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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 14, 2012 23:45:50 GMT -5
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm The Phantasm has The Joker on a kitchen table, trying to kill him. The Joker has his arm stretched out behind him, reaching for either a knife or a big bologna. He whacks Phantasm with the bologna, because it's the funnier option.
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Post by bibboid on Jun 15, 2012 0:29:13 GMT -5
Adam West trying to dispose of that big goofy bomb in the 60's Batman movie. It is so cheesy and stupid that it makes me laugh every time I see it.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jun 15, 2012 0:40:01 GMT -5
Because it literally emcompasses everything a batman movie should be. I go with this scene also. I find the Batman and Batman Returns soundtracks are WAY WAY better than Begins and Dark Knight. Wish they'd use those soundtracks in the new movies.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jun 15, 2012 2:46:20 GMT -5
Sorry but nothing from the Nolan movies can top this. I remember watching as a kid when the Joker pulled out that long ass gun and I was like "holy bleep." Yes in retrospect it is kinda dumb how all of Batman's firepower completely missed him but Im looking at it in hindsight now, back then as a kid it was cool. The funny thing is that Nolan more or less did the exact same sequence in "The Dark Knight," just change the Batplane with the Batpod. "Love that Joker." And this is why I don't like Ledger's Joker, because his version would never, ever concoct a plan like this. It's simply a matter of having enough guns, knives, and barrels of gasoline. The logic to the Joker's madness works because it makes sense to him alone. As the 'agent of chaos', not so much, at least, not to the history of the character. For me my favourite scene from the (live action) Batman movies is this: And while I fault Nolan for not being true to the Joker character, I applaud Burton for making Catwoman a much more psychologically-motivated (and damaged) villain who fits alongside the other Batman rogues quite nicely, instead of merely being a cat burglar. The Catwoman arch in "Batman Returns" can be stated somewhat crudely: Selina Kyle has a "pussy problem." Now, the film itself plays with the crudeness of this metaphor. Kyle is condescended to by her employers, especially Max Schreck, for being a woman, denigrated to the position of 'secretary' (that today's nomenclature identifies as 'administrative assistant'). She is looked down upon by men because of her gender: not-man, or woman. Kyle's mother patronizes her on the phone about not having a man in her life, a remark that Kyle affirms after meeting Batman's gaze. Kyle also hears a voicemail message from a prospective date who's no longer interested in Kyle. So when Schreck pushes Kyle out the window in a vile act of misogyny, it takes the 'mystical' powers of the feline to resurrect Kyle (the association of cats and women, and women with the mystical, the natural [as nature], and supernatural are all subtexts to this scene). Kyle returns to her quaint pink apartment (pink being the socially constructed colour associated with being a 'woman', although because of the misogyny and patronizing she experiences, Kyle is 'infantilized' as being a 'girl' (and the misogyny against Kyle works in that infantilizing vein). So what does she do? She breaks, psychologically at least, in order to put herself back together. We see her fractured psyche as she smashes the mirror. She defaces her apartment with black spraypaint and does away with all childish attachments (note: she spraypaints the proverbial 'conjugal bed' of the doll dreamhouse before smashing the entire toy, again hinting at this idea of a "pussy problem"). She pulls out a leather jacket from her closet and refashions it. Catwoman literally and figuratively is a patchwork identity, a zigzag of a broken mental state. But in being broken Kyle becomes whole, she becomes who she really is, inasmuch as Batman is Bruce Wayne's real identity, while Bruce Wayne is his secret (false) identity. It's no wonder when Catwoman echoes Helen Reddy's feminist slogan, she changes it to suit her situation: "I am Catwoman, here me roar." But again, "pussy problem." Is it a matter of Catwoman loves Batman? Or more that Catwoman needs to have sex? But who she desires sexually is someone she can't have because he's both her antithesis (being on the side of the law) but also her doppelganger (as Batman states at the end of the film, emotionally being naked while being exposed as Bruce Wayne to Schreck, "we're the same... split right down the middle"). In this sense, Batman and Catwoman can only be 'physical' when fighting instead of consummating their attraction to one another. Even then, Batman still remains as hard, masculine, and phallic as ever ("who's the man behind the bat?") without actually enjoying himself (being happy, or, put simply, having an orgasm). Catwoman's position is the same, although she only achieves her ecstasy through death (one of her many deaths, no less, harkening back to the 'cat with 9 lives' and the idea of the mysterious, unexplained feminine). But she achieves this state of being with the man (or the Man) she hates the most. I know a lot of people dislike "Batman Returns" because it's not true to the villains as historically represented in the comics, or that it doesn't really have a story per se, just a bunch of action set pieces (I mean, stealing power from the city? a mayoral coup? kidnapping kids? wanton acts of vandalism? huh?). But it's the most tragic of the (live action) Batman films, to me anyway, and because of its tragic themes and characterizations *feels* the most like Batman should. Another reason why I'm not a big fan of the Nolan films (despite really enjoying "Begins" as an re-origin story) because they miss the psychology of Batman characters as being shattered, unwanted, unloved, and yet echoes of the very thing that make Batman who he is, a hero. Nolan trades that kind of psychology of character for psychology, period, and thus his films feel a lot stuffier, so much more stilted and turgid, than Burton's films (despite the faults of Burton's films, and there are many), and even the Schumacher blunders also (more so "Forever" than "Batman and Robin" for me anyway). TL; DR: Selina Kyle wants to get laid, but can't, and has had it dealing with sexist men, thus becoming Catwoman.
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Jun 15, 2012 9:47:32 GMT -5
The first time Batman speaks in Batman 1989: He's beaten the hell out of the two thugs and he's got one dangling over the side of a building. The thug, peeing his pants squeals "WHO ARE YOU???" And Batman very calmly pulls him forward to look him right in the eyes and says in a whisper "I'm Batman." Awesome! This. Nothing embodies Batman like this moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2012 9:51:53 GMT -5
That's not even the best scene from that movie. It's Joker dancing to Prince in the museum, ruining the works of art. That's probably one of the best Joker scenes from any form of Batman outside of the comics. Mine too. To me, that was exactly what a guy like the Joker would do. Like when a thug goes to destroy a painting and the joker stops him, "I kinda like this one. Leave it." classic
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jun 15, 2012 9:58:29 GMT -5
You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses on, would you?
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jun 15, 2012 10:43:11 GMT -5
when arkham asylum came up on the screen in BF, i PUNCHED THE AIR in delight!!! also the best batplane ..... flying through the tunnels!
the whole batpod chase in TDK is just exceptional
but it's also the small scenes too, keaton hanging upside down, the flowers-in-the-box, catwoman tumbling towards batman and penguin and the great slo mo trapeze stuff in BF ..... and even though BaR get's a BAD PRESS, i thought mr freeze was a standout, especially in he end!
special mention goes to the fantastic batman tumbling falls in BATMAN89 and BF!
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Post by austinariesfan88 on Jun 15, 2012 11:07:18 GMT -5
one of my favorite scenes:
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 15, 2012 11:17:04 GMT -5
I think the whole bank opening scene in The Dark Knight blows away anything Nicholsons Joker did, and I love Nicholsons Joker.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jun 15, 2012 13:14:00 GMT -5
The amount of symbolism in this scene coupled with the acting from Keaton and Pfieffer made this greatness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2012 13:19:07 GMT -5
The scene just afer this one was pretty good too. Vicki Vale: What do you want? The Joker: My face on the one dollar bill. Vicki Vale: You must be joking. The Joker: Do I look like I'm joking?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2012 13:33:38 GMT -5
Came in to say the museum scene. That whole movie is just a damn masterpiece, though.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jun 15, 2012 14:05:03 GMT -5
Sorry but nothing from the Nolan movies can top this. I remember watching as a kid when the Joker pulled out that long ass gun and I was like "holy bleep." Yes in retrospect it is kinda dumb how all of Batman's firepower completely missed him but Im looking at it in hindsight now, back then as a kid it was cool. The funny thing is that Nolan more or less did the exact same sequence in "The Dark Knight," just change the Batplane with the Batpod. "Love that Joker." And this is why I don't like Ledger's Joker, because his version would never, ever concoct a plan like this. It's simply a matter of having enough guns, knives, and barrels of gasoline. The logic to the Joker's madness works because it makes sense to him alone. As the 'agent of chaos', not so much, at least, not to the history of the character. For me my favourite scene from the (live action) Batman movies is this: And while I fault Nolan for not being true to the Joker character, I applaud Burton for making Catwoman a much more psychologically-motivated (and damaged) villain who fits alongside the other Batman rogues quite nicely, instead of merely being a cat burglar. The Catwoman arch in "Batman Returns" can be stated somewhat crudely: Selina Kyle has a "pussy problem." Now, the film itself plays with the crudeness of this metaphor. Kyle is condescended to by her employers, especially Max Schreck, for being a woman, denigrated to the position of 'secretary' (that today's nomenclature identifies as 'administrative assistant'). She is looked down upon by men because of her gender: not-man, or woman. Kyle's mother patronizes her on the phone about not having a man in her life, a remark that Kyle affirms after meeting Batman's gaze. Kyle also hears a voicemail message from a prospective date who's no longer interested in Kyle. So when Schreck pushes Kyle out the window in a vile act of misogyny, it takes the 'mystical' powers of the feline to resurrect Kyle (the association of cats and women, and women with the mystical, the natural [as nature], and supernatural are all subtexts to this scene). Kyle returns to her quaint pink apartment (pink being the socially constructed colour associated with being a 'woman', although because of the misogyny and patronizing she experiences, Kyle is 'infantilized' as being a 'girl' (and the misogyny against Kyle works in that infantilizing vein). So what does she do? She breaks, psychologically at least, in order to put herself back together. We see her fractured psyche as she smashes the mirror. She defaces her apartment with black spraypaint and does away with all childish attachments (note: she spraypaints the proverbial 'conjugal bed' of the doll dreamhouse before smashing the entire toy, again hinting at this idea of a "pussy problem"). She pulls out a leather jacket from her closet and refashions it. Catwoman literally and figuratively is a patchwork identity, a zigzag of a broken mental state. But in being broken Kyle becomes whole, she becomes who she really is, inasmuch as Batman is Bruce Wayne's real identity, while Bruce Wayne is his secret (false) identity. It's no wonder when Catwoman echoes Helen Reddy's feminist slogan, she changes it to suit her situation: "I am Catwoman, here me roar." But again, "pussy problem." Is it a matter of Catwoman loves Batman? Or more that Catwoman needs to have sex? But who she desires sexually is someone she can't have because he's both her antithesis (being on the side of the law) but also her doppelganger (as Batman states at the end of the film, emotionally being naked while being exposed as Bruce Wayne to Schreck, "we're the same... split right down the middle"). In this sense, Batman and Catwoman can only be 'physical' when fighting instead of consummating their attraction to one another. Even then, Batman still remains as hard, masculine, and phallic as ever ("who's the man behind the bat?") without actually enjoying himself (being happy, or, put simply, having an orgasm). Catwoman's position is the same, although she only achieves her ecstasy through death (one of her many deaths, no less, harkening back to the 'cat with 9 lives' and the idea of the mysterious, unexplained feminine). But she achieves this state of being with the man (or the Man) she hates the most. I know a lot of people dislike "Batman Returns" because it's not true to the villains as historically represented in the comics, or that it doesn't really have a story per se, just a bunch of action set pieces (I mean, stealing power from the city? a mayoral coup? kidnapping kids? wanton acts of vandalism? huh?). But it's the most tragic of the (live action) Batman films, to me anyway, and because of its tragic themes and characterizations *feels* the most like Batman should. Another reason why I'm not a big fan of the Nolan films (despite really enjoying "Begins" as an re-origin story) because they miss the psychology of Batman characters as being shattered, unwanted, unloved, and yet echoes of the very thing that make Batman who he is, a hero. Nolan trades that kind of psychology of character for psychology, period, and thus his films feel a lot stuffier, so much more stilted and turgid, than Burton's films (despite the faults of Burton's films, and there are many), and even the Schumacher blunders also (more so "Forever" than "Batman and Robin" for me anyway). TL; DR: Selina Kyle wants to get laid, but can't, and has had it dealing with sexist men, thus becoming Catwoman. I take it this the scene that Nolan took from Batman (1989)? I always kinda liked TDK version better just because I love how agitated The Joker is waiting to get his (but never does).
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 15, 2012 15:22:34 GMT -5
Jack's performance is just Jack being Jack. Don't get me wrong it was great for its time and is still wonderful, but Ledger's performance blows his out of the water.
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Post by erisi236 on Jun 15, 2012 15:22:39 GMT -5
I'm gonna need some guys.
..but not these guys.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 15, 2012 15:39:00 GMT -5
Some of my favorite Batman scenes.
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Post by ZERO on Jun 15, 2012 17:56:57 GMT -5
An opening so freakin' iconic it doesn't need to tell you what the show's called.
And the definitive Joker isn't Nicholson or Ledger (although both are great). It's Mark Hamill.
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