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Post by Snaptastic on Nov 1, 2012 13:46:36 GMT -5
Good luck selling it at that price. You'll have vey few takers. £20 a month? I don't even have to figure the transfer to dollars to realize that few people would actually pay that much money for a SINGLE network. At least with something like HBO, you get a few others as well. That much money for a single network? No chance in hell. Ben was referring to a Netflix style service which I can get behind 100%. But it has to be much cheaper per month (£5-7).
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Post by Lancers on Nov 1, 2012 13:49:03 GMT -5
Only way it works is if you slowly shift your entire PPV schedule over to the WWE Network. I can't imagine this will get a lot of subscribers if it's just WWE 24/7 On Demand with stupid reality shows.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 1, 2012 13:56:58 GMT -5
I'm glad they are going through with it and hopefully it'll be on DISH. There is no way in hell I could subscribe to an internet only thing as I just don't have the connection for it and there is a good chunk of the country that doesn't.
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Post by deadstock on Nov 1, 2012 14:10:21 GMT -5
Here is what im seeing as the most profitable.
A subscription service that provides all PPV an WWE programing A subscription plus service that allows access to classic PPV & Tv shows such as Velocity heat old raw smackdowns even confidential.
WWE - New programing WWE Plus - New an old programing.
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Post by Sparvid on Nov 1, 2012 20:56:32 GMT -5
So the only thing they need to do for the Network to succeed is "just" to get three times as many people who follow the free Raw every week to pay for it?
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 1, 2012 21:05:45 GMT -5
If nothing else, you got to admire the WWE's tenacity for trying to make the network happen, no matter what. Many of the stockholders disagree. This, unlike anything else in years, has the potential to actually bankrupt the company. I'm talking tens of millions in lost revenue. Maybe hundreds. Look at Oprah. It's a scary gamble.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 1, 2012 21:49:15 GMT -5
/\ that's what I'm concerned about. this could kill the company. it isn't the late 90s and Vince isnt the toast of the entertainment world anymore. the XFL flopped when Vince was on top, what the hell makes him think people will pay for this now?
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Nov 1, 2012 22:03:01 GMT -5
If nothing else, you got to admire the WWE's tenacity for trying to make the network happen, no matter what. Many of the stockholders disagree. This, unlike anything else in years, has the potential to actually bankrupt the company. I'm talking tens of millions in lost revenue. Maybe hundreds. Look at Oprah. It's a scary gamble. It's okay, if WWE ever went bankrupt, Disney would just buy it. They seemingly have every other cultural-intellectual property right now.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 1, 2012 22:14:20 GMT -5
/\ that's what I'm concerned about. this could kill the company. it isn't the late 90s and Vince isnt the toast of the entertainment world anymore. the XFL flopped when Vince was on top, what the hell makes him think people will pay for this now? It will most likely kill their stock first and foremost, forcing a panicked McMahon buy-back to become private again. The stock has suffered since Vince announced the Network last year and has never really rebounded. There is not much faith in the success of a network launch for ANYBODY these days, let alone a company that, while rich and profitable, has nowhere near the money people like Oprah and others have invested --and lost-- on these types of ventures. The idea seems plausible on paper, but the economy and interest-level needed to make this even profitable is NOT there. It's a very scary prospect if you're a WWE fan. Besides, their research is absurd. I've been a stockholder for years, and everyone know that they (WWE) actually have maybe a legit fanbase of around 5 million, give or take. And if you take the monday night wars into to consideration for logistical purposes, that's another 3-4 million "lapsed" fans. So, in total, that's maybe a potential 9 million fan consumer base. With maybe an extra 500,000 to a million in curious casuals (based on 'Mania spikes, and occasional channel flippers). Hardly the 60 whatever million they laughably suggested. Hell, NFL and Baseball combined doesn't even have that collective fanbase.
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Post by Lancers on Nov 1, 2012 22:23:24 GMT -5
Wait. They think they could get 60 million people to subscribe to their channel? I don't even think putting their Divas in softcore programming late night where the girls pretend they're having sex with a guy by hopping on a guy's stomach for two minutes will net 60 million subscribers. Although I'm still all for the groundbreaking original series "Diva Erotic Adventures on Sex Peninsula". The peninsula is a double entendre.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Nov 1, 2012 22:37:32 GMT -5
Wait. They think they could get 60 million people to subscribe to their channel? I don't even think putting their Divas in softcore programming late night where the girls pretend they're having sex with a guy by hopping on a guy's stomach for two minutes will net 60 million subscribers. Although I'm still all for the groundbreaking original series "Diva Erotic Adventures on Sex Peninsula". The peninsula is a double entendre. Buff Bagwell's mom is calling their offices right now trying to get her son a job. Unfortunately, since it's softcore, he still won't get to wear a hat.
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 1, 2012 22:39:13 GMT -5
Only way it works is if you slowly shift your entire PPV schedule over to the WWE Network. I can't imagine this will get a lot of subscribers if it's just WWE 24/7 On Demand with stupid reality shows. where's the joke? This is a Lancers post and I can't find the joke! help!
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Nov 1, 2012 22:44:47 GMT -5
The joke is "the WWE Network."
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Nov 1, 2012 22:48:29 GMT -5
So the only thing they need to do for the Network to succeed is "just" to get three times as many people who follow the free Raw every week to pay for it? There's alot more WWE fans than just the ones in America with Neilsen boxes or whatever they're called.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 1, 2012 23:01:17 GMT -5
So the only thing they need to do for the Network to succeed is "just" to get three times as many people who follow the free Raw every week to pay for it? There's alot more WWE fans than just the ones in America with Neilsen boxes or whatever they're called. Too bad they won't be getting the Network or count to the survey that is being talked about.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Nov 1, 2012 23:02:28 GMT -5
There's alot more WWE fans than just the ones in America with Neilsen boxes or whatever they're called. Too bad they won't be getting the Network or count to the survey that is being talked about. That's a bloody good point that didn't click with me before for whatever reason. I'll blame the fact it's 4am.. yeah, let's go with that. ;D
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Post by Sc on Nov 1, 2012 23:05:50 GMT -5
/\ that's what I'm concerned about. this could kill the company. it isn't the late 90s and Vince isnt the toast of the entertainment world anymore. the XFL flopped when Vince was on top, what the hell makes him think people will pay for this now? It will most likely kill their stock first and foremost, forcing a panicked McMahon buy-back to become private again. The stock has suffered since Vince announced the Network last year and has never really rebounded. There is not much faith in the success of a network launch for ANYBODY these days, let alone a company that, while rich and profitable, has nowhere near the money people like Oprah and others have invested --and lost-- on these types of ventures. The idea seems plausible on paper, but the economy and interest-level needed to make this even profitable is NOT there. It's a very scary prospect if you're a WWE fan. Besides, their research is absurd. I've been a stockholder for years, and everyone know that they (WWE) actually have maybe a legit fanbase of around 5 million, give or take. And if you take the monday night wars into to consideration for logistical purposes, that's another 3-4 million "lapsed" fans. So, in total, that's maybe a potential 9 million fan consumer base. With maybe an extra 500,000 to a million in curious casuals (based on 'Mania spikes, and occasional channel flippers). Hardly the 60 whatever million they laughably suggested. Hell, NFL and Baseball combined doesn't even have that collective fanbase. This is why I was shocked to see their stock increase today. I'm surprised people didn't take one look at their research and sell their stock thinking 'the people running WWE are out of their f***ing minds.' Of course I don't know how stock works anyway. They say they have 10 or 25 million passionate fans but only get about 4 million viewers for Raw yet they expect 12 million hardcore fans to PAY for a WWE channel. I would say they only have 150,000 passionate fans based on their PPV buys.
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Post by J.O.B. Squad on Nov 2, 2012 0:57:51 GMT -5
Yeah I pass on this,I won't be getting it.
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Post by frankincleveland on Nov 2, 2012 1:58:39 GMT -5
What? But WWE told me that they have more Facebook fans than MLB and Coke and Google, so the clearly MUST be more beloved and successful than those organizations, right? Right?
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Post by jimmyjames on Nov 2, 2012 2:07:58 GMT -5
If they even think about shifting PPVs to WWE network, the cable companies would drop them in a sec, because that's were they really make there money. They can't move Raw or Smackdown, because there goes their main cash cow. It's obvious that cable/satellites companies weren't willing to pay for this, because there was absolutely no interest or Vince was asking to much money, and I'm willng to bet it was the former.
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