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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 11:02:56 GMT -5
UK F.A.N.'ers, what are your thoughts on this huge story that's been getting more shocking day by day. The latest shock is that he was actually having sex with corpses, saying he felt refreshed after doing the dirty deed, not to mention the poor children he abused.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 15, 2012 12:55:37 GMT -5
I always thought he was a bit of a strange bloke but had no idea he was so depraved. The latest revelation that he could have engaged in necrophilia is the most shocking yet.
Honestly, there needs to be a huge investigation and some folks need banging in the clink. There's no way he was getting away with this without anybody in the BBC knowing about it. Someone covered up for the sicko.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Oct 15, 2012 12:57:08 GMT -5
I heard Jeremy Beadle had a small hand in it...
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Post by dav on Oct 15, 2012 13:00:29 GMT -5
Has any actual evidence been revealed yet or is it just accusations?
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 15, 2012 13:01:55 GMT -5
I honestly think his appearance should have tipped people off. Come on, if this bloke lived on your street you'd warn your kids to stay away from him
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 15, 2012 13:10:48 GMT -5
It's disgusting. If these allegations are true (and it looks like that is the case) then his Knighthood should be taken away immediately. It's also alleged that he tried to grope a girl in a wheelchair (the same actress who starred in The Office). As Graham Linehan said on Have I Got News For You we should get all the Jim'll Fix It badges that were given out, melt them together to make a massive stake and drive it through his grave. This clip from his appearance on that show several years ago, sends a shiver down my spine..
My wife is American and when she moved to England, she had no idea who he was. Even though he was seen as a legend and had done countless work for charity, she was scared of him. Looking back, I think a lot of people are not that surprised at these stories. Normally, a person who raised as much for charity as he did and did so much work in making children's wishes come true would be seen as a beloved figure, yet Savile never really reached that status.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Oct 15, 2012 13:13:17 GMT -5
I once dressed up as him on a night out. I feel bad about that now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 13:17:25 GMT -5
It's disgusting. If these allegations are true (and it looks like that is the case) then his Knighthood should be taken away immediately. It's also alleged that he tried to grope a girl in a wheelchair (the same actress who starred in The Office). As Graham Linehan said on Have I Got News For You we should get all the Jim'll Fix It badges that were given out, melt them together to make a massive stake and drive it through his grave. This clip from his appearance on that show several years ago, sends a shiver down my spine.. My wife is American and when she moved to England, she had no idea who he was. Even though he was seen as a legend and had done countless work for charity, she was scared of him. Looking back, I think a lot of people are not that surprised at these stories. Normally, a person who raised as much for charity as he did and did so much work in making children's wishes come true would be seen as a beloved figure, yet Savile never really reached that status. There has to be a sheetload of covers up, he couldn't do it for this long without other people knowing, and that video is horrible, everyone thought it was a joke but now we know it's damn true, sick vile human.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Oct 15, 2012 13:17:52 GMT -5
It's a shame the allegations haven't come out earlier so we could see him actually suffer punishment.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 15, 2012 13:20:19 GMT -5
A issue I have is that some people are using this as a witch hunt against the BBC. I agree that if anyone covered up for him, then they should be brought to task but people have to remember that it was a different time back then. I am NOT saying that excuses it in any way because it obviously doesn't. But you do hear stories about various accusations made at companies back then, that they swept things under the rug an it went away. Now, it is a different time. You cannot get away with what you used to be able to and anything which was deemed "acceptable" at the time may now be seen as incredibly inappropriate (and rightfully so). If people who had no part of any cover-up but still knew about it, stood by and did nothing, then they should have said something about it at the time. Instead of holding onto a secret that at the time could have possibly prevented the same thing from happening again to someone else.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 15, 2012 13:25:39 GMT -5
Honestly, there needs to be a huge investigation and some folks need banging in the clink. There's no way he was getting away with this without anybody in the BBC knowing about it. Someone covered up for the sicko. Yeah the amount of people that knew or turned a blind eye must be huge , co-conspirators, police, hospital bosses, witnesses, the press and the BBC in general could have stopped him. There are even accusations that hospital bosses ignored complaints against him by nurses, BBC bosses ignored complaints from victims and that he paid of the police when caught (although there's no proof of course). In many ways I find that just as bad as what Saville did. And dav I don't think there's any concrete evidence but the way victims statements from opposite ends of the country fit the same pattern and the sheer number of accusations and people that suspected him make it seem 99% certain it happened, just a shame they never came out when was alive.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 15, 2012 13:36:58 GMT -5
Yeah the amount of people that knew or turned a blind eye must be huge , co-conspirators, police, hospital bosses, witnesses, the press and the BBC in general could have stopped him. There are even accusations that hospital bosses ignored complaints against him by nurses, BBC bosses ignored complaints from victims and that he paid of the police when caught (although there's no proof of course). In many ways I find that just as bad as what Saville did. And dav I don't think there's any concrete evidence but the way victims statements from opposite ends of the country fit the same pattern and the sheer number of accusations and people that suspected him make it seem 99% certain it happened, just a shame they never came out when was alive. It makes me wonder what else is/has been going on that we don't know about... I mean, there's obviously been a huge cover up over Jimmy Saville who, lets face it, is a C-Lister tops. If there can be such a big cover up and so much protection for him, makes me wonder if the same people have covered up for any celebrities higher up the totem pole. Hoenstly wouldn't surprise me. I always thought Saville was odd but never suspected anything like this.
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Post by "The Bantam" Rob Boss on Oct 15, 2012 13:46:14 GMT -5
I'll just say this: I had a close relative who used to work for West Yorkshire Police. Even over a decade ago, the police were well aware of *rumours* that he had a caravan on the East Coast (Scarborough region) where he invited scores of young girls back. Plus, I spent a lot of my college years with friends in Roundhay (where he lived) who were aware of his rather unusual behaviour.
I think it was one of those things where everyone suspected or "knew" of his actions... but the guy was like Teflon, nothing could stick and he made damn sure to cover his tracks and maintain influence over key authority figures to preserve his status, whilst alive.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 13:47:39 GMT -5
I mean, there's obviously been a huge cover up over Jimmy Saville who, lets face it, is a C-Lister tops Maybe since the 90s or so, yes, but from the late 60s to the early 80s he was just about inescapable on television. He's ingrained on an entire generation's memory, and he's easily the most famous children's TV presenter of all time, hence the knighthood and all. Still, as if the case wasn't bad enough to start with, the alleged cover-up is enough to render you speechless. Not even a month after the Hillsborough cover-up was revealed too, and not far removed from the Milly Dowler phone hacking case. It's been a terrible news year for Britain aside from the Olympics.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 15, 2012 13:47:52 GMT -5
A issue I have is that some people are using this as a witch hunt against the BBC. I agree that if anyone covered up for him, then they should be brought to task but people have to remember that it was a different time back then. I am NOT saying that excuses it in any way because it obviously doesn't. But you do hear stories about various accusations made at companies back then, that they swept things under the rug an it went away. Now, it is a different time. You cannot get away with what you used to be able to and anything which was deemed "acceptable" at the time may now be seen as incredibly inappropriate (and rightfully so). If people who had no part of any cover-up but still knew about it, stood by and did nothing, then they should have said something about it at the time. Instead of holding onto a secret that at the time could have possibly prevented the same thing from happening again to someone else. I agree to a certain extent, it's especially harsh that people moan about the BBC shelving the newsnight programme when it was pulled due to a key bit of evidence being extremely questionable. That said on an individual level I don't see why people couldn't have come forward in the 90s or 00s as things had largely changed by then, they knew there was a good chance he was still doing it but did nothing which as you say allowed it to happen to somebody else.
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Post by 4real on Oct 15, 2012 13:56:18 GMT -5
It's a tough one this. Obviously I'm disgusted by what I've read the last few days (I think The Sun has had him on the front page every day since last week) but it's still just accusations at this point. Although with the overwhelming evidence that seems to be gathering it seems he's guilty as sin.
Again it's a shame he isn't still alive to face these accusations and a lot of people are saying why didn't this come out when he was alive. Maybe that just shows how much power he had.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 13:58:19 GMT -5
Honestly, there needs to be a huge investigation and some folks need banging in the clink. There's no way he was getting away with this without anybody in the BBC knowing about it. Someone covered up for the sicko. Yeah the amount of people that knew or turned a blind eye must be huge , co-conspirators, police, hospital bosses, witnesses, the press and the BBC in general could have stopped him. There are even accusations that hospital bosses ignored complaints against him by nurses, BBC bosses ignored complaints from victims and that he paid of the police when caught (although there's no proof of course). In many ways I find that just as bad as what Saville did. And dav I don't think there's any concrete evidence but the way victims statements from opposite ends of the country fit the same pattern and the sheer number of accusations and people that suspected him make it seem 99% certain it happened, just a shame they never came out when was alive. I read somewhere that the nurses to the children to fake sleep so he wouldn't bother them, so there's a definate cover up on the hospitals part.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 14:50:15 GMT -5
It's a tough one this. Obviously I'm disgusted by what I've read the last few days (I think The Sun has had him on the front page every day since last week) but it's still just accusations at this point. Although with the overwhelming evidence that seems to be gathering it seems he's guilty as sin. This. The way some people have been talking in my office and in the papers, you'd think innocent until proven guilty didn't exist Having said that, from the amount of people who have made accusations I do think he will be found to be guilty at which point, no punishment (no matter if it is merely symbolic at that point) is too far The whole thing that gets me is these people who say they saw stuff in the hospitals as patients etc. where where these people 10 to 40 years ago. I mean I know people say he used his influence but I just can't imagine Saville having that much power especially since the 90s if all these accusations had came out at any point over the last 20 years
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 15, 2012 14:58:58 GMT -5
At this point, the accusations are so widespread with commonalties between diverse victims that I find it incredibly difficult to not regard them as being credible. But it will probably always remain unproven with certainty.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Oct 15, 2012 16:16:07 GMT -5
That's Sir Jimmy Saville to you.
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