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Post by YiHammer on Oct 25, 2012 15:46:09 GMT -5
Anyone can get over with a catchphrase if WWE force feeds the casuals it enough.
Give Mason Ryan the Ryback push and a catchphrase and it will get over
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 15:48:05 GMT -5
I've seen stretches before but this is just asinine.
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Oct 25, 2012 15:50:17 GMT -5
Anyone can get over with a catchphrase if WWE force feeds the casuals it enough. Give Mason Ryan the Ryback push and a catchphrase and it will get over He didn't get over with the catchphrase, he got the catchphrase over. And fans are into his matches. Deal with it. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 25, 2012 15:50:49 GMT -5
Pretty huge logic leaps. We're not talkin Mario on SMB2, those are full on.Luigi
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Post by BigWill on Oct 25, 2012 15:52:22 GMT -5
Anyone can get over with a catchphrase if WWE force feeds the casuals it enough. Give Mason Ryan the Ryback push and a catchphrase and it will get over If that's true, then why didn't the WWE do that with Mason Ryan? Or Ezekiel Jackson, or Snitsky, or Mike Knox, or Heidenreich, or the dozens of other hosses that have come and gone and failed to get over? Why did the WWE employ such a foolproof strategy only on Ryback when they could have had all these big guys getting main even level cheers for years? |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 25, 2012 16:04:41 GMT -5
It would make a lot more sense if they chanted "Feed Him More"
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Post by Cronant on Oct 25, 2012 16:07:38 GMT -5
Anyone can get over with a catchphrase if WWE force feeds the casuals it enough. Give Mason Ryan the Ryback push and a catchphrase and it will get over Its not a bad thing to admit Ryback got over, and not everyone can do it like he did. |
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Oct 25, 2012 16:10:03 GMT -5
Its not force feeding if he's over. Where's that drawing of Vince McMahon force-feeding a fan John Cena from 2005 when you need it? |
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Post by PKO on Oct 25, 2012 16:31:42 GMT -5
Oh, I thought this was a joke thread but apparantly it isn't. I don't think it is at all related to what was proposed in the original post. I think maybe it could have something to do with Ryback's real life appetite, but I don't think it's intended to mock fans at all.
I think Ryback has been very lucky with how he was pushed. WWE have done a great job pushing him, but he also had that little spark that made it work. It's impossible to say "If done with X it would have worked just as well" but he has had a better push than everyone else listed above.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 25, 2012 16:42:56 GMT -5
Oh, I thought this was a joke thread but apparantly it isn't. I don't think it is at all related to what was proposed in the original post. I think maybe it could have something to do with Ryback's real life appetite, but I don't think it's intended to mock fans at all. I think Ryback has been very lucky with how he was pushed. WWE have done a great job pushing him, but he also had that little spark that made it work. It's impossible to say "If done with X it would have worked just as well" but he has had a better push than everyone else listed above. as I recall yimyac has complained about fans being manipulated by WWE, to the point of calling it brainwashing, enough to be warned by the mods. |
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Oct 25, 2012 16:47:02 GMT -5
I've seen stretches before but this is just asinine. There haven't been stretches this big since Brodus Clay wore hot pants. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 17:14:53 GMT -5
To me, no one's saying Ryback isn't over. Just that a lot of his overness is because WWE has done a great job handling him. Now it's up to him, if he's got the goods, we've got a long term main eventer. Many, many wrestlers would kill for that push, especially as a babyface. Usually the squash machines are "calculating, methodical" heels.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Oct 25, 2012 17:19:02 GMT -5
Its not force feeding if he's over. Some people should probably just accept that. |
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Post by BigWill on Oct 25, 2012 17:27:11 GMT -5
To me, no one's saying Ryback isn't over. Just that a lot of his overness is because WWE has done a great job handling him. Now it's up to him, if he's got the goods, we've got a long term main eventer. Many, many wrestlers would kill for that push, especially as a babyface. Usually the squash machines are "calculating, methodical" heels. I don't think it would have worked out as well with a heel. See, faces can get over just by being entertaining in the ring. For a heel to get over they have to either rely on the face they're going up against, or play to the crowd. And since fans aren't going to care about a random jobber, they'd have no reason to boo the heels for constantly beating them. And for playing to the crowd, that would require a different push than the one Ryback got, to work. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Oct 25, 2012 17:36:29 GMT -5
Success in a push is always two-fold. The office's 's tenacity to see it through (or initially see it in the first place if not pre-planned) and the physical charisma of the guy getting the push.
And of course he was force-fed initially. He was presented as being special from the get go, and like a lot of catchphrases, he kept saying it until people picked up on it. It was brainwashing. And I know, people will knee-jerk, and say "no way! Blah, Blah, Blah." But anything repeatedly spoken with intent to influence is. It's like a commercial jingle. They want it to permeate your brain. Almost everything is these days. Our senses are overloaded with corporate interference. And has been for about 60 years or more. Nothing wrong with it. Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, I'm Lovin' it.
Ryback's intention was to be super-over in the shortest time possible. His booking was designed to get him there. And eventually, it worked. And it proved that wins and losses DO matter, no matter what their flawed stance is on that.
HOWEVER... it takes a special sort of charisma to be appealing. and Ryback has that. He has what others given his opportunities don't. You can't identify it or quantify it. You either have it or you don't. Goldberg had it. Silent Rage didn't, lol. And Ryback does. You can't square peg something that don't fit the hype. And with Ryback, they don't have to.
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Post by KobashiChop on Oct 25, 2012 18:11:21 GMT -5
Wow. Youre thinking WAY too hard about this.
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Post by YiHammer on Oct 25, 2012 19:21:42 GMT -5
Oh, I thought this was a joke thread but apparantly it isn't. I don't think it is at all related to what was proposed in the original post. I think maybe it could have something to do with Ryback's real life appetite, but I don't think it's intended to mock fans at all. I think Ryback has been very lucky with how he was pushed. WWE have done a great job pushing him, but he also had that little spark that made it work. It's impossible to say "If done with X it would have worked just as well" but he has had a better push than everyone else listed above. as I recall yimyac has complained about fans being manipulated by WWE, to the point of calling it brainwashing, enough to be warned by the mods. Except that never happened. It's marketing at its best. Give a guy a catchphrase, force feed it via entrance music, repeated sayings, t shirts, etc. Casuals love catchphrases, it gives them something to chant, make signs for etc. it's simple marketing psychology. I guarantee any meathead bodybuilder guy that got the exact same push as Ryback would be just as over. One of the biggest things about Goldberg was "Whose Next" |
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Post by deadstock on Oct 25, 2012 19:40:44 GMT -5
as I recall yimyac has complained about fans being manipulated by WWE, to the point of calling it brainwashing, enough to be warned by the mods. Except that never happened. It's marketing at its best. Give a guy a catchphrase, force feed it via entrance music, repeated sayings, t shirts, etc. Casuals love catchphrases, it gives them something to chant, make signs for etc. it's simple marketing psychology. I guarantee any meathead bodybuilder guy that got the exact same push as Ryback would be just as over. One of the biggest things about Goldberg was "Whose Next" Goldberg had alot of things going for him A catch phrase good look a symbol from his tattoo an a streak Ryback has the same minus a symbol its a proven formula that works. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 19:57:56 GMT -5
Who's this "we"? I'd much rather see Ryback in the main event scene than a lot of the smaller guys on the roster.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 25, 2012 20:13:29 GMT -5
Nothing more complex than a different spin on "Who's Next?"
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