Punk's Reign: Why no feud with the Miz?

[Ryback on a Pole!]

Oct 14, 2012 15:00:29 GMT -5 BorneAgain said:

Oct 14, 2012 14:54:32 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Agreed. Punk has to be the technically superior "indy smark god" who belittle's Miz's lack of in-ring skills and calls him out for being a wannabe celebrity who just wants to use the WWE as a stepping stone. Miz grew up idolizing the Rock. Who's to say that Miz won't follow in Rock's footsteps by walking out on the business. Since Punk is "self-aware" and would know that people are tired of the "i'm here and you're not" argument, he can use it for heel heat. Miz would be the underdog with limited skills and ability who has to prove his passion, and prove that just because he's a celebrity and he isn't as good as Punk, doesn't mean he has no passion for wrestling.

I posted this line in an old thread about Daniel Bryan, and figured it could apply to Punk as well:

"You are a joke, Miz. While you were on MTV pretending to be a champion, I was WINNING championships all over the world!!! You are just a reality television reject whose fifteen minutes of fame lasted a bit too long. You see this title? This is for real professional wrestlers, not fake wannabe celebrities. You are nowhere close to being in my league."

And Miz with the perfect rebuttal:

"You resent me huh? You're the infinitely more talented athlete who's lowering himself being in the ring with me correct, you're the real tough guy having to share the spotlight with lesser people, right? Let me tell you something Bryan/Punk, you're not not a victim, you're not poor guy who deserves more. You're self righteous, entitled tool who thinks he's the only WWE superstar who's ever had to work hard at anything, who's ever had to struggle to earn respect.

You go on about announcers giving you a hard time, about the evil WWE corporate structure holding you back. But the fact is, since day one that you arrived here there's been a sizable group of people kissing your ass, talking you up about how one of the best in world is here, and how finally there's "real wrestlers" in WWE. And even though you've pissed away whatever support you had, from that very first night on you came here you had people in your corner rooting for you.

Me? I had no one. No fans, journalists talking up my skills, no great reputation except for being that reality TV guy. I just had myself. There were people like JBL running me down every chance he got, guys who in the locker room who because I wasn't trained by them or come from an athletics background, thought of me as nothing, all kinds of commentators saying how I'd be gone from this company within a year.

But I wasn't. They believed I would fade into nothing on ECW. I became part of the top tag team for two years. Said I'd never make as a singles star. I won the US title. Stated that someone like me would never ever become a world champion. I did. Promised that John Cena would defeat me at Wrestlemania. He didn't. Promised that I would be the Jannetty to John Morrison's Shawn Michaels. Well look who's still here and look who's not.

I've made a career out of proving people much smarter than you wrong. They say I'm arrogant? I rose from the very bottom of this company, winning title after title, to the point where I was in the main event of Wrestlemania; you're damn right I'm arrogant. Yet in your eyes, I did it all without the "great" wrestling skills, and you say that's my weakness.

But here's the truth you don't want to admit. If I'm not the biggest, fastest, toughest, or smartest man in this ring, then the only way I got here is that I wanted it more than anyone. That I had to bust my ass harder and much longer than any reasonable person would for the chance to prove myself. That's not my weakness Bryan/Punk, that's my strength, and that's why this Sunday, you'll lose. With all of your talents, you expect this job, this belt, the respect of these people to be given to you as if it were just natural.

Not in your league? We're not even playing the same game pal, because you expect all of of this, but I? I want it, I need it. And if it means busting my ass 100 times harder than you to get it, I will, because I'm the Miz and I'm... Awesome."

This is a 1000 times better than any material WWE creative would give a face Miz against Punk. They'd probably give him some forced jokes and immature insults.

Nice one, I loved it

[DrBackflipsHoffman]

I guess I should explain better - For me, anyway, there's absolutely nothing to relate to in a guy like The Miz, character wise which is the issue with him ever being a face. Either when he was dressing up like a frat boy, wearing his big long leather jacket with his absurd s***ty balloons or now as a permatanned millionaire greaseball. I'm glad he's at the position he's in through what he calls hard work or whatever, and developed himself into a character he's comfortable with and performing to the best of his abilities but everything about his entire fictional Miz being just screams assclown, and it doesn't help that i'm biased in finding nothing entertaining about anything he's ever done. Nothing about this character seems like it could be flipped in the way Corporate Rock turned himself into People's Champion. He seems forever destined to be like a junior Vince McMahon type character. He may have clawed his way up from comedy fodder to guy who just happens to be there, but I haven't found a single thing to like about him on that entire journey.

[HBL]

Oct 15, 2012 11:53:15 GMT -5 DrBackflipsHoffman said:

I guess I should explain better - For me, anyway, there's absolutely nothing to relate to in a guy like The Miz, character wise which is the issue with him ever being a face. Either when he was dressing up like a frat boy, wearing his big long leather jacket with his absurd s***ty balloons or now as a permatanned millionaire greaseball. I'm glad he's at the position he's in through what he calls hard work or whatever, and developed himself into a character he's comfortable with and performing to the best of his abilities but everything about his entire fictional Miz being just screams assclown, and it doesn't help that i'm biased in finding nothing entertaining about anything he's ever done. Nothing about this character seems like it could be flipped in the way Corporate Rock turned himself into People's Champion. He seems forever destined to be like a junior Vince McMahon type character. He may have clawed his way up from comedy fodder to guy who just happens to be there, but I haven't found a single thing to like about him on that entire journey.

That's perfectly fine. It was your first comment that was kinda weird.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Oct 15, 2012 11:53:15 GMT -5 DrBackflipsHoffman said:

I guess I should explain better - For me, anyway, there's absolutely nothing to relate to in a guy like The Miz, character wise which is the issue with him ever being a face. Either when he was dressing up like a frat boy, wearing his big long leather jacket with his absurd s***ty balloons or now as a permatanned millionaire greaseball. I'm glad he's at the position he's in through what he calls hard work or whatever, and developed himself into a character he's comfortable with and performing to the best of his abilities but everything about his entire fictional Miz being just screams assclown, and it doesn't help that i'm biased in finding nothing entertaining about anything he's ever done. Nothing about this character seems like it could be flipped in the way Corporate Rock turned himself into People's Champion. He seems forever destined to be like a junior Vince McMahon type character. He may have clawed his way up from comedy fodder to guy who just happens to be there, but I haven't found a single thing to like about him on that entire journey.

You may not see anything likable in Miz, and that's fine. However, there are some fans who find Miz's entire frat boy demeanor amusing. Miz is basically a dudebro in a suit, but his backstory screams face. He IS an ass clown, but I think his schtick could be turned around into a lovable douche comedy character just like The Rock.

[bigbadbull]

Oct 15, 2012 12:16:13 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Oct 15, 2012 11:53:15 GMT -5 DrBackflipsHoffman said:

I guess I should explain better - For me, anyway, there's absolutely nothing to relate to in a guy like The Miz, character wise which is the issue with him ever being a face. Either when he was dressing up like a frat boy, wearing his big long leather jacket with his absurd s***ty balloons or now as a permatanned millionaire greaseball. I'm glad he's at the position he's in through what he calls hard work or whatever, and developed himself into a character he's comfortable with and performing to the best of his abilities but everything about his entire fictional Miz being just screams assclown, and it doesn't help that i'm biased in finding nothing entertaining about anything he's ever done. Nothing about this character seems like it could be flipped in the way Corporate Rock turned himself into People's Champion. He seems forever destined to be like a junior Vince McMahon type character. He may have clawed his way up from comedy fodder to guy who just happens to be there, but I haven't found a single thing to like about him on that entire journey.

You may not see anything likable in Miz, and that's fine. However, there are some fans who find Miz's entire frat boy demeanor amusing. Miz is basically a dudebro in a suit, but his backstory screams face. He IS an ass clown, but I think his schtick could be turned around into a lovable douche comedy character just like The Rock.

The difference is that The Rock was intimidating, but can be charming and charismatic at the same times; also, he could pull out some very good to great matches. I don't see none of that with The Miz.

[Tiger Millionaire]

I'd like to see it, because I think Miz is one of the few in the company who could hang with Punk on the mic. With the exception of the Pipe Bomb promo, Miz's promo where he started in front of the locker room was the best promo I can remember.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb_jEMFoi_k

[bigbadbull]

Oct 15, 2012 12:32:05 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

I'd like to see it, because I think Miz is one of the few in the company who could hang with Punk on the mic. With the exception of the Pipe Bomb promo, Miz's promo where he started in front of the locker room was the best promo I can remember.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb_jEMFoi_k

You have to go back well over two years just to find the last great Miz promo.

[dav]

Oct 15, 2012 13:24:14 GMT -5 bigbadbull said:

Oct 15, 2012 12:32:05 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

I'd like to see it, because I think Miz is one of the few in the company who could hang with Punk on the mic. With the exception of the Pipe Bomb promo, Miz's promo where he started in front of the locker room was the best promo I can remember.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb_jEMFoi_k

You have to go back well over two years just to find the last great Miz promo.

Oh, he's had plenty of good promos over the years, that one was just his best really.

On topic, I'd love to have seen a feud between these two as in some ways, they're the different sides of the same coin. Both had a background that didn't make them WWE material but managed to grind their way to the top. It would have made for some really good action.

[bigbadbull]

Oct 15, 2012 14:28:39 GMT -5 dav said:

Oct 15, 2012 13:24:14 GMT -5 bigbadbull said:

You have to go back well over two years just to find the last great Miz promo.

Oh, he's had plenty of good promos over the years, that one was just his best really.

On topic, I'd love to have seen a feud between these two as in some ways, they're the different sides of the same coin. Both had a background that didn't make them WWE material but managed to grind their way to the top. It would have made for some really good action.

Their matches really didn't set the world on fire, because they don't have good chemistry, IMO.

[Bub (BLM)]

Oct 15, 2012 12:32:05 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

I'd like to see it, because I think Miz is one of the few in the company who could hang with Punk on the mic. With the exception of the Pipe Bomb promo, Miz's promo where he started in front of the locker room was the best promo I can remember.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb_jEMFoi_k

Punk would annihilate Miz on the mic. 85% of Miz' material is saying the word "really" and taking cheap shots at local sports teams.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Even though Miz & Punk's matches were "horrible", I don't think that they would need to have a technical classic if they feuded. They could get by with just hard hitting brawls.

[dav]

Oct 15, 2012 16:13:33 GMT -5 bigbadbull said:

Oct 15, 2012 14:28:39 GMT -5 dav said:

Oh, he's had plenty of good promos over the years, that one was just his best really.

On topic, I'd love to have seen a feud between these two as in some ways, they're the different sides of the same coin. Both had a background that didn't make them WWE material but managed to grind their way to the top. It would have made for some really good action.

Their matches really didn't set the world on fire, because they don't have good chemistry, IMO.

A decent stipulation match could cover their lack of chemistry really. They're both capable hands that could work a good harcore match well.

[bigbadbull]

Oct 15, 2012 16:38:35 GMT -5 dav said:

Oct 15, 2012 16:13:33 GMT -5 bigbadbull said:

Their matches really didn't set the world on fire, because they don't have good chemistry, IMO.

A decent stipulation match could cover their lack of chemistry really. They're both capable hands that could work a good harcore match well.

Sure, but that goes to show that the WWE doesn't trust The Miz to have a very good-great one on one match with Punk. To the poster above in two spots, I never said that they needed to have a technical classic.

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I remember Punk putting over The Miz in 2007 and 2008 calling him a great talker when promoting ECW and there always seemed to be tons of pics of JoMo, Punk, and Miz hanging around especially with all the tribute to the troops stuff.

[dav]

Oct 15, 2012 16:41:57 GMT -5 bigbadbull said:

Oct 15, 2012 16:38:35 GMT -5 dav said:

A decent stipulation match could cover their lack of chemistry really. They're both capable hands that could work a good harcore match well.

Sure, but that goes to show that the WWE doesn't trust The Miz to have a very good-great one on one match with Punk. To the poster above in two spots, I never said that they needed to have a technical classic.

Actually, I think it's more of a case of the WWE not trusting Punk to have a very good-great one on one match with Miz.

Seriously though, as long as you can get the crowd behind it, the matches themselves don't have to be great. A simple brawl with some nice hardcore spots will cover for both men and be a nice pay off to any feud with them.

[mizerable]

Oct 15, 2012 16:16:14 GMT -5 Bub (BLM) said:

Punk would annihilate Miz on the mic. 85% of Miz' material is saying the word "really" and taking cheap shots at local sports teams.

To be fair, switch the word "really" with "respect" and the same can apply to what Punk has been saying over the last few months.

But yes, Punk is capable of great promos. It's a shame that we haven't gotten very many good ones recently.