbearing and annoying you have the ability to distract someone once per night. If they happen to possess some sort of ability then they won't be using it on that particular night!

Here is where you can plot your evil plans and decide whose gonna get offed next. Oh, and there's all the pie you can eat.

Almond

You're Larry Butz! Tired of being harassed, mocked, and constantly insulted by anyone and everyone you know, you've started this organization in an attempt to get yourself some credibility by making them regret that they ever messed with you! and also to get some hot chicks, because you ARE at the end of the day still Larry Butz. How exactly that's going to work you haven't figured out. You are also the Godfather! You are in charge of sending the name of who you and your people want offed every night to me. And better yet even if you get investigated nobody will ever be able to tell that you are the one pulling the strings. After all you ARE Larry Butz. Who would believe that? Really they have known: When something smells, it's usually the Butz.

Here is where you can be the kingpin and discuss things with your loyal subjects. But they still won't date you. I mean... you're still Larry Butz.

Balloon

And here's a list of the all the actions from each phase for those interested.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}Day 1

No Lynch

Night 1

Damon Gant (Daime) Protection: Winston Payne (The Big Bad Brad)
Wendy Oldbag (Double H) Roleblock: Franziska von Karma (Gus Richlen)
Miles Edgeworth (Notorious) Investigation: Luke Atmey (Street Spartan)
Franziska von Karma (Gus Richlen): Investigates Atmey
Godot (Vadertime) Skitzo: Damon Gant (Daime) (Nothing)
Maya Faye (Cageking) Roleblock: Street Spartan

Mafia Target: Wendy Oldbag (Double H)

Day 2

Town lynches Franziska Von Karma (Gus Richlen)

Night 2

Damon Gant (Daime) Protection: Miles Edgeworth (Notorious)
Miles Edgeworth (Notorious) Investigation: Larry Butz (Hawkeye)
Godot (Vadertime): Miles Edgeworth (Nothing)
Maya Faye (Cageking) Roleblock: Dick Gumshoe (Lodirulz)

Mafia Target: Winston Payne (Big Bad Brad)

Day 3

No Lynch

Night 3

Damon Gant (Daime) Protection: Luke Atmey (Street Spartan)
Miles Edgeworth (Notorious) Investigation: Damon Gant (Daime)
Godot (Vadertime) Skitzo: Maya Faye (Cageking) Kill

Mafia Target: Godot (Vadertime)

Day 4

Regina Berry (Johnathan Michaels) is Modkilled
Town lynches Larry Butz (Hawkeye)

And finally for those who want to see what went on behind the scenes the Mafia Quicktopic.

Thanks again to everybody who played. So what did everybody think of my first game?

[Triple H buried SnS]

Can this thread be linked in the actual game thread? Or can the above information be added to the game thread?

Makes going back and looking at these game difficult if we have to go to two different threads with nothing connecting them.

[Dub H]

TOWN WON,WOORAY!

[TOO SWEET]

I think the biggest move of the game has to go to Vadertime. I was convinced that Cageking was our doctor and would've been willing to lynch anyone who said otherwise, under the belief they were mafia.

So, Vadertime, I have to ask:

1) Were you trying to kill Maya (Cageking)? If so, what made you think to do that?

2) Or did we just get ridiculously lucky?

EDIT: And reading over the quicktopic, it seems like Hawkeye was kind of screwed. He kept asking for opinions/ideas, and wouldn't get any answers.

[Big Bad Brad]

I might of messed up Godot's ability

I randomed all four abilities roleblock, protection, investigation and Kill on random.org and Kill was the one that came up.

Well reading through the other night phases where Godot used his skitzo ability I noticed there were a few nothing options.

So I'm guessing Mr. B must of added the word nothing to the list of abilities and when random the word nothing always came up I didn't know there was a chance for the skitzos ability to fail unless roleblocked.

[TOO SWEET]

Also, I already did it once during day phase two, but Brad, I do want to apologize again for attacking you so harshly. I had a lead that felt very solid at the time, and I wouldn't stop until I broke down everything you said so that it fit my theory you were mafia.

Even by day phase two, I realized that I was being dumb.

So, sorry if there were any hurt feelings, because like I said:

No matter what I say in-game, outside of it I really don't want anyone to be angry at/hate me. In game, I play a very aggressive, cut throat, meticulous style (just like with survivor), but hopefully I've proven outside of it that I really don't carry a grudge or actually get angry with anyone outside of those threads.

So, once again, sorry Brad.

[Big Bad Brad]

Sept 5, 2012 17:18:38 GMT -5 TOO SWEET said:

Also, I already did it once during day phase two, but Brad, I do want to apologize again for attacking you so harshly. I had a lead that felt very solid at the time, and I wouldn't stop until I broke down everything you said so that it fit my theory you were mafia.

Even by day phase two, I realized that I was being dumb.

So, sorry if there were any hurt feelings, because like I said:

No matter what I say in-game, outside of it I really don't want anyone to be angry at/hate me. In game, I play a very aggressive, cut throat, meticulous style (just like with survivor), but hopefully I've proven outside of it that I really don't carry a grudge or actually get angry with anyone outside of those threads.

So, once again, sorry Brad.

That's ok I admit I was being stupid during the first day phase because I didn't get enough sleep that night no hard feelings.

I'm hoping to play better in the next game I'll try not to play as reckless as I did during Day 1 of Phoenix Wright but you got to admit it did make the game interesting.

[Deleted]

......Damn

Oh well, it was a good game

[daime]

Hey Notorious

I told you so.

My power's out at home, give me this much. lol

[Dub H]

No one will thank me for my so useful action of roleblocking gus?!It was such a essencial game changer!

Just kidding

[Allison Reynolds]

Sept 5, 2012 16:30:15 GMT -5 Triple H buried SnS said:

Can this thread be linked in the actual game thread? Or can the above information be added to the game thread?

Makes going back and looking at these game difficult if we have to go to two different threads with nothing connecting them.

I've linked the thread for convenience.

Sept 5, 2012 16:39:58 GMT -5 TOO SWEET said:

EDIT: And reading over the quicktopic, it seems like Hawkeye was kind of screwed. He kept asking for opinions/ideas, and wouldn't get any answers.

Good observation! If there's anything that really works against a scum-team, it's the lack of cooperation between team-mates. That's a huge power for the scum, to know and plan together. If the scum are not using this ability during their night-phase, then I don't know what to tell you. The Scum should be discussing together with the rest of their group to really be effective.

Just look at the scum team in the WWE Superstar theme. I think in large part they had done so well, was because of the very strong team-work they had shown with each other. So if you're scum and you want to do well, you must work together with your team-mates at night! (No communicating during day-phase except in thread).

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Also Mr. B Natural, despite what I brought up here, you did a very good job as host.

Again, it's just two things that could be fixed for next time:
1. The write-ups with too many characters/night-actions being given to the players right there. Described in the link above. You'll want the players to do the detective work themselves.

2. The long, long night phases, which should be shorter than the day phases, not equal, but you've already considered it, so no problem!

[Allison Reynolds]

Oh and one quick. #3. Investigations should only give the guilty/not guilty Or town/not town read. It should not give the character's name.

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What's interesting for people to really look into as a cop, is that your abilities are not 100% as proven in this game. DO NOT depend on the investigation results only. Use YOUR OWN intuition. It's what prevented a scum lynch one day.

Just because you get a innocent read on someone, like Hawkeye, it doesn't confirm them as town. As there are definitely shrouding abilities out there, like some scum can be assigned to. Same with the town having roles that make them come off as guilty, even if they aren't. Usually there's just one of each though. But be careful to not disregard a person's comments just because you got an innocent read on them. I've seen many games where it screwed over the town, because of trusting the innocent read after investigating some very clever, Mafia Godfathers.

[MasonK565]

I was always suspicious of Cageking. I really didn't know what to do that night so I just went with my gut. Cageking.

[Big Bad Brad]

Sept 5, 2012 20:21:24 GMT -5 MasonK565 said:

I was always suspicious of Cageking. I really didn't know what to do that night so I just went with my gut. Cageking.

Well it lucked out for you I took a screen shot of the randomed list of your abilities I sent this screen shot to Mr. B just to show him I did random the abilities.

img266.imageshack.us/img266/2298/mafiaskitzo.jpg [/img]

Again I didn't know there was a possibly of the skitzo's role not working as each night phase nothing happened with the role when something should of happened either a roleblock, kill, protection or investigation

well I have a theory that since you used it on Notorious and Daime protected Notorious that your ability might of been a kill for that night phase but because Daime protected Notorious nothing happen just a hunch.

[Big Bad Brad]

Ah I just read the role PM for Godot

depending on your luck you'll end up either protecting them, inspecting them, killing them, or doing nothing at all!

Oh well now that makes since there was no roleblock ability with your role it was replaced with nothing at all I get it now.

[TOO SWEET]

Well, at least its no harm/no foul. But to be honest, I didn't really like the whole sub host thing.

I know that people wanted the game to speed up, but I would've rather waited a day or two, and had B Natural keep doing everything.

Definitely nothing personal against Brad, but its just a crappy situation for everyone involved.

The real host needs to put his trust in someone else to not screw up the style of the night recaps.
And the sub host has to constantly question, and make sure they aren't revealing too much/too little info. And its even tougher if they're not familiar with the other's characters.

[Big Bad Brad]

I agree with Spartan I'm not going to request to be a sub host again in someone elses mafia game either someone else can do it or we'll just let the night phase go on until the host gets back.

I'm sure I wont have that problem when I'm hosting my game.

[Deleted]

First of all, a big thanks to my boy B Natural for hosting an awesome game. Those write-ups were pretty fantastic. I loved having to read through the whole thing and look for clues, watching every character's every move.

Secondly, I'm proud of the Town. We got through it awesomely, and had it not been for us pressuring Jono into screwing himself over, we'd have had an even bigger group of survivors.

Now onto why I did anything that I did. I investigated Spartan during the first night, not because I was suspicious of him, but because I wasn't suspicious of him... which made him suspicious. Spartan's really good at these games, and I just wanted to be certain he was on my team. It was a good thing to have a great player like that, whom I felt like I could trust.

Hawkeye I investigated because he hadn't been posting much, and there was no way I could see him as either Town or Mafia. When it told me he was innocent, I figured it was the truth. At the very least if the write-up was lying to me, there was at least one other Mafia member out there to look for.

I investigated Daime because he was far and away the most suspicious acting person in the game after Gus got killed off. He was changing votes and jumping from this to that all willy-nilly. Plus he always seemed to be downplaying me and/or acting suspicious of me. I was relatively convinced that with his actions and his character, he'd be the third Mafia member. Until he revealed he was the Doctor, I didn't trust him at all. Good to see I was wrong about him.

One thing I did lie about though was during the Gus lynch. After we prodded him to reveal his character and people started to back off, I was still really convinced he was Mafia. So I pulled that BS excuse out from the first write-up and used it as evidence that he was Mafia. Obviously Wendy said the stuff that she said (the stuff asking if it was blue hair and whatnot), but she was clearly only saying that because she was startled by Franziska earlier in the night. Still, I used that little piece of "evidence" that Franny was there at Wendy's murder to convict him. Thankfully I was right that he was Mafia, or else that would have backfired.

Also, I'd like to thank the Mafia for finally letting me live all the way through a game. First time it's happened. I was really happy to see a game through from beginning to end.

Anyway... I'm really happy about the way this turned out. It was a really fun game and things went pretty smoothly. I'd love to play another B Natural game in the future.


Oh, and a question for Vadertime. What were you trying to do to me during that one Night Phase? I've been wondering that since it happened.

[Big Bad Brad]

Oh, and a question for Vadertime. What were you trying to do to me during that one Night Phase? I've been wondering that since it happened.

I can answer this partially

He was the skitzo he has no control of what he does to the player he targets.

I don't know what he hoped would happen but here is what does happen he tells Mr. B and Mr. B goes to Random.org/lists and randoms four actions Kill, Protect, Investigate and Nothing

now the action on you was either nothing or Kill because if it was kill it would of failed because Daime protected you and that would of caused the kill to be nothing does that make sense.

I would like to hear from Mr. B about that action when you randomed it was it nothing or was it a kill which turned into nothing because of the protect on Notorious I've been wondering that.

If Daime hadn't protected Notorious would VaderTime's skitzo ability have killed Notorious or would it of failed.

or maybe it was nothing because Notorious was protected I don't know.

[MasonK565]

I had to make a decision on my first two night phases with little knowledge going in. I saw Daime posting a lot and he gave a suspicious vibe. I was hoping it would be an investigation or a roleblock. Got nothing, which was fine with me because I knew very little at the time.

With Notorious, it was different. You were the leader of the town. I had a hunch either

A. Someone was gonna try to kill you.
B. Be fooling us all and was maybe a godfather. You were very active and very helpful. I took it for granted but there was a small bit of me saying, "what if?" I don't know very much about characters so I was wanting to either block you, or investigate you.

I never had any intention to kill anyone until Cageking. i wanted to investigate or kill him.