HBL
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Post by HBL on Nov 2, 2012 15:45:56 GMT -5
You know what I love? People who complain about people complaining in a thread that was designed to complain about the product. But no...let's not do that. WWE is doing everything right. Let's not have any armchair production going on here, even if we attempt to make valid arguments for why we would release so and so. Apparently having a vicarious form of power in a management position is a negative thing and we shouldn't express any criticism, even if it in no way will effect what WWE does. Shame on us. So much this.
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Jeremy
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Post by Jeremy on Nov 2, 2012 15:47:25 GMT -5
I still think they should clean out under the ring. It has a lot of odd things under there.
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PKO
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Post by PKO on Nov 2, 2012 16:01:43 GMT -5
If Vince McMahon for some reason asked me for a list of people who would immediately be fired, it would be a very short list. Almost every single person on the roster has a place on the roster, in my opinion. There is a lot of talent being squandered, and even the less talented guys/girls could be used to their benefit as enhancement talent, bodyguards, valets and in other on-air positions. Even most of the people I don't care for I wouldn't get rid of because they could still be used to WWE's benefit:
*Big Show should finish this run by putting over new talent. *Hornswoggle is still beloved by kids and could be used on Saturday Morning Slam *David Otunga makes a good heel for midcard faces to beat up *Alberto Del Rio will be a good heel for faces to beat to get to the "next level"
The sole person who I'd fire would be Rosa Mendes who brings absolutely nothing to the table. Absymal in the ring and will never get better, so can't be used as enhancement talent. Good looking but so are all the divas. Not awful as a valet but pretty superfluous; Primo and Epico don't need her and she adds very little.
Everyone else has a use but Rosa Mendes.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Nov 2, 2012 16:02:20 GMT -5
You know what I love? People who complain about people complaining in a thread that was designed to complain about the product. But no...let's not do that. WWE is doing everything right. Let's not have any armchair production going on here, even if we attempt to make valid arguments for why we would release so and so. Apparently having a vicarious form of power in a management position is a negative thing and we shouldn't express any criticism, even if it in no way will effect what WWE does. Shame on us. You say you love it, but you look pretty upset by it. And I really don't think there's actually a valid argument for releasing half the roster.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 2, 2012 16:09:57 GMT -5
I don't even know why firing Miz would even be considered. Screw his win loss record. The PR work alone he does is worth it. Lots of guys do good PR work for the company. And guys can be brought up to do that. With Miz, a lot of it probably has to do with the way he's used. As an on air talent, the wind has been taken out of him dramatically, and I look back to when I was a kid, a former WWE Champion usually was some sort of threat or was booked pretty strongly, even after not being Champion anymore. He's at least kept in a prominent role on TV. Say what you will about Daniel Bryan's reign, but he's still very prominent on TV, wrestlers regularly, and has a pretty good record. Kane is another good example of a guy who could be beat, but he was generally kept strong. They actually make a great team because they're both in that upper midcard level. I look at guys like Jack Swagger and the Miz, and I feel it's a complete disservice to the titles to be booking them in such a manner where they're both just fodder and pretty much losers. Guys can be slowly built back up, but I feel if that's the direction they're going to keep going, why not get rid of them? Same goes with Natalya. I feel that her value has dropped that releasing her and bringing her back in 6 months to a year would help her out a lot, and the same could go with Swagger and Miz. As for the challenge of finding something to do with those who I would want to be released, I could certainly try and do that, that would be a fun little challenge.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 2, 2012 16:10:46 GMT -5
You know what I love? People who complain about people complaining in a thread that was designed to complain about the product. But no...let's not do that. WWE is doing everything right. Let's not have any armchair production going on here, even if we attempt to make valid arguments for why we would release so and so. Apparently having a vicarious form of power in a management position is a negative thing and we shouldn't express any criticism, even if it in no way will effect what WWE does. Shame on us. I been here long enough to see people doing threads on when WWE going to spring clean at least once a week. I read when the very same people who called for someone's head suddenly become that person's biggest supporter. No one is saying WWE is perfect. I'm saying folks love Future Endeavored Day way too much.
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mizerable
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You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 2, 2012 16:37:21 GMT -5
You say you love it, but you look pretty upset by it. And I really don't think there's actually a valid argument for releasing half the roster. It was written in the same sarcastic form as the other people in this thread. And I don't see anyone on here writing about releasing half the roster...unless it was a joke post. Maybe you didn't get that either. I been here long enough to see people doing threads on when WWE going to spring clean at least once a week. I read when the very same people who called for someone's head suddenly become that person's biggest supporter. No one is saying WWE is perfect. I'm saying folks love Future Endeavored Day way too much. Well I can't speak for everyone, but in my case if that was true, I would have released people I don't care to watch at all like Miz and Sheamus. But I didn't. I looked at things from a standpoint of what's in the best interest of the company or what I believe their best interest to be. That's entirely opinion. If you disagree with what I said about who I would release, form a rebuttal and respond back. If there's anything I'm sick of is blanket statements about people who have are simply out to have their own agenda...and honestly in this thread, there isn't as much of that going on. In fact, most people have responded in intelligent form.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 2, 2012 16:44:20 GMT -5
Why give a rebuttal if you already got your mind set on who you will fired? If someone hates Sheamus or Randy Orton, me giving reasons why you shouldn't isn't going to change your views. You can make the list all you want. Doesn't bother me the slightest. I will keep saying people like Black Friday for their various reasons because old threads on this forums back up my statement.
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bob
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Post by bob on Nov 2, 2012 16:47:42 GMT -5
Hornswoggle, Khali, Ezekiel Jackson, Mason Ryan, Randy Orton, Del Rio
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mizerable
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You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 2, 2012 16:49:13 GMT -5
Why give a rebuttal if you already got your mind set on who you will fired? If someone hates Sheamus or Randy Orton, me giving reasons why you shouldn't isn't going to change your views. You can make the list all you want. Doesn't bother me the slightest. I will keep saying people like Black Friday for their various reasons because old threads on this forums back up my statement. Did you not just read what I wrote? I just stated that I didn't even list people I hated, I listed people who I don't see money in. That's the point of this whole thing. We're playing CEO. And if it bothers you so much, then why do you even respond, especially if it's as rampant as it is? Hell, there's threads that pop up every week like the Friday thread that I avoid. I f***ing hate it, but not enough to waste my time with it.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 2, 2012 16:54:33 GMT -5
Why give a rebuttal if you already got your mind set on who you will fired? If someone hates Sheamus or Randy Orton, me giving reasons why you shouldn't isn't going to change your views. You can make the list all you want. Doesn't bother me the slightest. I will keep saying people like Black Friday for their various reasons because old threads on this forums back up my statement. Did you not just read what I wrote? I just stated that I didn't even list people I hated, I listed people who I don't see money in. That's the point of this whole thing. We're playing CEO. And if it bothers you so much, then why do you even respond, especially if it's as rampant as it is? Hell, there's threads that pop up every week like the Friday thread that I avoid. I f***ing hate it, but not enough to waste my time with it. Doesn't bother me the lest. I try to avoid internet fights because nothing is gained from them. Keep doing your thing, I'll keep doing mine. Life's too short to get into online pissing contests. And I'm curious on the Friday thread you hate. Which one is it?
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mizerable
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You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 2, 2012 17:05:06 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me the lest. I try to avoid internet fights because nothing is gained from them. Keep doing your thing, I'll keep doing mine. Life's too short to get into online pissing contests. And I'm curious on the Friday thread you hate. Which one is it? Dude, you say that, but it really is starting shit with someone when you try to nullify their opinion. I didn't originally post with any form of agenda other than to simply cut people I didn't see any long term value with...the way a real company would work. It doesn't mean anything...it's just hypothetical. Then a few people come along and make statements that talk down to the people who have responded like we're a bunch of trolls or something, that pisses me off. If you have a problem with a particular post or two, call those people out...don't make a general comment about everything...that's just not cool at all. Also..the Friday thread is about the day it was posted, followed up with that Rebecca Black video...made with the means of attracting negative attention and devoid of any intelligent thought or debate. I could say the same about a certain popular meme from 6 months ago, that thread wouldn't die at all. But why post there? I'd only be adding fuel to the fire.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 2, 2012 17:09:47 GMT -5
I'm too old to call people out. Besides that leads to warnings and bans.
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mizerable
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You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 2, 2012 17:17:38 GMT -5
I'm too old to call people out. Besides that leads to warnings and bans. Not if it's well thought out and doesn't result in name calling. There's no rule against pointing things out.
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nisidhe
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 2, 2012 17:20:28 GMT -5
Folks, it's a thought exercise - for the vast majority of us, I think, it's nothing more. I'm not looking to fire half the roster in my exercise. Just six on-air performers who cannot make me care, aren't going anywhere and would not necessarily be missed if they were released. Heck, in at least one case WWE may well breathe a sigh of relief.
I have, however, a _serious_ problem with the ways in which some of my second tier of potential releases are being used, and wonder if this can't be fixed in a different promotion or a retooling of their gimmicks. The Divas are so much better on paper now than they've been in years, but they're being almost erased - there are some deep-seated reasons for this which must be corrected for the good of women's wrestling in general.
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kidglov3s
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Post by kidglov3s on Nov 2, 2012 17:25:34 GMT -5
I hate to say it, because I value family as much as the next poster, but I'd give a long look at letting go of Juan Cena. He worked a few house shows two years ago, now just stays at home eating cheetos sitting on his couch as the money rolls in.
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Post by norsisclouds on Nov 2, 2012 17:49:39 GMT -5
Released Kofi Kingston - I can not stand him. He'll never amount to more than a mid-carder and really, he should be lower than that. No personality, crap mic skills, sloppy in the ring, boring, weak moveset. I'd cut my losses and get shot of him. R-Truth - Lost everything he had as a heel. Time to cut losses The Great Khali - Worthless Hornswoggle - Even more worthless Michael McGillicutty - Okay wrestler but he's just so bland Every diva - I'd just get rid of the whole division Teddy Long - What purpose does he serve? I'd also depush Alberto to the midcard and Big Show would become a jobber to the stars with Wade Barrett and Daniel Bryan been pushed as their replacements in the main event. I'd also bring a few guys up from NXT/FCW The Ascension - Would be the cornerstone of the tag division Bray Wyatt - Would recieve a mega push out of the gate building up to a feud with 'Taker at 'Mania. Brody Lee or whatever his NXT name is - Would be a member of Bray's stable Kassius Ohno - Would change his name to Kassius Hero and have him as an attack dog for Bray Wyatt Trevor Murdoch - Would be resigned and put as another member of Bray Wyatt's stable You read my mind.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 2, 2012 18:46:16 GMT -5
I could probably make decent use of everyone on the roster, but Del Rio is dead in the water. He's got no chance. I'd cut him loose, his cost vs. gain must be dumb.
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mrrotten
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Post by mrrotten on Nov 2, 2012 20:06:29 GMT -5
Forget spring cleaning. Tell the Creative Team to do better with the guys they don't do anything with, or they get future endeavored.
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mizerable
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You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 2, 2012 20:12:57 GMT -5
Forget spring cleaning. Tell the Creative Team to do better with the guys they don't do anything with, or they get future endeavored. To be fair, I doubt it always comes down to creative. For example, it seems like they tried absolutely everything to get Jack Swagger over.
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