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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 15, 2012 12:08:35 GMT -5
Since Silk Spectre seems to not really want to be a superhero at times, I'd switch her alignment with Rorschach's.
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Post by Cela on Jun 15, 2012 12:41:27 GMT -5
I'd put Ozy as Chaotic Good and slip Nixon (as portrayed in the comic book, not to start a debate on the actual man) as Lawful Evil. Ozy defies all rules to do for the greater good without a gain to himself. Nixon bends and uses the laws for his own personal gain. Ozy is someone who means well but did something that eliminates him fro heroism. Exactly. Using this logic, any Bond Villain that wants to save the world by killing off all of humanity would be Chaotic Good. It doesn't work that way, delusion does not change alignment.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jun 15, 2012 14:26:34 GMT -5
The difference is Ozy wanted to save humanity and succeeded in doing so. Ozy is far from delusional, Rorchach was the delusional one who thought justice was simply black and white. Doctor Manhattan who lives outside space/time and is the closest thing to the eyes of God as can be in a comic basically confirms this himself. Although his methods are appalling the ends in Ozy's eyes and Manhattan's and even to a degree Night Owl's justify that and nobody views them as villainous for going along with it.
Ozy and Rorchach are very extremes of a spectrum. Rorchach's extreme will lead to nuclear holocaust and Ozy's lead to a lot of cold blooded murder. It is up to the reader to decided. However saying doing bad things disqualifies someone from good is a very narrow view. The comic is a way to view incidents like Hiroshima from an abstract. Everyday somewhere in the world someone kills someone for what they beleive is the greater good and are celebrated as a hero by their people and villified by their enemies and the widows and orphans they leave behind, however in most cases had they not killed they would be the ones leaving widows and orphans.
The entire point of Watchmen is that the real world doesn't gel with golden/silver age comic book absolutisms. Viewing Ozy as a straight up evil villain is just putting on blinders and trying to shoe horn a shades of gray piece into a balck and white world. I wouldn't say Ozy is a hero, nobody in the book is a hero, but I wouldn't call him evil. His motivations are NOT self serving or to cause unneeded harm to come to anyone. Yes people died but it was all to protect his plan and save humanity from knowing the truth and thus making peace less likely. He didn't execute Comedian to get back at anyone or to send a message or to move himself up in Nixon's graces or to take anything from him, he did ti because Comedian was a loose cannon who had found out too much.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 15, 2012 14:32:41 GMT -5
I don't really think Ozy truly saved the world.
In both the comic and the film.
In the comic there is a chance Rorschach's journal, should it be believed, would unravel everything, and in the film, well the peace came about because everyone feared Doctor Manhattan, if they realize Doctor Manhattan isn't around anymore, and any logical thinker should realize that nothing they have can even stop Manhattan to begin with, Ozy's plan unravels there too.
Basically all Ozy did was sacrifice millions of people to buy the people of Earth a respite from the threat of nuclear holocaust.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 15, 2012 18:40:09 GMT -5
I don't really think Ozy truly saved the world. In both the comic and the film. In the comic there is a chance Rorschach's journal, should it be believed, would unravel everything, and in the film, well the peace came about because everyone feared Doctor Manhattan, if they realize Doctor Manhattan isn't around anymore, and any logical thinker should realize that nothing they have can even stop Manhattan to begin with, Ozy's plan unravels there too. Basically all Ozy did was sacrifice millions of people to buy the people of Earth a respite from the threat of nuclear holocaust. Also in either version of the story, once the threat is over they'll just try to kill each other.
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