CaptainFall
Samurai Cop
'Fascinating is the word of the day'
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Sabu
Sept 10, 2012 12:01:10 GMT -5
Post by CaptainFall on Sept 10, 2012 12:01:10 GMT -5
He botched just as much as he innovated, really. But at least he did bring something new to the US wrestling scene. I think the word "botch" is thrown around too freely and loosely, at least for my taste, as it concerns high-flyers in paraticular. The whole idea behing a high flyer -- be it someone crazy like Sabu or someone more finesse like say Jeff Hardy -- is that the moves are high risk. If they hit what they do every time, where's the risk? Doing stuff like Sabu was doing, it's a high-wire act with no net. You can't do things like that and hit every time, so when they miss it's part of what makes their high-risk, high-reward style work. If it's only high reward with no risk, I guess everyone would do it. From my perspective, it's more of a "botch" if RVD rolls over three times and jumps up for a 3-foot splah that doesn't create enough of an impact to bust a grape and the guy isn't standing up in the corner reading a newspaper by the time rolly-polly gets there. It's not a botch as defined by mis-execution of the move as planned so much as a botch on the part of whoever thought anyone would believe it would damage the opponent or that the opponent would lie around that long to take the move -- if he's that out of it, go ahead and pin him and get it over with. Great post. I've always thought it's unfair to criticise Sabu for 'botching' all the time, it's pretty much the point of the style he uses. You don't become homicidal, suicidal and genocidal by doing armbars and headlock takedowns.
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Sabu
Sept 12, 2012 18:16:23 GMT -5
Post by KobashiChop on Sept 12, 2012 18:16:23 GMT -5
In terms of "skill", Sabu is awful. Botches everywhere, its just highspot to highspot to highspot.
But I will say this. Ive never seen a boring Sabu match. Theyre car crashes in a good way.
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Sabu
Sept 12, 2012 23:08:11 GMT -5
Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Sept 12, 2012 23:08:11 GMT -5
I think to really "get" Sabu, you had to have been watching him in 1993 and 1994. He's one of the very few guys I've ever seen where my initial reaction was "...I've never seen anything like this before".
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Sabu
Sept 13, 2012 11:51:48 GMT -5
Post by BRAINFADE on Sept 13, 2012 11:51:48 GMT -5
iI unfortunately just missed his mid-90s peak, but when I got into ECW in 99, Sabu absolutely blew me away by just how batshit insane the dude was.
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Sabu
Sept 13, 2012 12:35:01 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 12:35:01 GMT -5
I think to really "get" Sabu, you had to have been watching him in 1993 and 1994. He's one of the very few guys I've ever seen where my initial reaction was "...I've never seen anything like this before". Agreed completely. He had an aura about him unlike anyone else.
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DavidArquette
Don Corleone
The actor formerly known as avanteproject
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Sabu
Sept 13, 2012 14:26:29 GMT -5
Post by DavidArquette on Sept 13, 2012 14:26:29 GMT -5
I think the word "botch" is thrown around too freely and loosely, at least for my taste, as it concerns high-flyers in paraticular. The whole idea behing a high flyer -- be it someone crazy like Sabu or someone more finesse like say Jeff Hardy -- is that the moves are high risk. If they hit what they do every time, where's the risk? Doing stuff like Sabu was doing, it's a high-wire act with no net. You can't do things like that and hit every time, so when they miss it's part of what makes their high-risk, high-reward style work. If it's only high reward with no risk, I guess everyone would do it. From my perspective, it's more of a "botch" if RVD rolls over three times and jumps up for a 3-foot splah that doesn't create enough of an impact to bust a grape and the guy isn't standing up in the corner reading a newspaper by the time rolly-polly gets there. It's not a botch as defined by mis-execution of the move as planned so much as a botch on the part of whoever thought anyone would believe it would damage the opponent or that the opponent would lie around that long to take the move -- if he's that out of it, go ahead and pin him and get it over with. Great post. I've always thought it's unfair to criticise Sabu for 'botching' all the time, it's pretty much the point of the style he uses. You don't become homicidal, suicidal and genocidal by doing armbars and headlock takedowns. True. But still, the amount of times he's thrown someone in to the crowd, got in the ring, set a chair up, ran on to the chair and jumped to the ropes only to lose balance and drop back to the mat, repeat the spot again with the same results, then instead do a more simple 'plancha' style move that is underwhelming compared to what he was trying to do... I understand the style/gimmick.. I just don't find it entertaining.
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Sabu
Sept 13, 2012 15:59:09 GMT -5
Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 13, 2012 15:59:09 GMT -5
Sabu suffers from being an innovator in an era when the sport was unpopular in a promotion no one watched. Now anyone can be a Sabu, and Sabu got more famous the more injured he got until his fame and health started downturning at the same time.
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Sabu
Sept 13, 2012 17:54:29 GMT -5
Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 13, 2012 17:54:29 GMT -5
Sabu said in an interview that in a lot of ways the table spots he invented were both a blessing and a curse. It was a blessing because he started getting noticed more in the states, but everybody then wanted him to go through a table every night, and it hurt like hell.
Sabu of the 90's was a damn good wrestler who happened to come up with different forms of offense using weapons. But due to his wreckless style, his body got destroyed rather quickly.
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Sabu
Sept 15, 2012 9:04:23 GMT -5
Post by abjordans on Sept 15, 2012 9:04:23 GMT -5
Sabu said in an interview that in a lot of ways the table spots he invented were both a blessing and a curse. It was a blessing because he started getting noticed more in the states, but everybody then wanted him to go through a table every night, and it hurt like hell. Sabu of the 90's was a damn good wrestler who happened to come up with different forms of offense using weapons. But due to his wreckless style, his body got destroyed rather quickly. Let us not forget that Chris Benoit did break Sabu's neck. I am sure that sped up the deterioration process.
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