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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 13, 2012 21:07:34 GMT -5
What alignment would Roschach be?
I'm thinking Chaotic Neutral with good tendencies but I'm not sure.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 13, 2012 21:11:42 GMT -5
Chaotic Good or Lawful Neutral, imo.
Chaotic Good because he does catch bad guys, but he goes about it too violently, Lawful Neutral because he doesn't care about anything else but upholding justice. Doesn't matter what it requires to accomplish this. Even in the face of Armageddon, he would never compromise on these beliefs.
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Post by Cela on Jun 13, 2012 21:40:00 GMT -5
Lawful Neutral most likely.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 13, 2012 21:41:55 GMT -5
People not to f*** with?
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 13, 2012 21:42:31 GMT -5
Lawful Neutral characters wouldn't go around murdering criminals. Remember that LN is that the law is paramount over anything else
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Post by Goldenbane on Jun 13, 2012 21:47:04 GMT -5
For super heroes and villains, I have to admit that the Palladium system works a little bit better.
That said, I'll say Rorschach is Abberant. He has his own code and follows it no matter what, but he's rather ruthless and remorseless when it suits his code.
Sticking with the current topic though, I'd say Rorschach is Chaotic Good with Lawful Neutral tendencies. If the "law" says "kill people who commit crimes," someone like Rorschach would have no problems at all murdering rapists, serial killers, and the like.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 13, 2012 21:52:21 GMT -5
Is it possible to be an extremist lawful good? Like the Punisher, having a mindset of "if you aren't a good and just person, you don't deserve salvation"? If so, then that's what he is. He's clearly doing what he thinks is right, and the people he's punishing are villains, but he's completely uncompromising and uncompassionate.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 13, 2012 21:53:39 GMT -5
Prick?
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 13, 2012 22:17:18 GMT -5
Lawful Neutral characters wouldn't go around murdering criminals. Remember that LN is that the law is paramount over anything else Actually there are 4 variations to LN 1.Believe in authority over all else (Definitley not schach) 2.Believe in rules above all else without regarrd for authority 3.believe in a personal code 4. seeks to bring Law to a Lawless enviroment |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 13, 2012 22:19:57 GMT -5
Lawful Neutral characters wouldn't go around murdering criminals. Remember that LN is that the law is paramount over anything else Actually there are 4 variations to LN 1.Believe in authority over all else (Definitley not schach) 2.Believe in rules above all else without regarrd for authority 3.believe in a personal code 4. seeks to bring Law to a Lawless enviroment #3 definitely sounds like Rorschach, as he definitely believes in a black and white morality code. There is good and there is evil as far as he is concerned, no middle ground. That certainly sounds like he believes in a code. |
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Post by Cela on Jun 13, 2012 22:28:13 GMT -5
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jun 13, 2012 22:45:46 GMT -5
I'd put Ozy as Chaotic Good and slip Nixon (as portrayed in the comic book, not to start a debate on the actual man) as Lawful Evil. Ozy defies all rules to do for the greater good without a gain to himself. Nixon bends and uses the laws for his own personal gain.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 14, 2012 22:07:10 GMT -5
I'd put Ozy as Chaotic Good and slip Nixon (as portrayed in the comic book, not to start a debate on the actual man) as Lawful Evil. Ozy defies all rules to do for the greater good without a gain to himself. Nixon bends and uses the laws for his own personal gain. Ozy is someone who means well but did something that eliminates him fro heroism. |
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jun 14, 2012 22:24:47 GMT -5
I think Lawful Neutral about does it for Rorschach. Comedian is a dead ringer for Chaotic Neutral, and that alone demonstrates that Rorschach is not Chaotic Neutral. The fact he has principles only seals it.
If we were to talk Palladium system, I think I'd agree with Aberrant. My problem with Palladium's system is that it seems a little arbitrary, but I do like that they go into itemized descriptions for their alignments as opposed to D&D using rather broad, lightly defined, but simplistic alignments.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jun 14, 2012 23:34:14 GMT -5
I'd put Ozy as Chaotic Good and slip Nixon (as portrayed in the comic book, not to start a debate on the actual man) as Lawful Evil. Ozy defies all rules to do for the greater good without a gain to himself. Nixon bends and uses the laws for his own personal gain. Ozy is someone who means well but did something that eliminates him fro heroism. Well I guess it depends on which Ozy you are talking about. I am thinking more of Alan Moore's shades of gray heroes then Zack Snyders successful Lex Luthor version of Ozy. Part of the point of Watchmen(the book) is that heroism is quite subjective. Ozy basically saved all of humanity from wiping itself off the planet and had to make big sacrifices to do so. Rorchach refused to sacrifice his ideals and was willing to let everyone go to hell for his own beliefs. |
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 15, 2012 0:35:20 GMT -5
Ozy is someone who means well but did something that eliminates him fro heroism. Well I guess it depends on which Ozy you are talking about. I am thinking more of Alan Moore's shades of gray heroes then Zack Snyders successful Lex Luthor version of Ozy. Part of the point of Watchmen(the book) is that heroism is quite subjective. Ozy basically saved all of humanity from wiping itself off the planet and had to make big sacrifices to do so. Rorchach refused to sacrifice his ideals and was willing to let everyone go to hell for his own beliefs. I don't know.If he was willing to kill so many people he doesn't qualify as good. I however don't think he really is evil due to the fact that he had noble intentions I think he is neutral. |
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jun 15, 2012 4:16:11 GMT -5
Yes but nothing is cut and dry simple. Yes he did kill some people, but he saved earth. Those very same people would have died had he not done anything and lived the Rorchach way plus so many more. He saw the larger picture that everyone else was willfully ignoring.
It's like if you kill an innocent animal for fun it's obviously bad, but if you kill the same animal to feed your starving family people would call that good. He's just the extreme form of good without a code of conduct as Rorchach was the extreme form of a code of conduct without a view of its effects.
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Post by hossfan on Jun 15, 2012 7:53:00 GMT -5
Yes but nothing is cut and dry simple. Yes he did kill some people, but he saved earth. Those very same people would have died had he not done anything and lived the Rorchach way plus so many more. He saw the larger picture that everyone else was willfully ignoring. It's like if you kill an innocent animal for fun it's obviously bad, but if you kill the same animal to feed your starving family people would call that good. He's just the extreme form of good without a code of conduct as Rorchach was the extreme form of a code of conduct without a view of its effects. There is no proof Ozymandias saved anything. Things didn't really start to turn to shit until The Comedian was killed and Doctor Manhattan vanished from the public eye, two things Ozy's responsible for. There's no way Veidt was the good guy in "Watchmen". |
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Jun 15, 2012 10:14:21 GMT -5
nutter
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 15, 2012 11:00:00 GMT -5
Ozy killed the people who assisted him he is no hero.
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