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Post by -Lithium- on Oct 4, 2012 21:40:00 GMT -5
Does anyone know if HBK's back hitting the top turnbuckle (while trying the spot where he flips over it) at WM 14 was planned or not?
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Oct 4, 2012 21:51:54 GMT -5
Does anyone know if HBK's back hitting the top turnbuckle (while trying the spot where he flips over it) at WM 14 was planned or not? Probably, Shawn did that same spot (except he flipped) at WM 12. |
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Post by cherry coloured funk on Oct 4, 2012 22:19:13 GMT -5
Except that his back was in terrible shape at that point. I remember cringing seeing that. I can't enjoy that match knowing how risky it was for him, despite how much of an unprofessional douche he was in the months leading up to it.
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Post by -Lithium- on Oct 4, 2012 22:25:18 GMT -5
Does anyone know if HBK's back hitting the top turnbuckle (while trying the spot where he flips over it) at WM 14 was planned or not? Probably, Shawn did that same spot (except he flipped) at WM 12. That's what I meant. He usually flipped over it, like Flair, but at 14 the middle of his back just hits the top turnbuckle and all the forced is concentrated there. I didn't know if it was planned to play up his back injuries, or if he legitimately messed up the flip spot... |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 4, 2012 22:26:55 GMT -5
Except that his back was in terrible shape at that point. I remember cringing seeing that. I can't enjoy that match knowing how risky it was for him, despite how much of an unprofessional douche he was in the months leading up to it. I still think he blew his back problems way out of proportion as an excuse to leave because he was starting to lose his grip of power. It's pro wrestling. I bet half the locker room had lousy backs, and continued to wrestle for years. I'd give some people the benefit of the doubt, but with it being 1998 Shawn Michaels and the fact that he was better than ever upon his return in 2002 really leads me to believe that Shawn's back injury is another case of lost smile syndrome. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 22:29:49 GMT -5
Except that his back was in terrible shape at that point. I remember cringing seeing that. I can't enjoy that match knowing how risky it was for him, despite how much of an unprofessional douche he was in the months leading up to it. I still think he blew his back problems way out of proportion as an excuse to leave because he was starting to lose his grip of power. It's pro wrestling. I bet half the locker room had lousy backs, and continued to wrestle for years. I'd give some people the benefit of the doubt, but with it being 1998 Shawn Michaels and the fact that he was better than ever upon his return in 2002 really leads me to believe that Shawn's back injury is another case of lost smile syndrome. I think that and his drug problem were the key factors. Most wrestlers could probably go the doctor and have them say "you shouldn't wrestle anymore". |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 4, 2012 23:33:39 GMT -5
Except that his back was in terrible shape at that point. I remember cringing seeing that. I can't enjoy that match knowing how risky it was for him, despite how much of an unprofessional douche he was in the months leading up to it. I still think he blew his back problems way out of proportion as an excuse to leave because he was starting to lose his grip of power. It's pro wrestling. I bet half the locker room had lousy backs, and continued to wrestle for years. I'd give some people the benefit of the doubt, but with it being 1998 Shawn Michaels and the fact that he was better than ever upon his return in 2002 really leads me to believe that Shawn's back injury is another case of lost smile syndrome. While Shawn may've been an unprofessional douche and liar at some point, I really don't think he was lying about his back. His wife, Vince, and several others confirmed how much pain he was in and if it wasn't serious I don't think he would've been away as long as he was. You have to remember he was doing a few appearances here and there, that really didn't involve any huge bumps either. So while I believe he was lying about his knee, I do believe he was telling the truth about his back. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 4, 2012 23:36:34 GMT -5
Even in Shawn's book and I remember Hunter confirming it the plan was for Shawn, Hunter, Pac, and along with the addition of NAO to DX was still going to happen. Shawn was still going to be in the main event, still be in a over stable, and most likely still be the focal point of the stable most likely. So I really don't see why Shawn would lie about his back and miss out on that.
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Post by joebob27 on Oct 4, 2012 23:40:42 GMT -5
Who knows what was going on with him. Keep in mind he did get paid up until he was fired. Obviously not what he would have been paid if he worked (especially with how things took off), but again, who knows. Obviously he was hurt and took an awful bump, but who knows the extent.
Clearly nothing in his back was "crushed" as the story went. I don't think anyone will every know the % shoot/work his injury was. I also don't think alot of people around at the time gave a shit, either.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 4, 2012 23:42:49 GMT -5
Except that his back was in terrible shape at that point. I remember cringing seeing that. I can't enjoy that match knowing how risky it was for him, despite how much of an unprofessional douche he was in the months leading up to it. I still think he blew his back problems way out of proportion as an excuse to leave because he was starting to lose his grip of power. It's pro wrestling. I bet half the locker room had lousy backs, and continued to wrestle for years. I'd give some people the benefit of the doubt, but with it being 1998 Shawn Michaels and the fact that he was better than ever upon his return in 2002 really leads me to believe that Shawn's back injury is another case of lost smile syndrome. I've always thought this too. Although him getting out of the wrestling world for a bit probably helped him overcome a lot, so it was worth it. |
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Post by highfivessteve on Oct 4, 2012 23:45:30 GMT -5
Don't think so. I think he tried to rotate but he just couldn't.
As stated above, a hard match to watching given the wincing every few minutes...
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 4, 2012 23:46:04 GMT -5
Again, why would he lie about his back or blow it out of proportion? The WWE was at the peak of its popularity, DX was insanely over, and as stubborn as he was I could see Shawn throwing a massive hissy fit at Wrestlemania still.
So he really had no reason to lie about his back considering what he wouldn't be apart of.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 23:48:56 GMT -5
Who knows what was going on with him. Keep in mind he did get paid up until he was fired. Obviously not what he would have been paid if he worked (especially with how things took off), but again, who knows. Obviously he was hurt and took an awful bump, but who knows the extent. He was fired? When? I know his planned role at WrestleMania 17 got nixed due to his drug problems, but I've never heard of him being actually let go. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 4, 2012 23:52:17 GMT -5
Who knows what was going on with him. Keep in mind he did get paid up until he was fired. Obviously not what he would have been paid if he worked (especially with how things took off), but again, who knows. Obviously he was hurt and took an awful bump, but who knows the extent. He was fired? When? I know his planned role at WrestleMania 17 got nixed due to his drug problems, but I've never heard of him being actually let go. If I'm not mistaken I think it was when he showed up to an event drug induced and Hunter informed Taker and Vince about it. |
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Post by joebob27 on Oct 4, 2012 23:58:31 GMT -5
Who knows what was going on with him. Keep in mind he did get paid up until he was fired. Obviously not what he would have been paid if he worked (especially with how things took off), but again, who knows. Obviously he was hurt and took an awful bump, but who knows the extent. He was fired? When? I know his planned role at WrestleMania 17 got nixed due to his drug problems, but I've never heard of him being actually let go. That's what I've read a bunch of times, that he was fired after he came doped up for TV. Makes sense considering he was out of the loop for over a year afterwards. Pretty sure he had a decent downside, it would be pretty odd to just give it to him after that. |
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Post by joebob27 on Oct 5, 2012 0:00:45 GMT -5
Again, why would he lie about his back or blow it out of proportion? The WWE was at the peak of its popularity, DX was insanely over, and as stubborn as he was I could see Shawn throwing a massive hissy fit at Wrestlemania still. So he really had no reason to lie about his back considering what he wouldn't be apart of. Well, there was no way to know that business was going to explode the way it did. It's not so much him fudging the injury as it is that he's banged up, he's got problems and he may have just decided to take extended time that just ended up getting more extended as there was no reason to deal with him if business was absolutely booming. |
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Oct 5, 2012 0:24:48 GMT -5
Didn't he have spinal fusion surgery on the back?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 0:38:43 GMT -5
He was fired? When? I know his planned role at WrestleMania 17 got nixed due to his drug problems, but I've never heard of him being actually let go. That's what I've read a bunch of times, that he was fired after he came doped up for TV. Makes sense considering he was out of the loop for over a year afterwards. Pretty sure he had a decent downside, it would be pretty odd to just give it to him after that. Never heard of him being fired for it. I know he was definitely back on good terms by December 2001 as he was on Excess for an interview. He also appeared at the 2002 Royal Rumble (albeit from WWF New York). |
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 5, 2012 0:55:24 GMT -5
On a side note, I feel like I'm the only one who likes the WM 14 match better than KOTR '97.
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