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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 4, 2006 15:35:21 GMT -5
Boy they were really harping on that number on Raw this Monday. Its funny since the capcity for a hockey game is 19,040 so they lose around a thousand seats plus compared to that. I guess attendence has been down for a while if they just start talking about attendnce numbers.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Jan 4, 2006 15:38:40 GMT -5
well, they have to block off roughly 3 sections of seats just for the RAW set. Depending on how many floor seats are put in, this could lower the number from the actual.
And yes, business has been bad enough to hype a RAW sellout.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 4, 2006 15:42:41 GMT -5
well, they have to block off roughly 3 sections of seats just for the RAW set. Depending on how many floor seats are put in, this could lower the number from the actual. And yes, business has been bad enough to hype a RAW sellout. I figured that much but never knew roughly how many seats.
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Post by jaywatts on Jan 4, 2006 16:03:14 GMT -5
Busines is pretty bad, I don't think they will ever admit how bad it really is. Business was great back in they day when they could sell out any building. I moved from Baton Rouge to northern Michigan a few years ago. I seen WWE run a couple house shows in the last couple years around here in a civic center that doesn't even hold a thousand people. If that's not sad, I don't know what is. It was cool seeing Dean Malenko and Tim White(god rest his soul) running around as agents though.
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Post by sunwukong on Jan 4, 2006 16:09:26 GMT -5
Busines is pretty bad, I don't think they will ever admit how bad it really is. Business was great back in they day when they could sell out any building. I moved from Baton Rouge to northern Michigan a few years ago. I seen WWE run a couple house shows in the last couple years around here in a civic center that doesn't even hold a thousand people. If that's not sad, I don't know what is. It was cool seeing Dean Malenko and Tim White(god rest his soul) running around as agents though. I haven't been to anything live in forever, but I've talked to a few people who've been to both Raw and Smackdown shows over the last 18 months and the general consensus is that attendance isn't anywhere near what they're saying it is on a show to show basis. That's not really shocking, of course. It's common for pro-sports teams to announce fake sellouts, or set a standard far below capacity to constitute a sellout.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Jan 4, 2006 16:14:27 GMT -5
Busines is pretty bad, I don't think they will ever admit how bad it really is. Business was great back in they day when they could sell out any building. I moved from Baton Rouge to northern Michigan a few years ago. I seen WWE run a couple house shows in the last couple years around here in a civic center that doesn't even hold a thousand people. If that's not sad, I don't know what is. It was cool seeing Dean Malenko and Tim White(god rest his soul) running around as agents though. I haven't been to anything live in forever, but I've talked to a few people who've been to both Raw and Smackdown shows over the last 18 months and the general consensus is that attendance isn't anywhere near what they're saying it is on a show to show basis. That's not really shocking, of course. It's common for pro-sports teams to announce fake sellouts, or set a standard far below capacity to constitute a sellout. I also heard they give free tickets if there aren't enough people. Not surprising to me. You know, if ratings are going up, but attendance keeps going down, you know what this means? It means people who would get to the show live don't bother to anymore, and just sit at home to watch it. That's not good.
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Jan 4, 2006 16:19:11 GMT -5
Post by sunwukong on Jan 4, 2006 16:19:11 GMT -5
I haven't been to anything live in forever, but I've talked to a few people who've been to both Raw and Smackdown shows over the last 18 months and the general consensus is that attendance isn't anywhere near what they're saying it is on a show to show basis. That's not really shocking, of course. It's common for pro-sports teams to announce fake sellouts, or set a standard far below capacity to constitute a sellout. I also heard they give free tickets if there aren't enough people. Not surprising to me. You know, if ratings are going up, but attendance keeps going down, you know what this means? It means people who would get to the show live don't bother to anymore, and just sit at home to watch it. That's not good. I was thinking about that the other day. There's such an emphasis placed on ratings, but that's really a leftover from the Monday Night Wars. Sure, it helps set ad prices, but the REAL money (especially with the deal they've got with USA) comes from ticket sales. If they keep ignoring the blatant fact that attendance is hurting, they're going to lose more money.
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Jan 4, 2006 16:31:18 GMT -5
Post by slik81 on Jan 4, 2006 16:31:18 GMT -5
all this adds up to why I'm iffy on the reports WM will be moving back to a stadium. I don't think the market supports it
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Jan 4, 2006 16:37:44 GMT -5
Post by The Deadly Snake on Jan 4, 2006 16:37:44 GMT -5
all this adds up to why I'm iffy on the reports WM will be moving back to a stadium. I don't think the market supports it Well, It's Wrestlemania. So that's a bit different. But every other PPV....
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Jan 4, 2006 16:39:19 GMT -5
Post by sunwukong on Jan 4, 2006 16:39:19 GMT -5
I think the Wrestlemania name has been devalued somewhat over the last couple of years. It's still their biggest draw by far, but it's not the earth shaking event it used to be. Whether that's independant of the current business environment or a symptom of it, I'm not sure.
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Jan 4, 2006 16:39:22 GMT -5
Post by Tyfo on Jan 4, 2006 16:39:22 GMT -5
I think attendence just depends on were you are. Like here in Dallas, every televised event ive been to has sold very well. The American Airlines Center can probably hold in the neighborhood of 17,000 for wrestling and its always pretty much capacity. Homecoming a few months ago was a legit sellout, Survivor Series 2003 was the same. House shows dont sell as well, but thats to be expected since they arent on the same level as televised events in most peoples eyes.
Dallas-Ft Worth has always been a big wrestling market, but i guess in places that arent, the attendence isnt to good.
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Jan 4, 2006 16:41:28 GMT -5
Post by The Deadly Snake on Jan 4, 2006 16:41:28 GMT -5
I think the Wrestlemania name has been devalued somewhat over the last couple of years. It's still their biggest draw by far, but it's not the earth shaking event it used to be. Whether that's independant of the current business environment or a symptom of it, I'm not sure. That's because WWE has been screwing around too much. Wrestlemania is still wrestlemania. Wrestlemania isn't just WWE Wrestlemania... it's WRESTLING'S Wrestlemania. But WWE is taking that for granted...
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Jan 4, 2006 16:41:49 GMT -5
Post by sunwukong on Jan 4, 2006 16:41:49 GMT -5
I think attendence just depends on were you are. Like here in Dallas, every televised event ive been to has sold very well. The American Airlines Center can probably hold in the neighborhood of 17,000 for wrestling and its always pretty much capacity. Homecoming a few months ago was a legit sellout, Survivor Series 2003 was the same. House shows dont sell as well, but thats to be expected since they arent on the same level as televised events in most peoples eyes. Dallas-Ft Worth has always been a big wrestling market, but i guess in places that arent, the attendence isnt to good. I remember reading a while back that at this point, House Shows are basically akin to throwing money into a black hole. I don't know if it's changed any, but a few months back The Motley Fool calculated that the gate at your typical House Show didn't even create enough income to conver the expense of holding the show in the first place.
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Jan 4, 2006 16:42:38 GMT -5
Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 4, 2006 16:42:38 GMT -5
all this adds up to why I'm iffy on the reports WM will be moving back to a stadium. I don't think the market supports it but its wrestlemania!!! where legends are maaaaade!! where hulk hogan single handedly threw andre the giant and bobby heenan through the roof at wrestlemaia 3 WITH ONE HAND, IN FRONT OF EIGHT BILLION PEOPLE!!
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Jan 4, 2006 16:46:00 GMT -5
Post by The Deadly Snake on Jan 4, 2006 16:46:00 GMT -5
I think attendence just depends on were you are. Like here in Dallas, every televised event ive been to has sold very well. The American Airlines Center can probably hold in the neighborhood of 17,000 for wrestling and its always pretty much capacity. Homecoming a few months ago was a legit sellout, Survivor Series 2003 was the same. House shows dont sell as well, but thats to be expected since they arent on the same level as televised events in most peoples eyes. Dallas-Ft Worth has always been a big wrestling market, but i guess in places that arent, the attendence isnt to good. I remember reading a while back that at this point, House Shows are basically akin to throwing money into a black hole. I don't know if it's changed any, but a few months back The Motley Fool calculated that the gate at your typical House Show didn't even create enough income to conver the expense of holding the show in the first place. That's because everyone knows that nothing changes or happens at house shows.
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Jan 4, 2006 17:21:40 GMT -5
Post by yobodyslam on Jan 4, 2006 17:21:40 GMT -5
WWE attendance is higher than hockey game attendance. Business is great at WWE events. House shows have huge attenedances.
WWE isn't taking WM for granted and neither are fans. Both house and live shows are great and give a real atmospheric feel to what you're seeing. Even though not everyone gets great seats, what counts is that your voice is heard.
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Jan 4, 2006 17:23:18 GMT -5
Post by The Deadly Snake on Jan 4, 2006 17:23:18 GMT -5
Dude, you lost me when you said house show attendance is great. They wren't all that good, not even comparatively during the Attitude Era. The reaon is because nothing happens at house shows, so no one goes to house shows.
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Jan 4, 2006 17:32:16 GMT -5
Post by Tyfo on Jan 4, 2006 17:32:16 GMT -5
House Show attendence is down, as well as most attendence at shows, but the reason to keep doing the shows is merchandise sales. They are still very strong, and are worth keeping house shows going for.
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Post by Rocky Angle on Jan 4, 2006 17:32:51 GMT -5
WWE attendance is higher than hockey game attendance. Business is great at WWE events. House shows have huge attenedances. WWE isn't taking WM for granted and neither are fans. Both house and live shows are great and give a real atmospheric feel to what you're seeing. Even though not everyone gets great seats, what counts is that your voice is heard. You know, I used to think this guy was Cena, but now I think he might be Vince.
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Post by midicai on Jan 4, 2006 17:41:47 GMT -5
WWE attendance is higher than hockey game attendance. Business is great at WWE events. House shows have huge attenedances. WWE isn't taking WM for granted and neither are fans. Both house and live shows are great and give a real atmospheric feel to what you're seeing. Even though not everyone gets great seats, what counts is that your voice is heard. You know, I used to think this guy was Cena, but now I think he might be Vince. im thinking that too...
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