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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 4, 2005 13:46:18 GMT -5
preaching to the choir buddy. I agree 100%
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2005 13:48:18 GMT -5
Myself I don't consider myself an ECW fan. Never really liked it when it was around, my pal showed me his copy of the ECW documentary and having seen that they were more than hardcore (Which is what I used to think) my opinion has softened, I don't love em or hate them As for Styles, I've not heard him commentating much but I was quite impressed at TT. I thought him and the King complimented each other quite well and he achieved the impossible........He toned down the King's annoyance factor by 75% The 1st time in ages I've enjoyed hearing the King
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Post by skyday1402 on Nov 4, 2005 13:48:58 GMT -5
Joey Styles > Coach 'Nuff Said. Fo shozzle my nozzle.
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Post by jack22 on Nov 4, 2005 13:54:34 GMT -5
Joey Styles > Coach 'Nuff Said. Fo shozzle my nozzle. You bizarre fennel
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Post by regicide on Nov 4, 2005 13:54:48 GMT -5
Joey Styles was great when he was by himself. He treated even the dumbest matches as if they were important (in a toungue in cheek way). Lately in WWE, the commentators spend half the match talking about the main event. Styles would concentrate on the match at hand, make it entertaining if it wasn't, bring up histories, and generally not treat you like an idiot.
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Post by Fireravenv on Nov 4, 2005 13:58:57 GMT -5
What options are there other than Styles? The E doesnt want JR, yes he was great, if not the best. But he's gone now. I think we can all agree Styles & Lawler > Coach & Lawler. Im not saying we have to kiss his ass, but its a lot better than some of the alternatives. Styles knows what hes talking about, and he's passionate. A good mix in my book.
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Post by Vice Squad: Strong Style on Nov 4, 2005 14:03:46 GMT -5
i was all about ECW when it was still around. from about '96 on. styles' falsetto is annoying, but his play by play is top of the line. put a good heel color guy on there... like a lawler, and i think things will be fine. and JR coming back doesn't well seem to be an option.
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Post by darthpipes on Nov 4, 2005 14:06:17 GMT -5
I think Styles is a great announcer. From his energy, to his knowledge of the game and his humor, this guy knows his stuff. I prefer him over Mike Teney and his annoying, non-stop yelling and hyping TNA at every turn.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Nov 4, 2005 14:14:17 GMT -5
I haven't heard much of Joey Styles, but from what I've heard, I've been able to tolerate him. And I'll agree that he's better than Coach as far as PBP goes.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 4, 2005 15:01:53 GMT -5
I suppose they were like me: 13 years old with no access to closed circuit TV broadcast out of Philadelphia and a very limited knowledge of the Internet. That limited my ECW exposure just a little bit.
Styles is a very good commentator. Not the best, but very good. He's willing to simply call a match well, he knows his terminology and holds, and he's also willing to make some smart ass comments now and then. I don't ask for too much more than that.
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Post by Galluchadore on Nov 4, 2005 15:19:18 GMT -5
Style is IMO the only guy that could replace JR without a major backlash. He is know his stuff,hes energetic, and is a fresh face to WWE. I think the backlash now is the way they handled the JR situation instead of letting him go gracefully and handing the reigns over to Styles he was insulted and thrown away like he was just some every day employee. I didn't bother with Taboo tuesday but by most accounts he was very good so my question is did he have good charisma with the King? I thought him and Mick Foley were good together at ONS.
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Post by Frontne on Nov 4, 2005 15:31:23 GMT -5
I suppose they were like me: 13 years old with no access to closed circuit TV broadcast out of Philadelphia and a very limited knowledge of the Internet. That limited my ECW exposure just a little bit. Styles is a very good commentator. Not the best, but very good. He's willing to simply call a match well, he knows his terminology and holds, and he's also willing to make some smart ass comments now and then. I don't ask for too much more than that. You're very right here. I would have certainly watched ECW back in the day, had I not been 13-14 years old when the promotion was at it's strongest. And of cource, that's not the biggest problem. I think you guys need to take into account the international fans as well. Which is better: Never knowing about ECW or learning about it afterwards and enjoying it? I was part of the latter group: There were NO wrestling broadcasts whatsoever here in Finland back when ECW was still around. We only got WWE programming for the first time maybe 4 years ago, and I have a feeling that the Europan fans with the exception of maybe the Brits had absolutely zero chance of following what was going on in a smaller fed like ECW. Nowadays, I absolutely love ECW and feel kind of bad about not being born any earlier. As for the actual matter of hand, I don't think my opinion of Styles is completely credible, as my knowledge of him is limited to the half dozen or so WWE DVD's on my shelf that have ECW matches on them. Regardless, I always found him an interesting personality, who can get me interested in any match. It irritates me too when JR and King spend half the show pimping the main event or, in Lawler's case, some diva swimsuit contest or whatever. It's like they don't even care about half the matches on every card. The constant "Oh my god!" and the high-pitched yelling don't really bother me that much, but I can understand how it could get on people's nerves. Still, I rate him pretty high because of his enthusiasm and his wide knowledge of wrestling. Another big plus is the fact that he doesn't try to cover up for the wrestlers. If someone botches a powerbomb, the move doesn't become a "modified powerbomb" or whatever. He doesn't underestimate the intelligence of the watcher. Then again, it may have something to do with ECW's smaller venues and more rabid crowd, but I've already stated my case. That's my 2 cents. I'm certainly not an expert, but I'm capable of rational evaluation, and I like the guy. So there.
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Post by Tonite is sievetronix's night on Nov 4, 2005 16:24:51 GMT -5
i love styles he complimented ecw perfectly and without him i feel ecw would have been diminished...
he is knowledgeable, witty and gets across everything in the match that he has to....
oh i remebered a similar question asked to lance storm at stormwerstling.com in a q and a so i dug it up
Q: If given the chance, Would the best play by play anouncer in the whole Wrestling world Be at the anouncers desk...No im not talking about good ol JR... infact im talking about OH MY GOD Joey Styles. and in your view who is better JR or Joey Styles A: I think you have an apple and an orange. They are very different yet both tremendous. I don’t think JR could have done what Joey did (call 3 hour live shows alone) yet I don’t think Joey sells emotion quite as well as JR. JR was the best at selling the emotion of an angle, and Joey was the master of knowing when not to talk (not as easy as it sounds) Joey also never screwed up calling a move and gave great credibility to what we did in ECW. For my money you have a home run no matter who is at bat.
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Post by Two-Time Champ Darth Violence on Nov 4, 2005 17:09:26 GMT -5
ECW is sort of the "Pitfall!" of wrestling. It was something new and fresh, and it's influence can't be overstated, but the actual product doesn't stand up all that well over time. (Don't believe me? Go back and play "Pitfall!" or watch some ECW matches. The graphics in "Pitfall" were astounding back then, but now they are primitive. Mike Awesome piledriving Tanaka through a table was shocking back then, but now it's kind of meh.)
As far as Joey goes, it's not that he's so good, but thta he provides a passionate voice, he knows the moves, and he's already loved by the fans. WWE messed up with how they handled the JR situation, and Styles was the one guy that they could hire as an olive branch to the fans.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Nov 4, 2005 17:10:31 GMT -5
I disagree. I watch my old ECW stuff all the time and love it just as much as I did in 96.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 4, 2005 17:31:12 GMT -5
Watching some old ECW stuff, I find that it's a mix. On the Rise and Fall DVD alone, I could sit down and watch Sabu vs. Scorpio anytime and love it, but not everything holds up.
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Post by invaderdave on Nov 4, 2005 17:32:55 GMT -5
Any time you find Tajiri and Super Crazy in the ring together is always good.
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Post by royboy8 on Nov 4, 2005 19:33:59 GMT -5
I disagree...some of the ecw stuff still would be groundbreaking in the current world of wrestling ...just pop in any super crazy vs tajiri match or rvd vs jerry lynn and youll see what great wrestling is all about that is RARELY equaled in the world of wrestling today
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Post by Tonite is sievetronix's night on Nov 4, 2005 22:22:59 GMT -5
psychosis tajiri is always a classic too.... alot of the maches were brawling and i am not a huge brawling fan... hardcore has always but a double edged sword for ecw on one hand hardcore helped it expand and gain a passionate fan base, but at the same time it allowed it to be sterotyped and dismissed by those with no real knowledge of the product. i'm not naming names but yea... anyway
but if the matches wern't always up to snuff and no promotion ever matches are... the angles made up for it. angles that had the big fight atmosphere, they never hotshotted feud unless they had to, and what has been missing from wrestling anywhere since ecw closed down.... HATRED
i mean really when was the last time you believed, or wanted to believe that 2 men hated each other so much that they had to nearly murder each other in a cage or with a dog collar around thier neck or any other way they could to devise to settle it one way or another....
wrestling is missing that now, and wrestling will always be worse of without it...
and within a few months at ovw we are getting it again... or so i hear
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 4, 2005 23:17:20 GMT -5
First, I'd like to establish my credentials as a tried and true ECW nerd. First ECW match I ever saw was Terry Funk vs Shane Douglas in 1993, sometime around The Night The Line Was Crossed (which is a much cooler title than No Mercy, by the by). As I live in suburban Philadelphia, I had the pleasure of watching ECW pretty much from the very start. Thank you Sportschannel, RIP. I think as we get further from ECW's dawn and people jump on the bandwagon, its impact is diminished. If you weren't watching All-Americans vs Foreign Fanatics on Monday nights, and then on Tuesday nights getting Sabu, it's hard to explain. In 1995, you had The Yeti and King Mabel vs Raven and Tha Gangstas. ECW was great, yes. It had many flaws, yes. But what made it important was the garbage WWF and WCW were putting on at the same time. (And yes, both WWF and WCW had many performers that were decidedly great. But both products as a whole were quite lame in the mid 90's).It was the alternative that made you not give up on pro wrestling. The context is vital to understanding the love a true ECW mark feels.
As for Joey, I'm obviously biased. Can he replace Jim Ross? No. Jim Ross is the best ever, in my book. Even better than Gordon. Joey can go way over the top at times. But Joey also has an amazing ability to explain angles to the fans. When they go to cut-aways of the desk after a big angle, Joey Styles will be able to convey to the average fan why what they just watched is important. Knowing the moves is good. But Joey's ability to get the points of the program across are far more valuable than his play by play, which is quite great, I feel.
I didn't see Taboo Tuesday, but before it aired, I opined that if Lawler was able to revert back to the straight heel commentator he was from 95/98, they'd make a great team. I still hold out this hope. Sorry for the tangent.
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