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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Oct 13, 2012 20:05:53 GMT -5
"Also, I eat everything, whether it's kosher or not."
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Post by celticjobber on Oct 13, 2012 20:06:10 GMT -5
Anyone who watched Goldberg back in the day knows that he kicks the s*** out of Ryback - Ryback has been booked to get this over. Most people are booked to get over. Doesn't mean that they actually will. Hardly anyone is booked as a monster who runs over others and hardly lets their opponents get any offense. Almost anyone could get over if they were booked like Ryback has been. The problem is WWE usually goes for parity booking, which ensures no one gets over very much.
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Post by Indiana Miz on Oct 13, 2012 20:14:47 GMT -5
I actually agree with him. I loved Goldberg when I was little, but I've kind of soured on him the past few years after reading some of his comments and interviews. Right now I'm a bigger fan of Ryback than Goldberg.
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Post by Arrow on Oct 13, 2012 20:16:41 GMT -5
Most people are booked to get over. Doesn't mean that they actually will. Hardly anyone is booked as a monster who runs over others and hardly lets their opponents get any offense. Almost anyone could get over if they were booked like Ryback has been. Brodus Clay and Tensai both did the exact same thing just this year, and neither of them were ever anywhere near how over Ryback has been.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 13, 2012 20:23:39 GMT -5
Goldberg was ABSOLUTELY booked to get over right out of the gate. Unless you count the Piper thing...
The difference between Ryback and Tensai/Brodus is that Ryback didn't have some added goofiness to his dominance. Also, that completely different physique.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 13, 2012 20:23:43 GMT -5
I never cared for Goldberg, but until Ryback has anywhere near the success he's had, he doesn't really have a lot of room to talk about who's the better wrestler. Anyone who watched Goldberg back in the day knows that he kicks the s*** out of Ryback - Ryback has been booked to get this over. Most people are booked to get over. Doesn't mean that they actually will. No it doesn't, but being booked to get over, and then getting over, is a success for the booking team. Having no booking whatsoever, and getting over, is a success for the wrestler.
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Post by Arrow on Oct 13, 2012 20:38:37 GMT -5
I never cared for Goldberg, but until Ryback has anywhere near the success he's had, he doesn't really have a lot of room to talk about who's the better wrestler. Most people are booked to get over. Doesn't mean that they actually will. No it doesn't, but being booked to get over, and then getting over, is a success for the booking team. Having no booking whatsoever, and getting over, is a success for the wrestler. Getting over is always a success for the wrestler, no matter what their booking was. If they don't possess the ability to get a crowd to respond to them, then all the good booking in the world won't matter.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Oct 13, 2012 21:04:45 GMT -5
lol WWE Mag.
Some sensitive folks in here I see.
If anything, Wrestlemania 20 was def an indicator that Berg didnt have that much passion for the biz. Or at least WWE at the time.
He didn't say anything out the ordinary and Im sure Goldberg admitted some of these things in the past.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Oct 13, 2012 21:44:02 GMT -5
Goldberg was a football player who went into wrestling after his career. It's what many men have done for decades from Ernie Ladd to Neidhart to Luger to Ron Simmons to Vader. Goldberg did very well for himself and his rise in WCW was more organic and from the people than Ryback's has been. I think being in WCW from 1997 to 2001 was not the best climate for Goldberg to learn about the business. He had major political players like Hogan and Nash and he saw a number changes in management. In a lot of ways it was a dysfunctional environment. He got a lot very soon and learned about the business from guys like Hogan and Nash who gave him career advice. Goldberg is said to have gotten a big ego based on his big push and how over he was, but was also said to be a very nice guy.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 13, 2012 23:02:54 GMT -5
He had me until he said that he was a better wrestler. That is debatable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 23:07:50 GMT -5
Most people are booked to get over. Doesn't mean that they actually will. Hardly anyone is booked as a monster who runs over others and hardly lets their opponents get any offense.
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Post by Mac on Oct 13, 2012 23:11:31 GMT -5
To try to compare Ryback/Goldberg isnt fair. Goldberg was one of the hottest (and oftetimes THE hottest) star in the time when wrestling was as big as it's ever been and likely ever will be. Thats a hefty slope to climb. I mean Jim Duggan was way over when he came into the WWF but he wasnt Hulk Hogan. Very over YES, but you wouldnt compare him to what Hogan did.
I think a lot of people discount Goldberg because 75% of his matches were quick squashes but you could make a legit argument he was the biggest star of his time when wrestling was as big as ever. Ryback right now gets decent pops, has a good look and a catch phrase thats easy for people to chant. Those two things arent comparable.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Oct 13, 2012 23:24:09 GMT -5
To try to compare Ryback/Goldberg isnt fair. Goldberg was one of the hottest (and oftetimes THE hottest) star in the time when wrestling was as big as it's ever been and likely ever will be. Thats a hefty slope to climb. I mean Jim Duggan was way over when he came into the WWF but he wasnt Hulk Hogan. Very over YES, but you wouldnt compare him to what Hogan did. I think a lot of people discount Goldberg because 75% of his matches were quick squashes but you could make a legit argument he was the biggest star of his time when wrestling was as big as ever. Ryback right now gets decent pops, has a good look and a catch phrase thats easy for people to chant. Those two things arent comparable. Also, I think it's fair to mention that when Goldberg debuted, he did not come in with a long period of training. Ryback had been working on becoming a professional wrestler for many years, first appearing as a contestant on SmackDown's Tough Enough in 2004.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Oct 13, 2012 23:27:07 GMT -5
If WWE treated WCW history fairly, Goldberg would still be considered one of THE icons of the boom era, a very small elite bunch that includes Austin, Rock, and Sting. As much as I love Foley, and as much as I recognize Triple H as a guy who wrestles, Goldberg meant more during the Attitude era than both of them.
The reason a segment of the audience, usually males in their mid-to-late twenties and up, chant Goldberg at Ryback is that Goldberg is still so very memorable. It's like someone getting testy if they wrestled with a bleached skullet and talked about taking vitamins and saying prayers, only to have the audience chant "Hogan" at him. Goldberg's schtick, while not very original, was done exceptionally well during the most popular era of wrestling.
WWE would be fools if they didn't try to lure Goldberg back for one big money match with Ryback. Hell, imagine the reaction if Ryback's streak ends when Goldberg runs in and spears him.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 13, 2012 23:39:22 GMT -5
If WWE treated WCW history fairly, Goldberg would still be considered one of THE icons of the boom era, a very small elite bunch that includes Austin, Rock, and Sting. As much as I love Foley, and as much as I recognize Triple H as a guy who wrestles, Goldberg meant more during the Attitude era than both of them. The reason a segment of the audience, usually males in their mid-to-late twenties and up, chant Goldberg at Ryback is that Goldberg is still so very memorable. It's like someone getting testy if they wrestled with a bleached skullet and talked about taking vitamins and saying prayers, only to have the audience chant "Hogan" at him. Goldberg's schtick, while not very original, was done exceptionally well during the most popular era of wrestling. WWE would be fools if they didn't try to lure Goldberg back for one big money match with Ryback. Hell, imagine the reaction if Ryback's streak ends when Goldberg runs in and spears him. What the hell does that accomplish?
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Post by Big L on Oct 13, 2012 23:49:25 GMT -5
Ehhh way too early in Ryback's career to really agree or disagree IMO
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 23:50:48 GMT -5
I want to believe that everyone in this thread is speaking in kayfabe along with Ryback.
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Post by mystikz on Oct 14, 2012 0:05:23 GMT -5
Oh come on. Goldberg never gave a damn about the fans or the business just the money. It's very true. I never gave a damn about his boring streak or matches either.
It's good Ryback is dedicated. Nobody wants a Lesnar or Lashley situation where after getting pushed the hell out of they just quit on them.
It's mostly keyfabe anyway. Yeah why shouldn't he talk himself up over some old has been who didn't really care?
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Oct 14, 2012 0:07:42 GMT -5
If WWE treated WCW history fairly, Goldberg would still be considered one of THE icons of the boom era, a very small elite bunch that includes Austin, Rock, and Sting. As much as I love Foley, and as much as I recognize Triple H as a guy who wrestles, Goldberg meant more during the Attitude era than both of them. The reason a segment of the audience, usually males in their mid-to-late twenties and up, chant Goldberg at Ryback is that Goldberg is still so very memorable. It's like someone getting testy if they wrestled with a bleached skullet and talked about taking vitamins and saying prayers, only to have the audience chant "Hogan" at him. Goldberg's schtick, while not very original, was done exceptionally well during the most popular era of wrestling. WWE would be fools if they didn't try to lure Goldberg back for one big money match with Ryback. Hell, imagine the reaction if Ryback's streak ends when Goldberg runs in and spears him. What the hell does that accomplish? ...sets up a huge WrestleMania match where Ryback would be put over?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 14, 2012 1:16:55 GMT -5
Part of me wonders if he's not so hostile because he's sick of hearing it. That aside though, I fail to see how he's any better in the ring than Goldberg. Hell, I never saw Goldberg fail to lift someone for the Jackhammer.
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