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Post by Stu on Nov 7, 2005 4:32:51 GMT -5
All throughout 2005, WWE has been working on making John Cena its newest poster boy, ala Steve Austin and the Rock. Obviously, that's failed and the majority of the IWC is doing its best at letting the company know. All throughout these discussions, though, I haven't really seen anyone mention who should usurp Cena's position. So basically, I'm wondering who each of you think WWE should really be promoting into the mainstream as the official ambassador of the company?
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Post by EJS on Nov 7, 2005 4:37:05 GMT -5
PAUL LONDON OMG!!
But in all seriousness... Cena like it or not will remain the main face on Raw. I think Batista should be getting more of the "representing the company as a whole" stuff though, personally.
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Post by skyday1402 on Nov 7, 2005 4:40:29 GMT -5
\I think Batista should be getting more of the "representing the company as a whole" stuff though, personally. Agreed. For someone who is getting just as many boos as he is cheers, they are trying to hard with Cena. Batista blows the roof off of any place that he steps into and people buy him as a credible champion.
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Post by miggozero on Nov 7, 2005 4:42:02 GMT -5
I've seen that thing, IWC a lot here...what does it mean?
Internet Wrestling Community?
International Wrestling Comglomorate?
Incoherant Warrior Crackpot?
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Post by skyday1402 on Nov 7, 2005 4:42:56 GMT -5
Ignorant wrestling critics.
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Post by gshman on Nov 7, 2005 4:42:57 GMT -5
PAUL LONDON OMG!! But in all seriousness... Cena like it or not will remain the main face on Raw. I think Batista should be getting more of the "representing the company as a whole" stuff though, personally. I think both Cena and Batista can work their seperate beats as official spokesmen of the E. Cena: Make appearances at big hollywood parties and the like, like when he went to that Hip Hop Honors thing (still surreal to see Snoop giving him props, even if it was likely paid for.) Be very high energy and "street." Batista: More the official spokesman, always going on to talk shows in nice suits (I'd argue that no one on either roster looks nicer in a suit than Big Dave) and just kind of work his natural, down to earth charisma. While Cena is by his very nature is in your face, Batista can be someone that the parents kind of see as a role model (though spinebusting people on steel steps might be hard to sell.)
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Post by RepoMan on Nov 7, 2005 4:43:31 GMT -5
I think there's no better proof than when Cena and Michaels were wrestling on RAW, and the crowd was booing Cena. He's a flavor of the month. He's more ultimate warrior than he is Hulk Hogan (in terms of staying power)
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Post by andrew on Nov 7, 2005 4:45:24 GMT -5
\I think Batista should be getting more of the "representing the company as a whole" stuff though, personally. Agreed. For someone who is getting just as many boos as he is cheers, they are trying to hard with Cena. Batista blows the roof off of any place that he steps into and people buy him as a credible champion. Agree entirely.
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Post by THE Dinobot on Nov 7, 2005 4:45:26 GMT -5
Stephanie SHOULD be the face of the WWE and we ALL know it.
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Post by Stu on Nov 7, 2005 4:47:26 GMT -5
Yeah, Batista would be great as the cool, calm, collective spokesman, as compared to Cena being the blathering idiot who's always spouting off raps about poop. The one thing that I'm surprised hasn't been touched upon yet is the fact Batista is half filipino. Much like Eddy Guerrero and Rey Mysterio have attracted the Latino market, maybe Batista could do the same for the Asian market. The Rock was especially popular among my friends because he's half samoan, which was the closest thing to an Asian world champion since Ricky Steamboat.
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Post by hakushi on Nov 7, 2005 5:05:22 GMT -5
All throughout 2005, WWE has been working on making John Cena its newest poster boy, ala Steve Austin and the Rock. Obviously, that's failed and the majority of the IWC is doing its best at letting the company know Except you know that's not what's really happening with Cena. God you people act like Cena's getting no reactions, and thinking that WWE fans are sheep. that whole elitist IWC crap has to stop. Whether you like it, or you don't like it. Cena is the posterboy for WWE, and WWE hype machine is behind him 100%. The crowd is clamouring for him (this angle fued is doing more for angle at the moment). You people wanted new faces at the top, but you really meant cruiserweights who couldn't draw flies to crap. Oh and Christian is not, has not, or will ever be more over than Cena. I also want to say. Batista is where the WWE should be getting the hype machine behind, he is the most over man in North America right now...but heh, that's my opinion. I think there's no better proof than when Cena and Michaels were wrestling on RAW, and the crowd was booing Cena. He's a flavor of the month. He's more ultimate warrior than he is Hulk Hogan (in terms of staying power) IF Shawn Micheals can get people to boo Hulk Hogan, there is no doubt that Shawn Micheals can get people to boo John Cena. that was just a stupid comment to make. It wasn't as "HUGE OMG THE CROWD HATES CENA" as people would like to think. It's SHAWN F'N MICHEALS! PEOPLE. It's not like Cena was facing off with Johny Parisi, and the crowd were popping their asses off for Parisi. It's shawn micheals, the biggest Face on raw. The biggest star on RAW. And the most popular guy on the RAW roster. Cena did have a backing on RAW, but just not as much as HBK, which is understandable since HBK has always had a strong backing here in SoCali. stupidity is not limited to kids with Belts that spin, and Jeff Hardy shirts.
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Post by gshman on Nov 7, 2005 5:08:05 GMT -5
Batista is where the WWE should be getting the hype machine behind, he is the most over man in North America right now...but heh, that's my opinion. Agreed (obviously, from my previous post.) I'm to the point where I actually mark out when I hear Batista's admitedly generic music (but boy, the opening riff kills.) He comes off as a real threat, where as John Cena FEELS like a hype.
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Post by Triple B on Nov 7, 2005 5:14:49 GMT -5
Batista is definitely the more accepted of the two. But Cena might be more marketable in other media, and that's why WWE will stick with him.
Personally... I think Christian would have been a better poster boy. I think face Christian would have been great. But alas.... so sad....
Angle is a better poster boy too. Him or Val Venis. One of the three.
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Post by gshman on Nov 7, 2005 5:15:52 GMT -5
Yeah, but what man could see themselves buying a Val Venis poster.
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Post by hakushi on Nov 7, 2005 5:16:22 GMT -5
IT's been that way since NYR, when there was dissention between him and H.
Then came the victories over Kane, Benoit, Jericho, Edge, and Orton.
Then came his face turn. Then came that whole time Smackdown and RAW were fighting over him, and what title they wanted to challenge for.
Then came that time he drove that AWESOME mercedes convertable and destroyed JBL's limo.
Then came Wrestlemania, he beat HHH, then backlash, He beat HHH, then Vengeance, he had the match of a lifetime in HIAC vs. HHH.
THen he fueded well not fueded, SQUASHED JBL in their 3 encounters. Ending with an AWESOME bullrope match.
After those 2 fueds with the 2 guys who basically ruled the company in 2004. Along with his whole weird freindship with Eddie, where he's showing that cool personality.
It's just awesome.
Plus i'm straight. But i think he's super hot.
The Ladies love batista, the men think he's a f***ing bad ass, and the kids love a guy who's huge and beats up bad guys.
Batista is awesome.
too bad most of the IWC forgets that, and says "generic big man, with generic moveset. yawn. He's got no future, get him off my tv. Where's those guys 210 lbs and under they should be champ"
OH sorry they're doing backflips in high school gymnasiums
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Post by hakushi on Nov 7, 2005 5:20:00 GMT -5
Yeah, Batista would be great as the cool, calm, collective spokesman, as compared to Cena being the blathering idiot who's always spouting off raps about poop. The one thing that I'm surprised hasn't been touched upon yet is the fact Batista is half filipino. Much like Eddy Guerrero and Rey Mysterio have attracted the Latino market, maybe Batista could do the same for the Asian market. The Rock was especially popular among my friends because he's half samoan, which was the closest thing to an Asian world champion since Ricky Steamboat. Actually it's been making the rounds on Filipino news papers, gMA a filipino channel well located in San Francisco where he's had interviews, and yeah. I'm Filipino too, and I do mark out for him. A lot of Filipina girls also happen to be in love with him, since well he is super hot...eheh. Ricky Steamboat was he really Hawaiin, or is he just Native American? Branching out is awesome. Most people see Batista, and hear the name, automatically think Latino, but he's not. WWE is still trying to market to latinos so they don't touch on that. But the Filipino community does know that Batista is Filipino eheh. Yeah I talk wrestling one time, my uncle goes. Batista, that's the Filipino guy right? hmm. He's the first truly Asian/greek World CHampion in WWE. you'd think they'd touch on that.
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Post by gshman on Nov 7, 2005 5:23:17 GMT -5
Most people see Batista, and hear the name, automatically think Latino, but he's not. WWE is still trying to market to latinos so they don't touch on that. But the Filipino community does know that Batista is Filipino eheh. It is funny you say that, I actually read an essay about how Latinos are protrayed in professional wrestling and about 1/4 of the essay was about Batista. I had never thought to question his race (being an ignorant WASPy cracker, I don't really think about this too much) so I just went with it. Then when I later asked if the Eddie/Batista main event at No Mercy (right?) was the first Latino vs. Latino main event ever on WWE PPV, I got a bunch of blank stares. Not sure where this story was going, but Batista f'n rules.
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Post by jack22 on Nov 7, 2005 5:25:22 GMT -5
Yeah. Here's my two cents.
I don't think the majority of the IWC want WWE to succeed. And I will say I do not thing the majority of people on the wrestelcrap board want WWE to succeed. You see it every week on here and in the chat-rooms a few of us go to. Even before Raw has started everyone is convinced it's going to be bad. Every single segment we get "Well another sucky Raw". After Raw is over there's always at least a handful of people with the oh-so-witty "WORST RAW EVER" posts and threads and opinions.
Now, if it was the worst Raw ever then great, knock yourself out. But it's said every single week without fail for as long as I can remember. Perhaps, just PERHAPS those people should stop watching WWE altogether.
If it's not that it's 10001 anti-McMahon, anti-Cena, anti-anything WWE posts and threads. I'm sorry but if you do not enjoy the product in it's current form then stop watching the f***ing thing.
Cena COULD have been a very good draw for WWE but because this cancer that is the IWC, and I will call it a cancer - it is doubtful and I doubt very much if there will ever be anyone ever again allowed to rise to the heights enjoyed by Hogan or Austin. Not because the real FANS don't like them, but because the IWC who have turned into a pathetic joke of a parody of themselves will not allow it to happen.
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Post by Triple B on Nov 7, 2005 5:31:54 GMT -5
Yeah, but what man could see themselves buying a Val Venis poster. Um... everyone already doesn't have one? (goes to wall to make a change...)
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Post by angryfan on Nov 7, 2005 5:31:58 GMT -5
Personally, I want WWE to be successful, but damn I'd love the company heads to be humbled a bit. It's not the WWE product that pisses me off, some of the wrestlers I'm not a fan of, but they're doing their job how they're told to do it. I have a problem with "we are right, always, period, don't question, just buy" crap coming out of Stamford all the time. Lawsuits so guys you fired because they "didn't have it" couldn't work under names they'd worked under, names that would allow them to make a few hundred extra bucks? Damn, that's just greedy. Like I said, I watch both, the product isn't my favorite right now, because I like actual wrestling matches, not promo/backstage/promo/promo/no-finish match/promo/actual match/promo setups. I don't want them out of business for the same reason I want TNA to be successful, because that gives all fans more options to watch wrestling. OK, I'm done.
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